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Re: Rapido Reefer

 

Group, 

Apologies for the last email as it was intended for Mark Morgan - unnecessary noise for this list.

However, since the trip to the Train Station referenced in that email, I've taken and posted photos of the car and am presenting the gallery link here for inspection:

http://goodman312.zenfolio.com/p755987833 
 
I can't add anything to the comments already made about detail and constuction.  My example seems to fall midway between those with models with detached parts and those that had perfect examples.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio


On Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:25 PM, Matt Goodman wrote:



Mark,

I got a chuckle from your note as I read it just after exiting the Train Station with my new Hormel Meat Reefer. 

I'm local, but it was their Facebook page that got me to visit for that specific purpose (that and to see if they had the Accurail Big Four 41' Gon three pack - they did). 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Feb 1, 2014, at 6:36 PM, <bnonut@...> wrote:

Greetings, just arrived from Columbus Ohio, saw the grandsons. Most of all The TrainStation has some of the reefers yet! Purchased two. They do ship so you might want to call first and they are on Facebook too!

Phone 614-262-9056

Mark Morgan





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Date: February 2, 2014 8:27:24 PM PST
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From: jfbrewer 2/3/2014 5:27:22 AM



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jfbrewer@...
 

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From: jfbrewer 2/3/2014 5:27:22 AM


MDC B&LE roller bearing trucks w/outside brake hangers

Mike Bradley
 

Years ago when Roundhouse brought out their 3 bay offset hoppers in the B&LE scheme, they supplied a roller bearing (3 visible springs) truck with (simulated) outside brake hangers.  They, more or less, captured the look of the B&LE trucks, although they should have had friction bearing journals.

My question is, I have looked on-line at the Athearn parts list and have not been able to locate just these trucks.  Does anyone know if they are available, and if so, what is the appropriate part number?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
Mike Bradley
NW PA


Re: Santa Fe '37 AAR Prototype Photo Please

Tom Madden
 

Richard can probably give a more complete answer, but according to the Santa Fe Boxcar book by John Dobyne, your only candidates are the 1500 cars of class Bx-27 delivered in 1937. They had the 1937 10'-0" IH body with square corners but were equipped with Duryea underframes. (Speedwitch offered a kit for the Bx-26, a 9'-7" IH car with the same underframe.)


All had raised panel roofs, ASF double truss trucks and wood roof walks. They were also delivered before the Santa Fe specified slogans and maps on new boxcars, so only Bx-27 repaints would have those. There are two builders photos in the cited book, but it's long out of print and commands ridiculous prices in the secondary market. Except for the underframe it's a plain vanilla car.


Tom Madden


Santa Fe '37 AAR Prototype Photo Please

twinstarcars
 

I am looking for a prototype picture of the Red Caboose '37 40' AAR box car. Which roof walk would they have had in 1958? Also wondering if they ever had the Viking roof?


Thanks,
Ross


Re: Another request for guidance on paint

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks, will do
Fenton Wells


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...> wrote:
 

Yes, it work for me on MM enamels  but do please test first. Paint companies occasionally tweak their recipes so compatibility is not always a constant.

If you are using lacquer thinners only mix up enough for what you need and don't return the thinned paint to the jar as the paint sometimes turns into jello if a thinned brew is mixed back in

Aidrian


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Aidrian,  So I could use the lacquer thinner I already have to thin and clean up?  I use the lacquer thinner with the Floquil lacquers  that I have sprayed with for years.
Fenton Wells






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Re: Trucks for B&O M-53

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Thanks Richard!

 

With Brian Leppert getting close to retirement (damn!), it suddenly stuck me that, while we now have a great variety of trucks available from multiple sources, I have no idea which of these many trucks are correct for the 60+ resin freight car kits that I have to build. Brian mentioned in his latest announcement that his 40-ton ARA trucks with Barber Lateral Motion devices  were used on cars from the C&NW, DL&W, NP, and SL-SF. Okay...I have some kits representing those lines. But do my kits need those particular trucks? I'll be asking more questions...

