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Solvaset

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ’s Decal-set. But Solvaset’s always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever.

 

This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that.  I’ll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) “stuff” accumulated in it.  Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn’t seem to make it dissolve.  Any thoughts about this:

 

I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model.  VERY!

 

 

Schuyler


Re: Reading boxcar series 101000-102999

Larry Sexton
 

My apologies to the group, that is the second time this morning I’ve made
the mistake of sending to the STMFC group and not just the intended
addressee. However, in this case if you have the pertinent information and
provide it, please accept my thanks and appreciation.



Larry Sexton

Crystal River, FL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Larry Sexton
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Reading boxcar series 101000-102999





Eric,

Thanks for your response in the email below and to the query I sent Allen
Stanley this morning. I started a list of modeling points I need to be aware
of before I even get started.

• Wood roof walk apparent in all photos regardless of date of photo

• RDG 103751 and 102800 good side shots for details. 102751 and 102327
appear to show roof ribs. Drawing by Wiswesser for these cars shows roof
ribs. Need photo or diagram sheet to understand type of roof. Drawing and
photos don’t appear to be similar to PRR x 29 roofs.

• Car has a flat end similar to the x29, but 6” taller – key difference.
Has the same vertical rivet spacing (3 vertical pairs of rivets top to
bottom)

• Towing staples attached at bolsters

• As-built photo of 101070 shows 6-5-6 ribbed Youngstown (?) door.
Similar Tichy door for same height car is a 5-6-6. Need to chase correct
door or make one.

• Biggest concern is what the roof looks like. Ordered the Reading
Freight Car and Passenger Cars in Color to see if Craig B’s had a roof shot

• Eric Neubauer did an article in the January 1995 RMC that addressed
these cars and it appears they have USRA underframes. I need to locate the
article to be certain of underframe, roof and dimensions.

My conclusion is that a model of this car is doable. Any chance you could
provide me a scan of your article to see what the roof looks like. Taylor
trucks likely to be a sticking point. Checking with Eastern Car Works, not
certain what kit they were in. Do you see any issues or problems I might
have missed?

Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric
Neubauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reading boxcar series 101000-102999

They are different because they are on a USRA inspired underframe just like
a lot of contemporary NYC all-steel cars were. The best spotting feature for
cars like these is the 2x3 rivet pattern on the side sill at the body
bolster. No photo, but ends are flat.

Eric N.

Does anyone have a photo of any Reading boxcar in series 101000-102999
they’d be willing to provide me a scan. I’m trying to create a model of one
these cars which, at first look, appear to be similar to a PRR x-29 boxcar.
Except for the 6” difference in height. There may be other differences as
well that I haven’t spotted yet. I have a side shot but no ¾ or end view.
Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Larry Sexton

Crystal River, FL

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Re: Reading boxcar series 101000-102999

Larry Sexton
 

Eric,



Thanks for your response in the email below and to the query I sent Allen
Stanley this morning. I started a list of modeling points I need to be aware
of before I even get started.





• Wood roof walk apparent in all photos regardless of date of photo



• RDG 103751 and 102800 good side shots for details. 102751 and 102327
appear to show roof ribs. Drawing by Wiswesser for these cars shows roof
ribs. Need photo or diagram sheet to understand type of roof. Drawing and
photos don’t appear to be similar to PRR x 29 roofs.



• Car has a flat end similar to the x29, but 6” taller – key difference.
Has the same vertical rivet spacing (3 vertical pairs of rivets top to
bottom)



• Towing staples attached at bolsters



• As-built photo of 101070 shows 6-5-6 ribbed Youngstown (?) door.
Similar Tichy door for same height car is a 5-6-6. Need to chase correct
door or make one.



• Biggest concern is what the roof looks like. Ordered the Reading
Freight Car and Passenger Cars in Color to see if Craig B’s had a roof shot



• Eric Neubauer did an article in the January 1995 RMC that addressed
these cars and it appears they have USRA underframes. I need to locate the
article to be certain of underframe, roof and dimensions.



My conclusion is that a model of this car is doable. Any chance you could
provide me a scan of your article to see what the roof looks like. Taylor
trucks likely to be a sticking point. Checking with Eastern Car Works, not
certain what kit they were in. Do you see any issues or problems I might
have missed?



Larry Sexton





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric
Neubauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reading boxcar series 101000-102999





They are different because they are on a USRA inspired underframe just like
a lot of contemporary NYC all-steel cars were. The best spotting feature for
cars like these is the 2x3 rivet pattern on the side sill at the body
bolster. No photo, but ends are flat.



Eric N.

