Date   

Sunshine Models 32' trailers on EBay

Bill McCoy
 

I have just listed on EBay 2 Sunshine Models 32' Fruehauf trailer kits, 82.3,  Overnite, and 82.4,  Smiths Transfer, NIB

 

Bill McCoy

Strasburg, PA


Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Also, for a single, printed source for boxcar information, including lots of photos, one of the primo sources is Ted Culotta’s Reference Manuals, especially the boxcar volume.

 

http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/steam-era-freight-cars-reference-manual-volume-one/

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:00 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

 

 

I don’t recall seeing any mention of the Steam Era Freight Cars website.  There is a lot of very useful information there and the technical backbone to continue to build, but I don’t know if anything is still being actively added.  Rob Adams?  What’s up with the site?

 

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/

 

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Brian carlson
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

 

 

I guess I don't fully understand the need, or more correctly I see two separate goals.
One is a desire to create a grand database of information from a scholarly standpoint. This would be very involved and something that would take a long time.
The second is more specific. I need to model a specific car at a specific time for my layout. This request is easily and often handled by this list. Many list members have personally helped me over the years. Also, as freight car lovers most of us have library's and magazines. Roughly 2 RPCs a year, RMJ back issues from train life, RMC Essential Freight Cars, add in some other society books such as the ATSF and PFE Reefer books, SP and ATSF boxcar books, online ezines like TKM, ACL/SCL and others, Jim Hayes sunshine site, terry Link's site, and Rob S PRR site you can create a nice freight car library without much effort. I'd post links to these sites but I'm on my phone. Granted some books like Metcalfe's UP book are tough to find. But as Greg Martin says feed your head. But if you don't have the info ask they list and someone will have the answer. Before Neo messed up the archives the archives were like a wiki.
Brian Carlson.


Re: C&WC auto box

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Note that the car is marked 40-6, built 1-19 and rebuilt 11-40. These are all the clues needed to determine that it is probably nee C&WC 8000-8299 built by ACF as a double sheathed USRA box car and rebuilt into an auto car in series 9000-9146.
 
The dividend for me was getting a month-year built for the C&WC series. ACF built this design at three different locations, each with a different lot number: 8571, 8572, and 8589. Unfortunately, not all the cars built (including C&WC 8000-8299) have been connected with a particular location. At least the 1-19 built date seems to rule out 8589 for C&WC.
 
Eric N.
 
 

 

this car looks like a 40 foot dsxm, rebuilt into a 50 footer, in
length,
and raised to a 10'6" height, anyone have any info on it?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/charleston-and-western-carolina-
box-car-9103-automobile;rad

thanks
mel perry


Re: C&WC auto box

earlyrail
 


8a
C&WC auto box
Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:21 pm (PST) . Posted by:
clipper841@att.net
this car looks like a 40 foot dsxm, rebuilt into a 50 footer, in
length,
and raised to a 10'6" height, anyone have any info on it?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/charleston-and-western-carolina-
box-car-9103-automobile;rad
From the October 1958 ORER

series 9000-9146 40'6", 9'2", 10'4", 3836 cu ft, 80000cpy 124 cars in series

Howard Garner

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Re: BS box car... more info please!

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

It also has a flat plate roof (internal carlines). P-S lot 5541.
 
Eric N.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] BS box car... more info please!

 


Is this an AAR 1937 box car with flat plate riveted ends?
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/birmingham-southern-railway-boxcar-325;rad

Tim O'Connor


Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I don’t recall seeing any mention of the Steam Era Freight Cars website.  There is a lot of very useful information there and the technical backbone to continue to build, but I don’t know if anything is still being actively added.  Rob Adams?  What’s up with the site?

 

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/

 

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Brian carlson
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

 

 

I guess I don't fully understand the need, or more correctly I see two separate goals.
One is a desire to create a grand database of information from a scholarly standpoint. This would be very involved and something that would take a long time.
The second is more specific. I need to model a specific car at a specific time for my layout. This request is easily and often handled by this list. Many list members have personally helped me over the years. Also, as freight car lovers most of us have library's and magazines. Roughly 2 RPCs a year, RMJ back issues from train life, RMC Essential Freight Cars, add in some other society books such as the ATSF and PFE Reefer books, SP and ATSF boxcar books, online ezines like TKM, ACL/SCL and others, Jim Hayes sunshine site, terry Link's site, and Rob S PRR site you can create a nice freight car library without much effort. I'd post links to these sites but I'm on my phone. Granted some books like Metcalfe's UP book are tough to find. But as Greg Martin says feed your head. But if you don't have the info ask they list and someone will have the answer. Before Neo messed up the archives the archives were like a wiki.
Brian Carlson.


Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

It seems to me this STMFC Yahoo Group is the one stop info shop everyone is talking about.  I have yet to see someone post a question asking for correct prototype information and not getting a half-dozen response by the next day.  Factor in the archives and what else is left wanting?   

 

Mark Rossiter

 


C&WC auto box

clipper841@...
 

this car looks like a 40 foot dsxm, rebuilt into a 50 footer, in length,
and raised to a 10'6" height, anyone have any info on it?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/charleston-and-western-carolina- box-car-9103-automobile;rad

thanks
mel perry


Re: BS box car... more info please!

al_brown03
 

BS 300-399 were built in 1937 by Pullman-Standard; they shared some features with the '37 AAR standard box, but also had the old-fashioned flat end, and were built with unusual plate-steel doors with the locking mechanism in a recessed panel. There's a builder's photo in TS CYC 17 ('43 CBC), p 121. The plate doors were apparently very light: the original light weight was only 39,600 lbs, about halfway between the light weights of a "PS-0" and a standard '37 AAR car. The Vancouver photo, taken in '53, shows seven-panel Superior doors (retrofitted?) and a light weight of 44,400 lbs. These cars are discussed on the RPI site and in MRG 2/87 p 7.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: defect card holder in HO scale?

Michael Watnoski
 

Amazing Brian, you got it right.  These are still available.  Write me at this address for a full listing of my products.

freestatesystems1@...

Michael Watnoski
Free State Systems


On 2/26/2014 10:54 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Michael Watnoski (think I botched the last name) made some years ago. Free state Systems. Couldn’t find a website.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:



 


has anyone done an etched part to represent the defect car holder
(I think that's what it is) seen on the 4th panel from the left on
this B&LE box car?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/bessemer-and-lake-erie-railway-boxcar-81604;rad

Tim O'Connor

 



Re: Different question about RE: defect card holder in HO scale?

Brian Carlson
 

That’s the B&LE Car Class.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Different question about RE: [STMFC] defect card holder in HO scale?

 

 

Why is this car labeled "XM5" as a car type?

Schuyler



Different question about RE: defect card holder in HO scale?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Why is this car labeled "XM5" as a car type?



Schuyler



From: Tim O'Connor




has anyone done an etched part to represent the defect car holder
(I think that's what it is) seen on the 4th panel from the left on
this B&LE box car?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/bessemer-and-lake-erie-railway-boxcar-816
04;rad

Tim O'Connor


Re: defect card holder in HO scale?

Brian Carlson
 

Michael Watnoski (think I botched the last name) made some years ago. Free state Systems. Couldn’t find a website.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:



 


has anyone done an etched part to represent the defect car holder
(I think that's what it is) seen on the 4th panel from the left on
this B&LE box car?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/bessemer-and-lake-erie-railway-boxcar-81604;rad

Tim O'Connor

 


BAR fresh from the factory

Tim O'Connor
 

were these cars on their delivery run from Pacific Car & Foundry?
could they have traveled via Vancouver, Canada to Maine for delivery?
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/bangor-and-aroostook-boxcar-2344;rad

Tim O'


Re: defect card holder in HO scale?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Tim:

I believe that this (or a very similar version)  was don and included in the X-3 (?) tank car kits
from Sunshine.  I recall using one on an Overland tank car.  I don't believe that they were ever 
sold separately.

Bill Pardie

On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

 


has anyone done an etched part to represent the defect car holder
(I think that's what it is) seen on the 4th panel from the left on
this B&LE box car?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/bessemer-and-lake-erie-railway-boxcar-81604;rad

Tim O'Connor



BS box car... more info please!

Tim O'Connor
 

Is this an AAR 1937 box car with flat plate riveted ends?
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/birmingham-southern-railway-boxcar-325;rad

Tim O'Connor


defect card holder in HO scale?

