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Re: New York Central USRA 50-ton gondola paint color

Charles Hladik
 

Eric,
    When you figure it out let me know. I'm still convinced that in 48 the panel side hoppers were still black, at least mine is.
Chuck Hladik
 

In a message dated 1/14/2014 11:28:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eric@... writes:
 

Thanks Chuck, I have noted that info, which has spurred my question on this model. If black is proper for NYC gondolas before 1941, then why has Intermountain done a few runs of these models with as-built lettering and brown/red paint? Is there something specific to the paint for this car design? Or has Intermountain chosen to paint these in the wrong color (a few times) for the as-built versions? 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Cocoa 2014

Tony Thompson
 

Jared Harper wrote:

From all the posts regarding "hijacking" presentations at Cocoa 2014 I get the idea that there must have been a lot of that or a particularly irritating individual.  I wasn't at Cocoa this year, but have been to and have presented at a number of them.  I have never had anyone behave badly in any of my presentations.  I do not mind questions at any point if a member of the audience does not understand some point or if they have something pertinent to say.

       I'm not sure where all the "hijacking" talk comes from. I did not see it in any session I was in, nor did I hear about it while I was there. It's certainly offensive when it happens, but with experience as a speaker, it can be dealt with. BTW, Jared, we missed you this year.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Cocoa 2014

Jared Harper
 

From all the posts regarding "hijacking" presentations at Cocoa 2014 I get the idea that there must have been a lot of that or a particularly irritating individual.  I wasn't at Cocoa this year, but have been to and have presented at a number of them.  I have never had anyone behave badly in any of my presentations.  I do not mind questions at any point if a member of the audience does not understand some point or if they have something pertinent to say.

Hope to be at Cocoa next year.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: My CCB experience

Jared Harper
 

I'll second that! 8>)

Jared Harper
Athens, GA




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I talk about stuff no one else is interested in...LOL!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Cocoa Beach Photos Posted

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

     I have been negligent in thanking Dave for his efforts in the past.
     Even when I do attend the meets I now take less photos as I know
     Dave has me covered.  Thanks Dave.

     Many, many fine models in this meet.  I should nort miss this in the future.

     Bill Pardie

On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:34 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:

 

Thanks Dave, They are excellent photos.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM, <dhussey@...> wrote:
 

I have uploaded my Cocoa Beach 2014 Photos at:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/cocoa2014&page=all

Dave Hussey





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Re: Cocoa Beach Photos Posted

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Dave, They are excellent photos.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM, <dhussey@...> wrote:
 

I have uploaded my Cocoa Beach 2014 Photos at:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/cocoa2014&page=all

Dave Hussey




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Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: My CCB experience

gary laakso
 

I really enjoyed Andy’s clinic and one of the highlights was his having a sample of his whole body splicing so that we could compare it to his current window area splicing.  The in-progress work photos made the description of the work done very easy to visualize.   We also could enjoy the detailed plans that the good folks at the Coach Yard had provided.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] My CCB experience
 
 

I don't attend a lot of clinics, an in fact at any given RPM meet the
number of clinics I will attend besides my own (if I'm giving one) is
between zero and one. I prefer to just hang out in the model room, unless
a particular clinic is something I'm really interested in. This year at
CCB I went to Tom Madden's 3D printing clinic, a subject I am very much
interested in and Tom is an excellent presenter, and in fact I even
requested my own clinic be moved so I could attend Tom's.

I generally don't mind questions in the middle of the clinic, as long as it
is something relevant to that point in the clinic. In other words, if I'm
talking about trucks, that's a good time to ask about trucks, not about
decals. I've had the occasional correction issued from the gallery, which
I really don't mind because - as I always explain in my clinics - I do the
clinics to increase my OWN knowledge of the subject. If anybody else
benefits, great.

Doing a clinic causes me to focus on one particular subject, gather my
source materials together, put down concrete answers to questions I may
have been only guessing at or going by consensus, as well as document my
process if it's a model build. By simply explaining the process and
photographing it, I become aware of what I'm doing and can discover better
ways or short cuts.

I've occasionally had a method challenged - and based on the topic of my
most recent clinic you can probably guess what parts of it were challenged,
but they're off topic for this list. A factual correction is always
welcome. In terms of modeling methods and techniques, if I'm advocating a
particular technique it's because I've either been doing it for 40 years,
or else I've tried everything else and settled on this one. I have my
preferences when it comes to materials and chemicals... I prefer to work
with styrene, resin, metal, or wood in that order.