Does anyone have a photo of any Reading boxcar in series 101000-102999
they’d be willing to provide me a scan. I’m trying to create a model of one
these cars which, at first look, appear to be similar to a PRR x-29 boxcar.
Except for the 6” difference in height. There may be other differences as
well that I haven’t spotted yet. I have a side shot but no ¾ or end view.
Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Larry Sexton

Crystal River, FL





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PRR/PCo built dates

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Has anyone extracted month-year built for any PRR/PCo freight cars from the ledgers at the PA State Archives? I'd like to be more specific about renumberings through the 'teens into the twenties and this seems to be the best route to take since I have the month-year built for cars with pre 1905 numbers and also the railroads that were renumbered later like VRR and GR&I.
 
Eric N.


Re: Army troop cars in transit

mikefrommontanan
 

Of course the Toole Army Depot was active and probably then a marshalling point for the military rail service equipment. So, this could be a movement of equipment between installations. Were the cars going to Alaska, they would probably have been sent to Pocatello directly, for movement over the OSL to Seattle.

At least that's my take of it at least.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

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Re: Army troop cars in transit

Charlie Vlk
 

The CB&Q Kitchen Cars ran with Allieds for some years before being changed.  I doubt that any Troop Pullmans or Kitchen Cars were converted by the Army as the cars retained were so equipped through the Korean War.
Charlie Vlk


On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:27 AM, water.kresse@... wrote:

 

Did the "Feds" remove any of the high-speed trucks? . . . . or were they as is?  Al Kresse





 


Re: P&N Box Car Sale by GC&L Photo Posted

Larry Sexton
 

Good morning Allen,



It’s been about a year since we communicated, hope all is well with you. I retired June 1, 2013 and am in the midst of writing a book on the relief efforts of American and Canadian civic organizations and church-based groups for Europe in the 1940-1950 period. Requires a lot of research, but it brings me a great deal of satisfaction. The research has been interesting and has lead me to meet all kinds of people in the US and abroad when we went to Great Britain and Europe last summer.



Your email referenced an attached GC&L brochure, but I don’t recall seeing it. Did you ever attach it? I’ve purchased a couple of pieces of period paper regarding the GC&L, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of it about.



My reason for emailing you today is my quest for information on the Reading railroad’s boxcars in series 101000-102999. I realize these boxcars were built by three different companies between 4/30 – 6/30, but I can’t find any info on their roofs I’m hoping you might have a diagram or data sheet that covers them.



Look forward to hearing from you.



Larry Sexton

Crystal River, FL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of raildata@...
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] P&N Box Car Sale by GC&L Photo Posted





HI All,



Just posted a Piedmont & Northern box car photo that was on a Georgia Car & Loco sales brochure. For those that may not be aware GC&L was one of the largest used railroad equipment dealers in the country. If you look at the photo you will see they have erased the P&N name from the car side as well as from the circle in the logo. I have scanned many of their records and find this is common practice for them. Interesting box car I thought the group might enjoy.



Allen Stanley

Greer, SC





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Re: Army troop cars in transit

water.kresse@...
 

Did the "Feds" remove any of the high-speed trucks? . . . . or were they as is?  Al Kresse





 


Re: Army troop cars in transit

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., larrywolohon@... wrote:

Per Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #5:
 
In 1947,  the U.S. War Assets Administration Office offered 2290 troop sleepers & troop kitchen cars for sale to the railroads for a fraction of their origianal cost. There is a copy of an advertisement circa 1947 in this Railway Prototype Cyclopedia (page 39).
 
Pat Wider goes on to say that rosters of where these cars went after the war effort was beyond the scope of the article which was about Troop Sleepers & Troop Kitchen cars for the war effort.
 
The article includes pictures of some examples after conversion to head end cars:
 
Railway Express Agency that purchased 600 cars, M&StL, NYC & Frisco
 
So per this article in RPC #5, These troop cars were offered to the railroads after World War II.
 
Larry Wolohon

Didn't David Lambert do an article on a number of the railroads that converted Pullman Troop Sleepers/Kitchens into baggage and/or express cars after the war in RMC some ten to fifteen years ago?
Also, it was not just Troop Sleeper and Kitchens that were converted.
Some former hospital cars also were sold of an made into conversion fodder. Last I knew there was one sitting on the former MEC Beecher Falls Branch outside the one stall enginehouse in Beecher Falls, VT.

Cordically, Don Valentine

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: logos, emblems, and monograms Oh My!

Cyril Durrenberger
 

I just looked at some of the SP lettering diagrams from the early 1900's.  They clearly indicate that the medallion be painted on the car.  There were lettering diagrams for the medallions, in this case they were 5'4" across.  Not only did they cover the familiar sunset medallion - with Southern Pacific spelled out between the two concentric circles, the center bar with sunset route on two lines with the sun above and the rails below,  also included were medallions for the Houston & Texas Central, Houston East & West Texas and San Antonio and Aransas Pass.

