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Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks
genegreen1942@...
Brake wheel and hand brake in picture are both Ajax.
1. Everyone please bear in mind that Ajax is the only hand brake, from 1926 to the 1980s, that can be identified by brand name alone. 2. Ajax made a point of keeping the same outer housing shape (their word was "envelope") even though the inner mechanisms varied. 3. In the 1980s Ajax found it necessary to change the envelope. Statements 1 and 2 are not literally correct. In the early years Ajax tweaked the envelope some but in HO scale the differences would be barely noticeable. The presence or absence of a release lever, and whether that release lever was long or short would also be a difference noticeable in just about any scale and seldom modeled in any scale. With the hand brakes of any other maker it is not enough to say Equipco or Klasing or whatever. One must also cite a model number to identify a hand brake. BTW, for those who might be interested, over 300 different hand brakes have been identified by more than 20 makers. Geared hand brakes go back to about 1900 even though we tend to think of them as a post-1935 phenomenon. Gene Green
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Tim. I'm aware of Railyard models but Gene shut down 2? Years ago. You think sunshine prices go high check those out. I can't get x79, x58 etc for the guys in the club at reasonable prices for learning. I'll go with cheap F&C for that. My first resin kit was a G22b with Al's "do be afraid" DVD. My point was there is no current maker of modern resin kits. I'll have to look into Cannon but that's beyond this list Brian
On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Brian
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?? Railyard Models resin kits. Quality that blew away anything from Sunshine. Cannon is bringing out hybrid laser kits similar to Shake N Take, but only for post-1960. I saw an astounding variety of great modeling at the Springfield train show a few weeks ago. One area that is very popular is vehicle modeling in HO scale. Those guys literally had 15 or more tables packed with an incredible number of cars, trucks, cranes, trailers, buses, MofW machines, you name it. Also the meets that STMFC guys love may not reflect the tastes of younger modelers, which do tend towards post-1960. And many older modelers love the post-1960 stuff too! My old train club used to buy subscriptions to Trains and Model Railroader for the town's high school library. Try it yourself -- You might get some poor unsuspecting kids hooked! But as Jerry pointed out, aren't we all having too much fun to worry about it? Tim O'
I should also mention. I'll be doing a resin building clinic for some of our interested club members too, so I hope to convert some. I only wish there were resin kits for some modern cars as some of the guys prefer modern stuff that existed after this list.
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Marty McGuirk
Of course, you might simply be going to the "wrong" shows. A lot of the shows I go to have a much younger contingent of very enthusiastic - and skilled - modelers. And I'm not talking about young parents taking the kiddies out to see Thomas….
Of course, if you're talking about an NMRA event I agree - it's getting a little too easy to confuse some of them with a nursing home. Younger people are simply not "joiners" - they interact with others of like interest through means other than the Elks Club, VFW, and, yes, the NMRA. Marty McGuirk
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Wrecked boxcar on flat car
Richard Townsend
I am deep into my open loads period and am looking for prototype photos of wrecked steam-era boxcars on steam era flat cars. Any suggestions?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Pierre was always one of our best customers. However, we had one
builder who would order 100 kits at a time and put the built models on
consignment in a large hobby shop. He died suddenly and his unbuilt kits
flooded the market. We had a few lean months when that happened. – Al
Westerfield
From: Pierre Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine resale values..
While that assessment is supported by a quick glance
at one or two shows, I suspect that the reality is a little different.
This hobby today is nothing like the hobby was in the mid 70s when I worked in a hobby shop. And I suspect that in 5-10 years it will have evolved again. Fewer younger people go out to the shows. Fewer people are buying magazines, but I have no trouble selling my services and products. I submit that the "younger" people who are practicing this dark art of model railroading are just doing it differently. Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.comOn 3/4/2014 4:35 PM, Armen Premo wrote:
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
I should also mention. I'll be doing a resin building clinic for some of our interested club members too, so I hope to convert some. I only wish there were resin kits for some modern cars as some of the guys prefer modern stuff that existed after this list. Brian Carlson.
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Let's not go into the hobby is dying discussion again please? Next up will be the IC banana topic or freight car distribution. The mean age in my club is actually dropping for the first time in Ages with three new members, two twenty something's and one in his thirty's. I'm not the young guy anymore (40) but hope to have 40 years left in me. Local hobby shops are a dying breed but that has more to do with consumer habits than hobbyists. Brian Carlson.
On Mar 4, 2014, at 4:35 PM, "Armen Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
While that assessment is supported by a
quick glance at one or two shows, I suspect that the reality is a
little different.
This hobby today is nothing like the hobby was in the mid 70s when I worked in a hobby shop. And I suspect that in 5-10 years it will have evolved again. Fewer younger people go out to the shows. Fewer people are buying magazines, but I have no trouble selling my services and products. I submit that the "younger" people who are practicing this dark art of model railroading are just doing it differently. Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.comOn 3/4/2014 4:35 PM, Armen Premo wrote:
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Armand Premo
Just picked up a 1976 copy of
MR at a train show.I came home and compared it to the current issue.The
size and scope plus the current number of remaining hobby shops tends to
indicate that the patient is on life support.Most of the attendees at the show
all seemed to be ready for nursing homes or assisted living facilities.Armand
Premo
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
asychis@...