I'd consider it rude if I'm doing a clinic on kitbashing or scratch
building a particular model if somebody pops up and says "Why didn't you
just buy the brass one?" or "such-and-such is close enough for me". In
that case, the person has no business in my clinic anyway. This is all
pretty rare. I'm not a regular public speaker by any means, but I've never
been shy about it. I don't care about my images as "the expert" and in
fact almost every clinic I've given, I can spot one or more people in the
room who know more about the subject than I do. Or at least some aspect of
it.

The very first clinic I ever attempted to give, I started with an audience
of four. The minute I opened my mouth, three of them walked away. After
talking for about 90 seconds, the remaining guy said "I just wanna know how
to put Kadee couplers on 'em". Which is why I never did another clinic
until I was invited to do one at a real RPM meet. A very different experience.

To sum it up, the whole clinic experience for me, as a presenter, is to
expand and solidify my knowledge, hone my skills at model building, try new
techniques - and share both the failures and the successes, and walk away
with renewed motivation. It has always worked for me.

Andy




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Re: AC&F Type 27

Tony Thompson
 

For you tank car experts, does "Type 27" refer to the design of the car, or just the underframe?

    Underframe only. The buyer had many options in specifying the tank.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: My CCB experience

Andy Harman
 

I don't attend a lot of clinics, an in fact at any given RPM meet the number of clinics I will attend besides my own (if I'm giving one) is between zero and one. I prefer to just hang out in the model room, unless a particular clinic is something I'm really interested in. This year at CCB I went to Tom Madden's 3D printing clinic, a subject I am very much interested in and Tom is an excellent presenter, and in fact I even requested my own clinic be moved so I could attend Tom's.

I generally don't mind questions in the middle of the clinic, as long as it is something relevant to that point in the clinic. In other words, if I'm talking about trucks, that's a good time to ask about trucks, not about decals. I've had the occasional correction issued from the gallery, which I really don't mind because - as I always explain in my clinics - I do the clinics to increase my OWN knowledge of the subject. If anybody else benefits, great.

Doing a clinic causes me to focus on one particular subject, gather my source materials together, put down concrete answers to questions I may have been only guessing at or going by consensus, as well as document my process if it's a model build. By simply explaining the process and photographing it, I become aware of what I'm doing and can discover better ways or short cuts.

I've occasionally had a method challenged - and based on the topic of my most recent clinic you can probably guess what parts of it were challenged, but they're off topic for this list. A factual correction is always welcome. In terms of modeling methods and techniques, if I'm advocating a particular technique it's because I've either been doing it for 40 years, or else I've tried everything else and settled on this one. I have my preferences when it comes to materials and chemicals... I prefer to work with styrene, resin, metal, or wood in that order.

I'd consider it rude if I'm doing a clinic on kitbashing or scratch building a particular model if somebody pops up and says "Why didn't you just buy the brass one?" or "such-and-such is close enough for me". In that case, the person has no business in my clinic anyway. This is all pretty rare. I'm not a regular public speaker by any means, but I've never been shy about it. I don't care about my images as "the expert" and in fact almost every clinic I've given, I can spot one or more people in the room who know more about the subject than I do. Or at least some aspect of it.

The very first clinic I ever attempted to give, I started with an audience of four. The minute I opened my mouth, three of them walked away. After talking for about 90 seconds, the remaining guy said "I just wanna know how to put Kadee couplers on 'em". Which is why I never did another clinic until I was invited to do one at a real RPM meet. A very different experience.

To sum it up, the whole clinic experience for me, as a presenter, is to expand and solidify my knowledge, hone my skills at model building, try new techniques - and share both the failures and the successes, and walk away with renewed motivation. It has always worked for me.

Andy


AC&F Type 27

ottokroutil
 

For you tank car experts, does "Type 27" refer to the design of the car, or just the underframe?

Thanks, Otto K.