So this large circular object painted on the side of the car was clearly called a medallion.  The medallion was not painted on some other object that was attached to the side of the car.  Photos of cars lettered with this lettering scheme clearly show that the medallion was painted on the side of the car.  A number of these are shown in the SP Freight car book on box cars.

So no matter what other folks think or what other railroads did, the Southern Pacific lines at one time used the term medallion for lettering painted on the side of the car. 

Cyril Durrenberger


From: Tony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] logos, emblems, and monograms Oh My!

 
Frank Greene wrote:

I agree "medallion" connotes a physical object.  Southern drawings for the "SR in a circle" are labeled "Monogram", except where it's painted on a metal disk bolted to the nose of a diesel electric.  In that instance, it's a "Medallion".

      My dictionary says, if it's not a physical medal, it's an "oval or circular design." It's true that PFE for a few years used metal plates for this purpose, but SP never did, to my knowledge, and SP likewise called their emblem a medallion (so identified on lettering drawings). I think it is not correct to try and insist it connotes a physical object. Round designs called medallions are used in decorations such as carpets and textiles.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Army troop cars in transit

Curt Fortenberry
 


Right, I have read Pat's article.  What I'm saying is a subtle point, while the War Assets Administration did advertise the cars availability, the ARR, being a federal entity, requested transfer of the assets at some point in the process.  Of course the federal gov't kept some cars well past this list's timeframe.  This is still a practice in federal property regulations, that other federal entities get first crack at surplus material.  

The ORER is not a good indication of the ARR roster as until the introduction of rail-barge service to Alaska in the 60's, the ARR wasn't included in the ORER since there was no true interchange.  The cars that still exist in MOW are both rebuilt troop cars and unrebuilt (except for brake system).  They were still using Allied trucks into the 90's since the annual mileage on the MOW cars was only in the hundreds per year.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: More Albrecht photos

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Actually, it is cooler to see an old V car in use in 1948.  Lots were used during WWII, but disappeared fairly rapidly after as they were not converted to AB brakes.

 

Thanks for finding this one!

 

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More Albrecht photos

 

 

Thanks, Steve!  I was momentarily stunned finding not only a BAR plug door refrigerator car in the Albrecht collection but a BAR single sheathed boxcar.

 

gary laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:39 PM

To: STMFC@...

Subject: RE: [STMFC] More Albrecht photos

 

 

Actually, that is a 6500 gallon type V UTLX car with the typically split K brake and no center sill.

Regards,

Steve Hile


 

Gary Laakso wrote, in part … 

huge dome on a Type X tank car:

 


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Re: Army troop cars in transit

Larry Wolohon
 

Per Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #5:
 
In 1947,  the U.S. War Assets Administration Office offered 2290 troop sleepers & troop kitchen cars for sale to the railroads for a fraction of their origianal cost. There is a copy of an advertisement circa 1947 in this Railway Prototype Cyclopedia (page 39).
 
Pat Wider goes on to say that rosters of where these cars went after the war effort was beyond the scope of the article which was about Troop Sleepers & Troop Kitchen cars for the war effort.
 
The article includes pictures of some examples after conversion to head end cars:
 
Railway Express Agency that purchased 600 cars, M&StL, NYC & Frisco
 
So per this article in RPC #5, These troop cars were offered to the railroads after World War II.
 
Larry Wolohon


From: "Rupert & Maureen"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:29:29 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Army troop cars in transit

 

Curt


The Burlington purchased 300 kitchen cars in 1947, and converted them at Havelock to baggage express class BE-1 numbered 8600-8899. I don’t know how they were acquired.  In 1963 (my nearest passenger ORER to 1960) there were still 287 on the roster, and 268 at the end of the decade.


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Curt Fortenberry
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2014 9:16 a.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Army troop cars in transit

 




 

Actually, most if not all surplus WW2 troop cars were acquired by the Alaska RR since it was a gov't owned entity.  Chicago Freight Car rebuilt some for ARR and CFCP resold others to the various railroads.  The understanding so I'm told was that CFCP kept cars as payment for work done on the ARR cars.  I'm not aware that any railroad got them direct from the gov't from surplus sales.  ARR still uses troop cars in MOW service.

