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Lehigh & New England covered hopper question

Brian LaManna
 

Hello List,

A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England.  I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones.  Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies?  I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars.  

While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones?  Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars.

I should really splurge for an ORER, huh?  

Thanks for any and all assistance!

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Brian Carlson
 

It's important to note that some railroads never added the 2nd grab. I have a photos of CGW 1923 ARA cars that show no second grabs in the 50s. When building my model I had to fill in the upper mounting holes on the red caboose model. I'm not sure how many railroads didn't comply. I think I've seen some Canadian cars with only one grab too. 
Brian Carlson 


On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, guycwilber@... wrote:

 

Lester asked about the requirement for the additional grab iron on the left side of cars.  The information is in the archives; messages 60307, 88153 and probably several others.
 
From the Interchange rules:
 
Rule 3, Section (s) Note (2) Safety Appliances: Additional grab iron on
side of car at end opposite side ladder, in accordance with A.R.A. Standard
location, required on all house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars
built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933. From owners.

Note. -- it is recommended that when house cars, hopper cars and high side
gondola cars built new or rebuilt prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class I
general repairs, additional grab irons as specified above be applied.
 
Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

 


Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Eric Lombard
 

According to the booklet: "United States Safety Appliances for All Classes of Cars and Locomotives Revised to August 1, 1945" the second grab was adopted as Standard by the Mechanical Division, American Railway Association in 1932.

Eric Lombard

Professor Emeritus
Organismal Biology, University of Chicago
Research Associate, Field Museum of Natural History
708-720-0566 
Mail to:
Geology Department
Field Museum of Natural History
1400 S. Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, IL 60605-2496


On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM, <frograbbit602@...> wrote:
 

I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides.  Need the year.  Thanks in advance.

Lester Breuer



Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Guy Wilber
 

Lester asked about the requirement for the additional grab iron on the left side of cars.  The information is in the archives; messages 60307, 88153 and probably several others.
 
From the Interchange rules:
 
Rule 3, Section (s) Note (2) Safety Appliances: Additional grab iron on
side of car at end opposite side ladder, in accordance with A.R.A. Standard
location, required on all house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars
built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933. From owners.

Note. -- it is recommended that when house cars, hopper cars and high side
gondola cars built new or rebuilt prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class I
general repairs, additional grab irons as specified above be applied.
 
Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

 


Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


1930 or later
1932 or earlier
 
Maybe someone can get it closer. Not many cars built those years.
 
Eric
 
 


 

I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides.  Need the year.  Thanks in advance.

Lester Breuer
 
.


Second grab iron on car sides

frograbbit602
 

I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides.  Need the year.  Thanks in advance.

Lester Breuer


Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

Rich C
 

And also the IM kit version has 135 lines of assembly instruction! But a beautiful kit, I bought 3 of them cheap on eBay.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
 

Ed, I thought the consensus was that the Kato models were more like
the GATC clones than actual ACF cars. Several builders built nearly
identical 1958 cft cars.

Tim O'Connor

The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: ex-PRR X41a

Rich C
 

Tim, According to my Excel file on Sunshine availability, the X41's are still listed as available, but my file only goes to July 2013. That type of end door needs to be scratched. Have not seen any "modernized" end doors.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:49 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
 
Although this photo postdates the end of time (12/31/1960)
I thought it might be interesting as a reference to anyone
building the Sunshine kit. Only the end-door has been changed
to protect the innocent.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321290328634

Tim O'




ex-PRR X41a

Tim O'Connor
 

Although this photo postdates the end of time (12/31/1960)
I thought it might be interesting as a reference to anyone
building the Sunshine kit. Only the end-door has been changed
to protect the innocent.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321290328634

Tim O'


Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed, I thought the consensus was that the Kato models were more like
the GATC clones than actual ACF cars. Several builders built nearly
identical 1958 cft cars.

Tim O'Connor




The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

steel77086@...
 

Ed,
 
Thanks for the info.
 
Vince Altiere
 

In a message dated 1/11/2014 12:46:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hawk0621@... writes:

On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:08 AM, wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if the 1958 2 bay covered hoppers are/were
> originally the ones produced by KATO ??? Thanks in advance for the
> help.
>
>
Vince,
The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design,
but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among
other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model,
whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences
with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:08 AM, <steel77086@aol.com> wrote:

Can anyone tell me if the 1958 2 bay covered hoppers are/were originally the ones produced by KATO ??? Thanks in advance for the help.