Tim O'Connor
 

has anyone done an etched part to represent the defect car holder
(I think that's what it is) seen on the 4th panel from the left on
this B&LE box car?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/bessemer-and-lake-erie-railway-boxcar-81604;rad

Tim O'Connor


Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

Brian Carlson
 

I guess I don't fully understand the need, or more correctly I see two separate goals.
One is a desire to create a grand database of information from a scholarly standpoint. This would be very involved and something that would take a long time.
The second is more specific. I need to model a specific car at a specific time for my layout. This request is easily and often handled by this list. Many list members have personally helped me over the years. Also, as freight car lovers most of us have library's and magazines. Roughly 2 RPCs a year, RMJ back issues from train life, RMC Essential Freight Cars, add in some other society books such as the ATSF and PFE Reefer books, SP and ATSF boxcar books, online ezines like TKM, ACL/SCL and others, Jim Hayes sunshine site, terry Link's site, and Rob S PRR site you can create a nice freight car library without much effort. I'd post links to these sites but I'm on my phone. Granted some books like Metcalfe's UP book are tough to find. But as Greg Martin says feed your head. But if you don't have the info ask they list and someone will have the answer. Before Neo messed up the archives the archives were like a wiki.
Brian Carlson.


Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...>
 

Completely agree, Alex, and I 100% agree that a standardized database of North American Rolling Stock would be extremely useful. Yes, historical society websites are generally helpful but often they are just the start of a lengthy search for information about one car. Trying to add one era specific, correctly painted and lettered car to your railroad which is not your primary railroad of interest can be exhausting. Very few of us have the inclination to spend significant time (or money) just to find info on that one car. Once we hit the info wall, most of us modelers simply to turn right or left to find something similar but which is easier to find data regarding. The result of this is that a relatively small sampling of rolling stock shows up frequently on model RR rosters while many very interesting cars which could be modeled are under represented. This is sometimes not because a model isn't available but because the correctness of the paint schemes or lettering on the car cannot be easily verified so it is passed over.
    

Jeff
jppellas@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Schneider
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...



In ancient times when we communicated on dead trees, there were two rudimentary sources of information for "off line" road information:  the NMRA data sheets, and guidebooks by decal manufacturers Walthers and Champ. Somewhat later CDS dry transfers provided a similar reference for the cars they offered. These gave you a high level view of freight car lettering schemes which could be applied.
 
While the individual road historical societies have much to offer one modeling their road, few of us wish to join as many historical societies as we have off-line roads represented on our layouts.
 
Alex Schneider

From: John Barry <northbaylines@...>
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...



Bill,

The societies are probably the best sources for the info on their roads, but it sure would be nice to have 1. a central location of an index and 2. some modicum of a standard format for presenting the information.  

The first may be obviated by search engines such as google, but having a single starting point sure would simplify things for the modeler.  2 could be difficult given the proclivity of individuals within our hobby to emulate a herd of cats when a common goal is announced.  Yet that is not impossible, NMRA recommended practices and fine scale standards come to mind as examples of degrees of success.  I like Jim's idea of a timeline of visual markers.  He is correct that it is much less useful to those of us not modeling that road if it is not accompanied by example photos though.  Low res images should be good enough to get the idea.  I have a good idea of the fonts, colors and layout used on ATSF or make that A.T. & S.F. before 1939 cars, but where does the Pennsy or SR modeler go to find that detail without spending like Warren Buffet did to obtain his references?  A wiki might be the right answer with the various societies stepping up to maintain the pages for their roads.  This would give us a central location to start with links back to the individual societies for detailed information and would promote both RR history and the folks preserving it. Perhaps if we could get some assistance from the NMRA or a manufacturer to host . . . Stone Soup we'll all have a hearty meal of information if we can just boil these first couple rocks.  If Jim could contribute his GN timeline, we have a similar one that took shape on the SFRM&HS.  Get those of us with photos to illustrate those and we'd have a start.

  
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

From: William Keene <wakeene@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Eras, Paint Schemes and Slogans - the problem ...

 
Hello Group,

I am not sure that we need to have this massive database all in one place. And besides, we already have sources for archiving and maintaining such information. 

Almost every railroad that we model has a historical or modeling society that covers that company. Such a database for the specific railroad would — and I suggest, should — be maintained by that railroad’s respective historical and/or modeling society. 

Let’s keep this simple. Let’s use the resources that are presently available instead of trying to invent a new wheel. 