Cocoa Beach Photos Posted

dh30973
 

I have uploaded my Cocoa Beach 2014 Photos at:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/cocoa2014&page=all

Dave Hussey


Re: New York Central USRA 50-ton gondola paint color

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks Chuck, I have noted that info, which has spurred my question on this model. If black is proper for NYC gondolas before 1941, then why has Intermountain done a few runs of these models with as-built lettering and brown/red paint? Is there something specific to the paint for this car design? Or has Intermountain chosen to paint these in the wrong color (a few times) for the as-built versions? 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


My recent RPM experiences

Clark Propst
 

I thought I’d throw out my opinions of the last three RPMs I was privileged enough to attend. I was a mouse in the corner for the planning of the StL meet, so I will never complain but any of them.
 
Last summer was the Collinsville Il (St Louis) meet. This one is in a convention center rimmed by hotels and restaurants, with more very nearby. The focus is on tables. Lots of models on display, hands on clinics going all day, HS societies, manufacturers and vendors. Only one clinic room. Clinics are only shown once. A great place to grab some chairs and hold a good BS session.
 
This past fall was Naperville. This show seems to be on wobbly legs with the lost of Martin Lofton, trying to find a new direction. Using three different venues over the last three years hasn’t helped. You lose that ‘comfort’ feeling. Focus on clinics. Not near as many tables as St Louis, but many clinics going at once. The reason I go, a great show.  
 
Winter time means Cocoa Beach. A chance to thaw out a bit. Venue is therefore second to none. Again the focus is on clinics, not as many tables as Naperville, but with the ocean outside the door and good clinics who cares ;  )
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


NYC 40 ft. double door boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

I am kitbashing the 40 foot, 10'-0" IH double door boxcars with the 12 ft door openings.  I have the ends and roof to do both the end door and straight end versions.  Looking at the photos in volume 21 of RPC I can see an interesting rivet panel arrangement with the sides.  
Does anyone have any info on the panel widths and the rivet patterns?
 I will probably do an 88xxx series car and a 203xxx series as I model 1952 and the 211xxx series didn't take place until then.  I want one with the black background in the oval and one without but I may need to go with an earlier number to have the black. say the 91xxx series.
Thanks in advance
Fenton Wells


Re: MStL 63001s, 65001s

Clark Propst
 

Mask Island now offers decals for these cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: CP & CN Fowler brake cylinders

Daniel McConnachie
 

Earl,

Yes I'd be very interested in seeing the pics. Thank for sharing.

Cheers, Daniel.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Earl Tuson <etuson@...> wrote:
 

> Earl, what are the PBL part numbers for these cylinders?

Funny you should ask! I don't know for sure, but I think their KD812 is PBL-531 and PBL-532 the KC812. I don't know
what cylinder is included in PBL-501. My examples came from my PBL UTLX tank car kits (the Type V has a KD, while the
"narrow frame" Type X has a KC.)

Another KC812 available in S is included in GL-4064. Those are also quite an improvement over, for example, the lumps
included in the Kaslo/Ridgehill Scale Models Fowler car kits, but the PBL parts are just exquisite.

If only we had comparable 10x12 K components...

Daniel, I can send images of some these off list if it is of assistance.

Earl Tuson




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MStL

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Here are some more information requests:
 
MStL 1000e1018 any months-years built information?
MStL 1183-1193 any months-years built information?
MStL 04000e04598 any months-years built information?
MStL 5402e5800 any months-years built information?
MStL 13101o13599 any months-years built information?
MStL 13601o14099 any months-years built information?
MStL 18000e18998 any months-years built information?
MStL 31000-31018 any months-years built information?
MStL 65001o65355 any months-years built information or former WMX numbers?
 
Thanks,
Eric N.


Re: MStL 63001s, 65001s

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Thanks to Gene via Doug for the info. I can add the following:
 
The ultimate origin of the MStl 63001s was apparently KOPX 15101-16000. These had mostly become SBPX 100-778+ by the late 1920s. Some apparently spent time as something else between KOPX and SBPX. PGBX 100-789 (646) appear by 7-30. The remaining history to MStL is below. Cars from the same original series went to the VGN 3200s, 5300s, and ultimately 5000-5230 (231) in the 1930s. I can confirm KOPX 15101-16000 as built by SSC at Baltimore. A builder's photo shows a 11-20 date which is consistent which dates on the MStL series.
 
The MStL 65001s were built as Westmoreland Coal. I suspect the original series was WMX 751-900, but not sure.
 
