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Re: Genesee & Wyoming box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian,

That was my first thought as well -- especially since the B&O operated in
the same geographic area as the GNWR. Richard, the EJ&E cars had 4/5 ends.

Tim O'Connor


How about B&O 467000-467999? See Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 8, page 77.
Details match, especially those Barber S-2 trucks with spring planks, unique to
all the cars pictured in the article.
Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Anyone know the original owner of these cars? They are postwar, 10'0" IH box cars
> > with rectangular panel roofs. Can't be too many possibilities...
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/360833212989
> >
> EJ&E 64000 series. In later years the original doors were replaced with Superior 5 panel doors.
>
> Richard Hendrickson


Re: Cudahy Meat Reefer End Color Question

Dave Nelson
 

IMO the real problem is not the scanner or the photograph but the monitor in use (and laptop screens are far, far worse).  Waaaaaay too few people calibrate their monitor and so the scan may be perfect, the photo may be perfect but the screen throws in too much blue or too little green or too little brightness, etc. etc and/or any and all combinations of whatever can go wrong… is usually present on most screens.

 

I have a high end $600 screen and I calibrate it regularly because most of my work product for RR sims now is artwork.  I’m often SHOCKED at how f’ed up some of my peers artwork is on account of the lousy screen they use.

 

And please understand that the RGB values sent to my screen and to yours are identical for the same image – it’s the same digital data – but what each screen does with that data is often very, very different.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:08 PM


Which brings to mind a question --

Do scanners all use the same color (e.g. full frequency spectrum) light?

 


Re: Rapidio Meat Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

Mark: from 2011 so I am not sure on the roof.

Hi Ed,

If you have the RP Cyc #14, open to page 78 (the lead page in the article). You will see that the roof does indeed have boards, not metal. Further, Ed and Pat sent me the original scan of the photo on page 83 and it is very clearly a board roof. In fact, even in the book if you look back about half way down the right hand side of the roof you can see one board joint not quite even. The roof looks to be made of T&G with very tight joints, then covered with a fairly solid coat of car cement and/or paint. In talking with Ed Hawkins early on in the development of this project he admitted that the caption and text were in error regarding the roof.

Regarding the model, the roof is clearly..... overstated. I’ll cover that in my next e-mail.... ;>)

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains


From: spsalso
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New Rapido reefer--the roof?

I'm still interested in reconciling what looks like t&g planking on the roof of the model with the statements (supported by a roof shot) in RPC #14 that the roof surface was relatively smooth sheet metal. Which one's right?

Ed

Edward Sutorik

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of feddersenmark@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Rapidio Meat Reefers

 

 

And, oh yes, the roof should be steel sheathed. I thought that was one of the problems they were going to re-tool. Probably the worst transgression and most difficult to "fix". I may have second thoughts about these reefers and unload them at the train meet this Sunday. Very disappointed. Mark Feddersen


Re: Genesee & Wyoming box car

brianleppert@att.net
 

How about B&O 467000-467999? See Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 8, page 77. Details match, especially those Barber S-2 trucks with spring planks, unique to all the cars pictured in the article.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Anyone know the original owner of these cars? They are postwar, 10'0" IH box cars
with rectangular panel roofs. Can't be too many possibilities...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360833212989
EJ&J 64000 series. In later years the original doors were replaced with Superior 5 panel doors.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: HO N&W H2, H3 hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

Thanks,

I remembered Bob's series but forgot that he covered the BLI model!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of Benjamin Hom [b.hom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO N&W H2, H3 hoppers

Bruce Smith asked:
"Has anyone made an attempt at backdating the Broadway Limited N&W H2A hopper to the earlier H2 and H3 hoppers?"

IIRC, Bob Chapman's "Modeling An N&W Coal Train, Part Four - Birth of the Three-Bay Fleet" in the December 2005 issue of Mainline Modeler cover these conversions.

Also, his "Modeling An N&W Coal Train - Conclusion - Upgrading A Broadway Limited Hopper" ran in the January 2006 issue of Mainline Modeler.