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Well, I don't think you can put up data that isn't correct, but yes I get the drift that you can put up data without the exceptions.  I am 100% behind the crowd-sourced approach as in fact about the only way this would actually work.  It needs a site and a "curator" and both need to be in it for the long haul.
Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
                           __
 
On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:44 AM, jimbetz wrote:

Bruce (and all),

    I agree with you that this seems like an impossible
task - and disagree at the same time.

                                      ****

  I think that we are our own worst enemies on this one.
By that I mean that we are far too detailed about
"what is correct".  Let me expand on that for a bit ...

                                      ****

  I told you in my post that I could quote you chapter
and verse about what paint schemes were introduced,
and when ... for the GN.  In fact I have created what I
call the "GN Modeler's Timeline" that documents it.
What it lacks, for those not familiar with all things
GN, are the pictures that would make it useful for non-GN
modelers.
  See a sub-page on this site

           http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/
           (Sorry, the way the site is built I can't
            provide a link to the actual page.)

to see what I'm talking about.  If I had included just
a few pictures, such as for the lines where 'changes'
in paint schemes occurred, it would be useful for
others.  Many GN modeler's tell me how useful
they find it.
  I produced this very simply - I went thru all of my GN
books/documents and where ever I saw a date for an
item/picture that was 'significant' ... I put a line in the
spreadsheet.  I worked with the book open and in front
of the computer.
  Yes, of course it took quite a bit of time to produce it
(half a week at most).  But it wasn't hard/difficult work ...
just tedious.  And as new books come out on the GN I
continue to add to it.  And I add generic (non-GN) info
as well (such as when FRA/AAR rules changed).

                                       ****

  My point is - if I do the GN, and someone else
does the SP, and another the ATSF ... you see where
I'm going.  And it doesn't have to be just one guy
doing one RR ... it could be a 'small team'.
  And that it doesn't all have to be created in the
ultimate level of detail at one time.
  For most of us - what we want is "the first cut" of
info ... for roads that are not "ours".  We mostly
know our road ... and are willing to share that
knowledge.

                                   ****

  The big gotcha is not the compilation of the info -
there's lots of guys who can/will provide that ... the
more important thing is to have someone who has
the web skills to design and implement the website
in a way that it can be created, and then accessed,
and also updated/corrected/etc.

  My dream is that the website would be set up so
that guys can submit 'just one data point, with a
picture - at a time'.  More or less the way the
large RR-related picture galleries are created.
  And, probably, that website needs to have some
way for submissions to be "reviewed by our peers".
Or maybe not - perhaps someone else can just
add their version of the info ... or correct my version.
  No, it doesn't escape me that there are funding
issues.  No, I don't think that books are necessarily
perfect/accurate - but they are a darn good place
to start.

                                ****

  If someone out there has the skills to do the "web
development" part of it I say ... let's get started on it!
This can be kept on someone's personal computer
for a while - perhaps even on mine if you ask
nicely.
- Jim Betz

P.S. Bruce, I may be the guy that keeps bringing this
       idea up every year or so.  *G*


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Re: Illinois Central 50' AAR Boxcar

caboose9792@...
 

Looking at my 1945 equipment list:
under the heading "automobile"three classes of steel cars in that range (others in 37xxx and 39xxx)
 
41000- 41499 roofs ends and sides lined, 498 cars 
41500- 41599 roofs ends and sides lined and equipped with 8 tie down chains, 100 cars
44000-44199 sides and ends lined and Evans device height listed as 9'10 1/2" other dimensions the same, 197 cars
 
 
1954 diagram:
41000- 41599 roofs ends and sides lined "some cars specially equipped, some cars 50 ton trucks"
44000-44199 sides and ends lined and Evans device height listed as 9'11" other dimensions the same
 
handbrake: Universal "XL" 1825
doors: Youngstown corrugated
trucks: ACF (AAR)
roof: Rigged riveted type "hutchins"
 
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 2/21/2014 9:13:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, hawk0621@... writes:
The cars were built by GATC (B.O. 2781) in 11-12/1937 as 161501-161700
and 161701-162300. They came with 14'-6" door openings, YSD, Murphy
panel roofs, and 5-5 square-corner Dreadnaught ends. The first 200 cars
had Evans Auto Loaders.

I don't have a 1940 ORER, but they were listed in the July 1938 ORER
with their original 6-digit car numbers. Circa 1941 they were re#
44000-44199 and 41000-41599, respectively. The Jan. 1943 ORER lists the
renumbered cars.

70201 - 70220 of 192688