 

Curt Fortenberry





Re: Army troop cars in transit

Richard Townsend
 

More than 20 years into the future for this list I saw some ARR boxcars that had been converted from the troop cars and then further converted by cutting them horizontally.  One car that had its roof cut off was joined to the top section of another that had been cut at the top of the windows.  Presto! A high-cube troop car!
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Army troop cars in transit

 
The troop cars on the ARR were rebuilt into box cars, and they are still visible at various points on the line. I don't think they are in revenue service though. The car numbers shown in the 6-70 ORER suggest they got 602 of them.
 
There is still either a troop or kitchen car in McCarthy, AK. Presumably it wandered out the CR&NW, but it must have done so at least a decade after the line was "abandoned" but before the 1964 earthquake.
 
Eric N.
 
 


Re: More Albrecht photos

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Steve!  I was momentarily stunned finding not only a BAR plug door refrigerator car in the Albrecht collection but a BAR single sheathed boxcar.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] More Albrecht photos
 
 

Actually, that is a 6500 gallon type V UTLX car with the typically split K brake and no center sill.

Regards,

Steve Hile


 

Gary Laakso wrote, in part … 

huge dome on a Type X tank car:




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Re: Army troop cars in transit

water.kresse@...
 

At least they got rid of the high-speed trucks.



From: "Matt Herson"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:27:52 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Army troop cars in transit

Although OT for this list some troop sleepers made it to Cuba.  See:

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=79466

 

Matt Herson

 


Re: C&O deco-end boxcar.. to B&O [was waffle iron]

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Back in 2006 in the [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Yahoo! group...
James Mischke provided history on the exC&O deco-end cars sent to the B&Os as class M-25e... (below).

Other than "well known" M-25e car number 169544 (from the BOHS - J Bernard photo)...
on Rich Yoder's site (He did the Models!) at:
http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_co_boxcar5400.htm
is there documentation/photos of other cars in the incomplete 169500-169749 series?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Baltimore_and_Ohio@...
[mailto:Baltimore_and_Ohio@...] On Behalf Of James Mischke
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 PM
To: Baltimore and Ohio egroup
Subject: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] B&O M-25e boxcar modeling project
<snip>
The Prototype
-----------------

In 1937, C&O bought some 40-foot boxcars from General American that
conformed to the 1937 AAR specification with 10'-0" inside
height, and with 6-foot door openings. As typical for
railroads, specified fixtures were spread out between
vendors. Total order was 500 cars, C&O 5000-5499. Of these,
the 5000-5249 had Camel doors and fixtures, the 5250-5499 had
Creco (looks like a three panel Superior would). The 5000-5399
had dreadnaught ends, the 5400-5499 had Deco ends, a truly
bizarre end pattern.

In 1964, C&O leased a number of these to B&O through Raillease, as B&O
class M-25e 169500-169749. Although this implies 250 cars, the B&O
clearance diagram says 77 cars, the Jan. 1965 ORER says 67, a 9/67 B&O
roster reports 77 cars. All suggesting an incomplete series. These
lasted to about 1974.

At 04:29 PM 1/19/2014, Richard Yoder wrote:
<snip>
Yes, it was referenced in the C&O world as a Deco end box car. There were
100 of these cars built by GATC in 1937. There are some photos floating
around out there of the same car painted in B&O Livery which occurred when
the B&O received some hand me downs in the early 60's. There might still be
some photos found on my web site of these cars.


Re: logos, emblems, and monograms Oh My!

Tony Thompson
 

Frank Greene wrote:

I agree "medallion" connotes a physical object.  Southern drawings for the "SR in a circle" are labeled "Monogram", except where it's painted on a metal disk bolted to the nose of a diesel electric.  In that instance, it's a "Medallion".

      My dictionary says, if it's not a physical medal, it's an "oval or circular design." It's true that PFE for a few years used metal plates for this purpose, but SP never did, to my knowledge, and SP likewise called their emblem a medallion (so identified on lettering drawings). I think it is not correct to try and insist it connotes a physical object. Round designs called medallions are used in decorations such as carpets and textiles.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Army troop cars in transit

Matt Herson
 

Although OT for this list some troop sleepers made it to Cuba.  See:

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=79466

 

Matt Herson

 


Re: Impression from the Albrecht photos--- Silver and Green Railway Express Refrigerator cars

rob.mclear3@...
 

Gary,


I love this photo! See how the clerk has wiped the number of REX 6221 so that it can be read?  A cotton swap and some thinner or isopropanol (depending on the paint) can be used to give the same effect.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




Hi to all

Also the more you look at it the more you see, I have noticed a couple of streaks down the side of the car which appear to start on the roof at either end of the ice hatch, given that the cars are only a year old I am wondering if that is either salt or rust deposits on the side of the car from filling the cars with ice.


Would be handy to know for weathering purposes.


Rob McLear.

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