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 6:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trucks for B&O M-53

 



On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:



Richard...

 Would the same TMW trucks be correct for the B&O M-15-K?

Jack, the photos I have from the late ‘30s and ‘40s show M-15-Ks with their original M-15 trucks, which were T-section Andrews.  I recently made a pretty reasonable representation of similar trucks on a Santa Fe rebuilt “whale belly” auto car by modifying Kadee’s HO scale Andrews trucks by filing the bolts off the bottoms of the side frames, cutting the lower journal box retaining bars, bending them up so they were horizontal, and joining them to the main side frame castings with fillets made from gap-flling CA.  I’m sending you off-list a scan of an M-15-K photo which shows theAndrews trucks.

 

Richard Hendrickson






Re: Trucks for B&O M-53

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

Richard...

 Would the same TMW trucks be correct for the B&O M-15-K?

Jack, the photos I have from the late ‘30s and ‘40s show M-15-Ks with their original M-15 trucks, which were T-section Andrews.  I recently made a pretty reasonable representation of similar trucks on a Santa Fe rebuilt “whale belly” auto car by modifying Kadee’s HO scale Andrews trucks by filing the bolts off the bottoms of the side frames, cutting the lower journal box retaining bars, bending them up so they were horizontal, and joining them to the main side frame castings with fillets made from gap-flling CA.  I’m sending you off-list a scan of an M-15-K photo which shows theAndrews trucks.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Trucks for B&O M-53

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Richard...

 

Would the same TMW trucks be correct for the B&O M-15-K?

 

Thanks...

 

Jack Burgess

 

In many M53 photos the trucks are almost invisible owing to the deep side sills extending down over them.  In the photos I have where the trucks are at least partly visible, they were 50 ton AAR cast steel with spring planks and Barber lateral motion devices between bolsters and springs.  Tahoe Model Works #109 (or 209 with semi-scale wheel sets) is an exact reproduction of those trucks.

 

Richard Hendrickson


Re: UNO MAS - PROPER TRUCK

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 2, 2014, at 12:38 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

Thank you Richard for the information on the B&O truck. I should 
have noted at the same time that I am seeking information on
the proper truck for the Pennsylvania X-29 boxcar (early version).
Thanks again

Bill, The Pennsylvania 2DF8 truck was used on all X29s, with only a very few exceptions.  The trucks Red Caboose supplied in their X29 kits were correct, and as Intermountain continues to produce the Red Caboose X29s, those trucks may be available from them.  Otherwise, Bowser’s #74277 Truck represents the X29 trucks (though they describe it incorrectly as an “AAR” truck), and Kadee’s #517 also represents the Pennsy trucks.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Photos

Charles Peck
 


Re: Another request for guidance on paint

John Sykes III
 

Yeah, I agree with the majority here.  Use ordinary paint thinner, a/k/a mineral spirits, a/k/a Stoddard's solvent with enamels to get a good glossy finish for decaling.  I have not had success with the so-called environmentally friendly thinners; however, the odorless and high flash point thinners seem to work OK (both are lower in cyclic hydrocarbons).


I do use the cheap medium-drying lacquer thinner for clean-up and use a hot fast-drying automotive lacquer thinner for weathering either with enamel or lacquer because it dries so fast.  I think this causes the enamel to dry flat rather than glossy, but mainly I can handle the model within a minute to apply different colors (e.g., rust first, then grimy black, finishing up with grime or dust highlights).  On the other hand, ScaleCoat I dries glossy with the hot lacquer thinner, so it may be the dilution ratio rather than the dilutant used.


No funky acrylics here!!!


-- John


Re: Hopper bottoms

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Ok, I misinterpreted what you wrote. We are in agreement.
 
Eric N.

Eric

The single Western Steel XM-9 order was in 1904, and the two XM-11 were from Pullman in 1905 (97017-98831) and 1906 (98832-99016) drawing 1612 diagram 7599A.

Regards

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 7:43 a.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Photos




I'm showing only one single CB&Q order with WSC&F for 1,000 cars numbered 95000-95999 rather than three different series.