Vince,
The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

steel77086@...
 

To the Goup:


Can anyone tell me if the 1958 2 bay covered hoppers are/were originally the ones produced by KATO ??? Thanks in advance for the help.


Vince Altiere


New Rapido Reefers

Bill McCoy
 

Is the Swift 2700 seris reefer they offer correct? Based on past BLBP experience with Bill it is but I want to be sure.
Thanks,

Bill McCoy
Strasburg, PA


Re: Rapido Reefers

Bill Schneider
 

Well, before the conspiracy theories start. .We had nothing to do with JFK,
Elvis does not work for Rapido, and we did indeed receive the reefers.
Really.



http://www.rapidotrains.com/rapidonewscurrent.html#anchor5



Of course, it took an extra couple of days to get them out of the warehouse
because the cold delayed the shipping company. Right. It was too cold in
Canada. Who'd believe that one? No, really, it was! They are now on the way
to the distributors, they should hit stores shortly. We did swipe a few off
the top to send down for door prizes. Given the... ummmm... history of this
car at Cocoa it was the least that we could do!



Unfortunately, family obligations meant that I couldn't make Cocoa this
year, but I am there in spirit anyway (and singing along Doug).



Enjoy Roberto's everyone.



Bill Schneider

Rapido Trains



PS - I was a little concerned to hear Andy say that he didn't need any meat
reefer kits since we made the entire run just for him and at his
insistence... ;>)







From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Douglas Harding
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:37 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rapido Reefers





Andy thanks for the update on the reefers. After debuting them in my clinic
three years ago at Cocoa Beach, at Bill's request, I was beginning to wonder
if they were indeed fictitious. But if they are really there, perhaps I can
once again show my face at Cocoa Beach. Curious that Bill didn't attend.
Can't he face the music on this one?



I knew Bill was advocating for some kits. They may indeed be a rarity.
Snatch it, if you can.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Rapido Reefers

Douglas Harding
 

Andy thanks for the update on the reefers. After debuting them in my clinic three years ago at Cocoa Beach, at Bill’s request, I was beginning to wonder if they were indeed fictitious. But if they are really there, perhaps I can once again show my face at Cocoa Beach. Curious that Bill didn’t attend. Can’t he face the music on this one?

 

I knew Bill was advocating for some kits. They may indeed be a rarity. Snatch it, if you can.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Archer hinges

Don Burn
 

I've wondered about whether they could do small nut bolt washers, in sizes
smaller than we currently have.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:58 PM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Archer hinges


I just got an Archer email for their new "piano hinges". It make me think.
Could different styles of refrigerator door hinges, door latches, straps of
various kinds, be made with this technology? How far beyond weld seams and
rivet seams can it go?

Tim O'



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Re: Archer hinges

Chad Boas
 

How about Trust and Builders Plates.

Chad Boas


Rapido Reefers

Andy Harman
 

Neither Jason nor Bill made it down to Cocoa Beach but... three reefers appeared on the table today, I understand to become door prizes.

ONE OF THEM IS A KIT!!!!!

This is, to my knowledge, the first KIT of any kind from Rapido. Let's hope there will be more in the future. <cough>passenger cars<cough>. While I really don't need any wood meat reefers, I hope I win the kit as a door prize just to own a first edition.

There really is a Santa Claus, he's out lounging on the beach...

Andy


Re: Cocoa Beach Hilton

Andy Harman
 

Apparently the Cocoa Beach Hilton - and according to staff - ALL Hiltons are equipped with the World's Dumbest Clock. Mine was 45 minutes slow, not all that unusual. I went to reset it and....

.... no way to set the time! I called the front desk and they said they could send up an "engineer" to fix it for me. I declined the intrusion (memories of the engineer and his assistant arriving in Groucho's stateroom), and googled... lo and behold, found a youtube video on how to set the time on a stupid Hilton clock.

Screw around the back of the top flange - remove it, pop the top off - where the dumb buttons to select "pop" "country" etc are - and underneath are the time set buttons.

Someone really went to a lot of trouble to think up this thing. Someone I hope now fired. But in the future, I know how to fix it...

Andy

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