Ben Hom


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Re: Early, but definitely steam era

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Brian carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Larry, finish your car, then they are guaranteed to appear :-)
Brian Carlson
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On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:34 PM, "Larry Sexton" <SSEXTON9@

I'd agree with that Brian because they are a minimum of 1 1/2 years away and why wait if you already have 70 - 80% of the work done.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Genesee & Wyoming box car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Anyone know the original owner of these cars? They are postwar, 10'0" IH box cars
with rectangular panel roofs. Can't be too many possibilities...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360833212989

EJ&J 64000 series.  In later years the original doors were replaced with Superior 5 panel doors.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Rapidio Meat Reefers

feddersenmark
 

And, oh yes, the roof should be steel sheathed. I thought that was one of the problems they were going to re-tool. Probably the worst transgression and most difficult to "fix". I may have second thoughts about these reefers and unload them at the train meet this Sunday. Very disappointed. Mark Feddersen


Re: For Sale Cars and locomotive, PRICES REDUCED

Bill McCoy
 

All sold. Thanks for looking.


Bill McCoy


C&O gondola articles wanted

Sam Reynolds
 

For a Clinchfield gondola project that I'd like to start I'm trying to locate two articles that Mont Switzer had published in Mainline Modeler.  I believe that both articles covered the C&O oval end gondola.  The first article was on page 40 of the June 1992 issue of Mainline Modeler, and the second was on page 70 of the September 1992 issue.  If anyone has these two issues, and can provide PDF copies of the articles they would be greatly appreciated.  Please feel free to contact me off list at monon@... if you are able to make these articles available.  Thanks in advance!

Sam Reynolds


Genesee & Wyoming box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Anyone know the original owner of these cars? They are postwar, 10'0" IH box cars
with rectangular panel roofs. Can't be too many possibilities...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360833212989


Rapidio Meat Reefers

feddersenmark
 

My local hobby shop received the much anticipated meat reefers, today. I bought eight, one being an undecorated kit. All I can say is that I wish all road names were available as kits. These are some of the worst pre-assembled RTR models I have bought. Flash is the biggest problem. Oversized, unattached and misaligned parts, especially with the brake rigging, is a major concern. Throw the couplers away... they're junk. Dito for the cut levers. The paint is a bit heavy handed, but probably okay after weathering. It's too bad that after almost three years of waiting and redos, they couldn't get it right! Mark Feddersen  


Re: Cudahy Meat Reefer End Color Question

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Tony, et. al.

 

I had already scanned the four color pictures available, so I opened the best one in Photoshop Elements along with all four Tru Color color chip files (they scanned them in four files with one quarter of the chart in each file). It would have been easier to get direct comparisons if the color chart was in one file, but after several sampling attempts, I gave up on a direct comparison and did an eyeball color match to the fascia, recorded the RBG numbers for the eyeball and eyedropper sample, then looked at the likely Tru Color candidates for similar RBG numbers. The eyedropper samples vary within a solid color chip depending upon where on the chip you sample, so I use the averaging method to arrive at the RBG number. That narrowed the field to D&RGW Orange, Guilford Orange, and Milwaukee Road Orange. That was a surprise, because my eye sees more red than orange in the photo. I was able to get a perfect match with the eyedropper sample and the eyeball match with all three colors by moving the cursor around a little in the color gradient, which indicates that any of these colors could be mixed to a perfect photo match by either the sample or eyeball method. Comparing the RBG numbers, Guilford Orange is the best eyedropper sample match, while Milwaukee Orange is the best eyeball match. My inclination is to go with the eyeball match, since it has the most red of the three colors. I’ll order both colors and see which one I like best.

 

I hadn’t done anything like this until now, so thank you Tony for spurring me to try something new.

 

As Tony points out, there are a lot of variables in color matching, and ultimately the appearance of the car under layout lighting will be the final measure of success.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Cudahy Meat Reefer End Color Question

 

 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

 

I also have the Tru Color color swatches in pdf format, but it’s hard to get a match between a color monitor and a book photograph. 

 

   Not true. In Photoshop you can sample the color and get either an RGB or CMYK proportion; you can do the same with a scan from the book. Whether you want to trust the comparison is another matter. The original photo lighting, and the various modifications which may have happened to the file en route from scanner to printed page, are unknowable at this point but can certainly alter the hue and tone of the image.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 


Re: Cudahy Meat Reefer End Color Question

Tim O'Connor
 


Which brings to mind a question --

Do scanners all use the same color (e.g. full frequency spectrum) light?

The color question will never be settled, because of course, color only
exists in our heads. (Our brain assigns "hues" to various electromagnetic
wavelengths based on hard-wired genetic programming, which can vary from
one set of genes to another.) But in that context, RGB readings are more
consistent than eyeballs.

:-)


Nelson Moyer wrote:

I also have the Tru Color color swatches in pdf format, but it�s hard to get a match between a color monitor and a book photograph.