Pullman lot 5098 built for Ralston in 1-05 was a combination stock, coal & box car.

GN had over 8,000 drop bottom box cars.

There was a strong interest in multi-purpose cars ca. 1905. The only viable design to come out the the many was the GS gondola.

Even back in 1895, the P&R developed the multi-pupose HKa. It had a hopper bottom for easy unloading of coal, but also a largely flat floor for handling lumber, etc. or the return trip. It was in production for about 7 years

Eric N.

Chuck

CB&Q had three series of hopper bottom boxcars built in 1904 by Western Steel (XM-9), and 1905-1906 by Pullman (XM-11), all with lumber doors. The hoppers were removed in 1917.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 5:42 a.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photos





The C&EI car seems unusual (was tempted to say unique) as it seems to be a drop bottom boxcar. It appears

there is a lumber door open on the far end.  Add roof hatches and a ventilated door to have your "all-purpose"

freight car.  Anyone have info on similar cars?

Chuck Peck



Re: Rapido Reefer

 

Mark,

I got a chuckle from your note as I read it just after exiting the Train Station with my new Hormel Meat Reefer. 

I'm local, but it was their Facebook page that got me to visit for that specific purpose (that and to see if they had the Accurail Big Four 41' Gon three pack - they did). 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Feb 1, 2014, at 6:36 PM, <bnonut@...> wrote:

Greetings, just arrived from Columbus Ohio, saw the grandsons. Most of all The TrainStation has some of the reefers yet! Purchased two. They do ship so you might want to call first and they are on Facebook too!

Phone 614-262-9056

Mark Morgan


Re: Another request for guidance on paint

John Barry
 

Fenton,

I would recommend not using lacquer thinner with enamel paints. Stick with mineral spirits.  They should be less expensive and much more compatible.  The lacquer thinner can attack styrene and unless you are priming a plastic model, you can end up with a very squishy blob. I've used Model Master on aircraft for years thinned from a quart of generic mineral spirits.  No problems.  That first Floquil that I didn't know to prime different story.  Live and learn. 
 
John Barry




ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights




707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Another request for guidance on paint

 
Yes, it work for me on MM enamels  but do please test first. Paint companies occasionally tweak their recipes so compatibility is not always a constant.

If you are using lacquer thinners only mix up enough for what you need and don't return the thinned paint to the jar as the paint sometimes turns into jello if a thinned brew is mixed back in

Aidrian


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
Thanks Aidrian,  So I could use the lacquer thinner I already have to thin and clean up?  I use the lacquer thinner with the Floquil lacquers  that I have sprayed with for years.
Fenton Wells






Re: Photos

Riverboy
 

Hi Group.

I somehow lost the photo link for the car in discussion here. Could someone please repot it? It sounds like a very interesting car.

Thanks.

Tod Dwyer (Ohio) 
 

From: Schuyler Larrabee
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Photos
 
Sounds like a good guess. Thanks.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charles Peck
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 3:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Photos

Schuyler, I would guess that the chains would be used to fasten through the
drop-bottom handwheels

to prevent loosening during transit.

Chuck Peck

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Re: Another request for guidance on paint

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

Yes, it work for me on MM enamels  but do please test first. Paint companies occasionally tweak their recipes so compatibility is not always a constant.

If you are using lacquer thinners only mix up enough for what you need and don't return the thinned paint to the jar as the paint sometimes turns into jello if a thinned brew is mixed back in

Aidrian


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Aidrian,  So I could use the lacquer thinner I already have to thin and clean up?  I use the lacquer thinner with the Floquil lacquers  that I have sprayed with for years.
Fenton Wells




Re: Photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Sounds like a good guess. Thanks.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charles Peck
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 3:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Photos





Schuyler, I would guess that the chains would be used to fasten through the
drop-bottom handwheels

to prevent loosening during transit.

Chuck Peck


Re: Photos

Charles Peck
 

Schuyler, I would guess that the chains would be used to fasten through the drop-bottom handwheels
to prevent loosening during transit.  
Chuck Peck

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