So now you have more information that anyone should want to know.
 
Eric N.

Eric, re the M&StL 63001s and 65001s hoppers, the information below is from Gene Green originally:

First the 63000s

Here's more than you ever wanted to know about the M&StL's used, open-top, two-bay hoppers acquired in 1941 and numbered 63001 through 63579.

There were originally 290 cars total and their original numbers ranged from CBPX 100 through 837 with lots of missing numbers. CBPX stands for Chicago By-Products which was formerly Peoples Gas By-Products of Chicago (PGBX).

All the cars were delivered to the M&StL at Peoria. The Alton delivered 102 cars, Rock Island delivered 39, and Illinois Central 99. The first car was delivered June 11, 1941, the last July 6, 1941.

The AFE offered no clue as to the builder although dates built ranged from January 1920 through May 1921. All except four cars were built in November and December 1920 and January and February 1921. (another note from Gene indicates the cars were built by Standard Steel Car Co.)

These cars were retired by the M&StL mostly in 1948 through 1952. M&StL hopper 63375 lasted until January 1961 when it was retired and subsequently sold to M.S. Kaplan Co. August 10, 1961.

Four were lost to wrecks as follows:

63011 on the M&StL at Searsboro September 21, 1945

63201 on the Illinois Terminal November 20, 1948

63319 on the Illinois Central in February 1947

63463 on the ERIE April 27, 1948

Aside for the 4 wrecked cars and the one sold to Kaplan, all the rest were sold to the Purdy Co.

One train of 103 of these cars were in a single train from Marshalltown on January 30, 1953 to Peoria from where the GM&O took them to Burnham, Illinois and handed them over to the Indiana Harbor Belt for delivery to Purdy. Of these 103 cars only 8 numbers are known; 63017, 63073, 63127, 63343, 63363, 63373, 63425 and 63453.

The AFEs do not tell us what happened to most of these cars after delivery to Purdy but some dispositions are known.

Eighteen cars were renumbered PCX (Purdy's reporting marks) 6301 through 6318 inclusive. Of these, 6301 through 6309 were subsequently renumbered WICO 2125 through 2133 (6309 became 2125, 6308 2126, etc.) for Woodward Iron Co., Woodward, Alabama.

The remaining cars known to be renumbered PCX were also in the 6300 series.

None of the applicable AFEs had any clue as to builder, type of trucks, brake system, hand brake or any of that neat stuff a modeler would like to know.

Three of the cars were reweighed at Minneapolis (MPLS) 7-41 as follows:

63547's new weight was 37900 lbs.

63531 was 38600 lbs.

63539 was 39000 lbs.

M&StL 63375 was reweighed at some unknown location in February 1958 and found to weigh 37700 lbs.

The 65001s came from Westmorland Coal Co., Philadelphia PA. Total of 178, bought used in 1943, numbered 65001—65355, built by Pressed Steel Car Co. Last car disposed of in 1965.

Hope this helps.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: CP & CN Fowler brake cylinders

Dennis Storzek
 

Sounds like a repeat of the situation in HO scale thirty years ago... The CalScale KC set was OK, but the absolute best brake set of the time was the Grandt Line set, and being designed for narrow gauge, had an 8" cylinder. Luckily, the Soo cabooses that were my first resin kit actually had 8" cylinders, so I was able to include the Grandt set, but not with the freight cars I did.

The narrow gaugers penchant for detail and ability to scratchbuild has always supported more and better detail parts than are available for standard gauge modeling; luckily, some parts are adaptable.

Dennis Storzek


Re: CP & CN Fowler brake cylinders

Earl Tuson
 

Earl, what are the PBL part numbers for these cylinders?
Funny you should ask! I don't know for sure, but I think their KD812 is PBL-531 and PBL-532 the KC812. I don't know
what cylinder is included in PBL-501. My examples came from my PBL UTLX tank car kits (the Type V has a KD, while the
"narrow frame" Type X has a KC.)

Another KC812 available in S is included in GL-4064. Those are also quite an improvement over, for example, the lumps
included in the Kaslo/Ridgehill Scale Models Fowler car kits, but the PBL parts are just exquisite.

If only we had comparable 10x12 K components...

Daniel, I can send images of some these off list if it is of assistance.

Earl Tuson

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