   Not true. In Photoshop you can sample the color and get either an RGB or CMYK proportion; you can do the same with a scan from the book. Whether you want to trust the comparison is another matter. The original photo lighting, and the various modifications which may have happened to the file en route from scanner to printed page, are unknowable at this point but can certainly alter the hue and tone of the image.

Tony Thompson


Re: Cudahy Meat Reefer End Color Question

Tony Thompson
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

I also have the Tru Color color swatches in pdf format, but it’s hard to get a match between a color monitor and a book photograph. 

   Not true. In Photoshop you can sample the color and get either an RGB or CMYK proportion; you can do the same with a scan from the book. Whether you want to trust the comparison is another matter. The original photo lighting, and the various modifications which may have happened to the file en route from scanner to printed page, are unknowable at this point but can certainly alter the hue and tone of the image.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: HO N&W H2, H3 hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith asked:
"Has anyone made an attempt at backdating the Broadway Limited N&W H2A hopper to the earlier H2 and H3 hoppers?"
 
IIRC, Bob Chapman's "Modeling An N&W Coal Train, Part Four - Birth of the Three-Bay Fleet" in the December 2005 issue of Mainline Modeler cover these conversions.
 
Also, his "Modeling An N&W Coal Train - Conclusion - Upgrading A Broadway Limited Hopper" ran in the January 2006 issue of Mainline Modeler.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Early, but definitely steam era

Brian Carlson
 

Larry, finish your car, then they are guaranteed to appear :-)
Brian Carlson 

On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:34 PM, "Larry Sexton"


Cudahy Meat Reefer End Color Question

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

While we’re talking about meat reefers, that Tru Color paint shade best matches the red ends, fascia, and door kick plates on Cudahy 5701-5850 meat reefers. I have Gene Greens color reefer book, and the red is very red on newly painted cars, and faded red on old paint jobs. I also have the Tru Color color swatches in pdf format, but it’s hard to get a match between a color monitor and a book photograph. There’s no Tru Color dealer near Iowa City that I’m aware of, so I can’t easily try to match from a bottle. Sunshine 24.17 is read to paint. Since I ordered two and got one, we can safely assume that there are no more.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Early, but definitely steam era

Larry Sexton
 

Don,



Thanks for the input. You say a major manufacturer of HO scale equipment is reviewing these cars now. I’m glad to hear that. However, I’ve got my sides and underframe made and am working on the ends. About all I need after that to complete this freightcar model is a good photo of the roof that clearly shows the roof detail and I can get to work on the roof masters. There has even been some discussion on whether I’d be interested in having the cars cast, but I haven’t decided on that yet. I’ll see how things turn out at the next RPM meet I attend this spring, and whether the people you’re referencing get their models ready to sell any time soon.



Again, thanks for the feedback.



Larry Sexton

Crystal River, FL

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:05 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Early, but definitely steam era







--- In STMFC@..., <abrown@...> wrote:

A few published photos of the XMu class, showing end and/or roof::

RDG 101070, 101400: RP CYC 21 pp80-81
RDG 101070 (again): RMC 1/95 p76 and MM 2/87 p41
RDG 101023: Bossler, "RDG Color Guide", p 68
RDG 101199: MM 2/86 p41 and RMJ 8/04 p40
RDG 101517: Kline and Culotta, "PFCF" p41
RDG 101572: Griffin, "SAL" p35 (partial end shot behind tender of 2-8-2)
RDG 102123: Henderson, "Classic Freight Cars vol 1", p 16
RDG 102751: Culotta, "FCRM 1", p 129 (shows roof from shallow angle)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.




---In STMFC@..., <SSEXTON9@> wrote:

Does anyone have a photo of any Reading boxcar in series 101000-102999 they’d be willing to provide me a scan. I’m trying to create a model of one these cars which, at first look, appear to be similar to a PRR x-29 boxcar. Except for the 6” difference in height. There may be other differences as well that I haven’t spotted yet. I have a side shot but no ¾ or end view. Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Larry Sexton
Crystal River, FL
These cars are being reviewed by a major manufacturer of HO scale equipment now. I'm not at liberty to state who but it is NOT NERS.

Cordially, Don Valentine





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Re: Swift 40" steel reefer roof color

Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Fair enough
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/22/2014 1:36 PM, destorzek@... wrote:

 

Not really odd at all. Paint with bright pigments traditionally costs more, no reason to use it on parts of the car the public doesn't see. In reality, that's the rational for only painting the sides of reefers yellow.

Dennis

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