But Allen,
If you are dead and buried, why would a loss of interest in transition era
modeling be of any concern at all? This is a curious thread. We have
a lot of kits out there, and others still being produced by Westerfield et al.,
yet we bemoan the "end of kit building." I guess we must have too much of
a really good thing, and can't accept the fact that life is good right now, and
for years to come for transition-era resin kit builders. I cannot for the
life of me think of another craft-type hobby where people complain that they can
have too much available. I ain't never had too much fun!
Jerry Michels
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Clark Propst
Well, it’s not that I want/need any Sunshine kits. If it’s anything, it’s a
‘haves verse have nots’ thing.
The ‘have nots’ would be a friend that’s a FtDDM&S modeler and would
dearly love one of those little MoP rebuilt box cars the FtDDM&S picked up
used. He’s the kind of guy that’d probably pay well above list for one too. He’s
too busy with his layout to build resin kits, so if he ever found one I’d end up
building it... A win, win for both of us. He’d get his representative freight
car and I’d have the frustration...I mean...pleasure of building it. It’s all
about the play value for your money.
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Matt
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I had lunch with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we had a good discussion on his current project building old Walthers wood freight car kits. Modeling is about doing what you like doing. And yeah I still build old Athearn kits -- I build them better than Athearn does! Tim O'
On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...
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Re: Working with dry transfer decals.
michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
Very thorough and helpful description of their application, Doug. I have used Clover House dry transfers for years, particularly their chalk marks, and find them wonderful.
Michael Gross La Cañada, CA
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
Dave Nelson
I agree with Clark that the hobby is not going away (nor is the resin market going to go away) but “The Hobby” is changing. I look at those (very nicely done) meat reefers that were introduced recently and wonder, at $40/car, how many are being sold to new entrants to HO scale? HO used to be rather inexpensive but that’s all changed and it seems that only the more mature people – those at their prime income earning years or those who have accumulated a roster over decades – are actually in the market to buy anything. Long term, IMO, the demographics just don’t look that promising.
OTOH, outside of HO Scale (And O, N, etc., etc.) I’m finding considerable satisfaction in V-Scale (V for virtual) in rail simulators. The cost differential relative to physical model railroading is staggeringly better and should anyone take the time to learn 3d CAD you can make any freight car for which you’ve got dimensional data and images. And once in CAD making copies takes a second at zero cost… and zero cost is what a lot of these models go for when posted to exchange forums. Hard to beat. I see a lot of teens and 20 years olds in the various SIM forums and AFAIK most of the older guys are there because they cannot afford physical model railroading – either cost is too high or space too small.
It’s obviously not the same as physical model railroading but consider when N scale was introduced it was obviously not the same as HO but it claimed its own fans and established its own niche and therefore its arrival and success did have an effect upon the HO market.
My point is the market for HO scale goods has shifted over the past 20-30 years and IMO will continue to shift to ever smaller runs at ever higher prices. IMO Resin kits will still have a viable place there because they can easily address the niche models. But for those who get priced out by the trend but still want to do model railroading there will be an alternative in Simulators that fits the cost / space bill and to whatever degree others who do/did buy goods (like myself) move that way it will have a bearing on what happens to pricing in the physical model markets.
FWIW, I still occasionally buy resin and I still enjoy building them but I’ll never bother with a layout.
Dave Nelson
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:46 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine resale values.. The hobby’s not going away, nor is the resin market Clark Propst
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Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
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Looks like it (and the brake platform) might be
Morton. Shadows suggest perforations and end of running board seems to have a C
shape ruling out Apex and Blaw-Knox.
Eric N.
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Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks
Ed Hawkins
On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:39 AM, <twinstarcars@...> wrote:
Can someone with better eyes and knowledge tell me which running board is on this car? The brake wheel appears to be Ajax.Ross, The 600 WP 40' PS-1s built in lot 8027 (20801-21400) all came with Ajax hand brakes and Morton running boards & brake steps. Regarding the trucks, I'm late in replying to the discussion. Photos I have of the original 20 aluminum-painted cars 20801-20820 that were renumbered 19501-19520 ca. 1/54 show at least a partial mixture of A-3 Ride Control and Chrysler trucks. Photos of 20803 and 20807 (Pullman builder photo) before the renumbering have Chrysler trucks as do renumbered cars 19507 and 19510. A photo of 19512 has A-3 Ride Control trucks as were found on all the regular freight cars in series 20821-21400. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Working with dry transfer decals.
Rod Miller
On 3/4/14, 9:06 AM, Norman+Laraine Larkin wrote:
As an aside, dry transfers work well as paint masks. Paint the surface yourGreat tip. Here's something I learned when applying an NP monad herald. The monad is 3 colors, white, black, and red so you have to put the 2nd and 3rd colors down on top of others. Burnish only where the new color will go, and if you have to burnish over an existing color, try to stay on the new color. Otherwise the existing color can get attached to the dry transfer backing and will be lifted when you pick up the backing. Rod -- Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7 http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com
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Re: Sunshine resale values..
On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...
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(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.) Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio Sent from my mobile
On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Clark People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years... I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just collectors. Tim O' I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless. ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links
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Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks
twinstarcars
Can someone with better eyes and knowledge tell me which running board is on this car? The brake wheel appears to be Ajax.
Thanks, Ross
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