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Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks

genegreen1942@...
 

Brake wheel and hand brake in picture are both Ajax.

1.  Everyone please bear in mind that Ajax is the only hand brake, from 1926 to the 1980s, that can be identified by brand name alone.  
2.  Ajax made a point of keeping the same outer housing shape (their word was "envelope") even though the inner mechanisms varied.
3.  In the 1980s Ajax found it necessary to change the envelope.

Statements 1 and 2 are not literally correct.   In the early years Ajax tweaked the envelope some but in HO scale the differences would be barely noticeable.  The presence or absence of a release lever, and whether that release lever was long or short would also be a difference noticeable in just about any scale and seldom modeled in any scale.

With the hand brakes of any other maker it is not enough to say Equipco or Klasing or whatever.  One must also cite a model number to identify a hand brake.  BTW, for those who might be interested, over 300 different hand brakes have been identified  by more than 20 makers.  Geared hand brakes go back to about 1900 even though we tend to think of them as a post-1935 phenomenon.

Gene Green


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Brian Carlson
 

Tim. I'm aware of Railyard models but Gene shut down 2? Years ago. You think sunshine prices go high check those out. I can't get x79, x58 etc for the guys in the club at reasonable prices for learning. I'll go with cheap F&C for that. My first resin kit was a G22b with Al's "do be afraid" DVD. My point was there is no current maker of modern resin kits. 

I'll have to look into Cannon but that's beyond this list

Brian 


On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

Brian

??

Railyard Models resin kits. Quality that blew away anything from Sunshine.
Cannon is bringing out hybrid laser kits similar to Shake N Take, but only
for post-1960.

I saw an astounding variety of great modeling at the Springfield train show
a few weeks ago. One area that is very popular is vehicle modeling in HO scale.
Those guys literally had 15 or more tables packed with an incredible number
of cars, trucks, cranes, trailers, buses, MofW machines, you name it.

Also the meets that STMFC guys love may not reflect the tastes of younger
modelers, which do tend towards post-1960. And many older modelers love the
post-1960 stuff too!

My old train club used to buy subscriptions to Trains and Model Railroader
for the town's high school library. Try it yourself -- You might get some poor
unsuspecting kids hooked!

But as Jerry pointed out, aren't we all having too much fun to worry about it?

Tim O'

>I should also mention. I'll be doing a resin building clinic for some of our interested club members too, so I hope to convert some. I only wish there were resin kits for some modern cars as some of the guys prefer modern stuff that existed after this list.
>Brian Carlson.


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

??

Railyard Models resin kits. Quality that blew away anything from Sunshine.
Cannon is bringing out hybrid laser kits similar to Shake N Take, but only
for post-1960.

I saw an astounding variety of great modeling at the Springfield train show
a few weeks ago. One area that is very popular is vehicle modeling in HO scale.
Those guys literally had 15 or more tables packed with an incredible number
of cars, trucks, cranes, trailers, buses, MofW machines, you name it.

Also the meets that STMFC guys love may not reflect the tastes of younger
modelers, which do tend towards post-1960. And many older modelers love the
post-1960 stuff too!

My old train club used to buy subscriptions to Trains and Model Railroader
for the town's high school library. Try it yourself -- You might get some poor
unsuspecting kids hooked!

But as Jerry pointed out, aren't we all having too much fun to worry about it?

Tim O'

I should also mention. I'll be doing a resin building clinic for some of our interested club members too, so I hope to convert some. I only wish there were resin kits for some modern cars as some of the guys prefer modern stuff that existed after this list.
Brian Carlson.


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Marty McGuirk
 

Of course, you might simply be going to the "wrong" shows. A lot of the shows I go to have a much younger contingent of very enthusiastic - and skilled - modelers. And I'm not talking about young parents taking the kiddies out to see Thomas….
Of course, if you're talking about an NMRA event I agree - it's getting a little too easy to confuse some of them with a nursing home. 
Younger people are simply not "joiners" - they interact with others of like interest through means other than the Elks Club, VFW, and, yes, the NMRA. 

Marty McGuirk


Wrecked boxcar on flat car

Richard Townsend
 

I am deep into my open loads period and am looking for prototype photos of wrecked steam-era boxcars on steam era flat cars.  Any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Sunshine resale values..

 

Pierre was always one of our best customers.  However, we had one builder who would order 100 kits at a time and put the built models on consignment in a large hobby shop.  He died suddenly and his unbuilt kits flooded the market.  We had a few lean months when that happened. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:42 PM
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While that assessment is supported by a quick glance at one or two shows, I suspect that the reality is a little different.
This hobby today is nothing like the hobby was in the mid 70s when I worked in a hobby shop. And I suspect that in 5-10 years it will have evolved again. Fewer younger people go out to the shows. Fewer people are buying magazines, but I have no trouble selling my services and products.
I submit that the "younger" people who are practicing this dark art of model railroading are just doing it differently.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 3/4/2014 4:35 PM, Armen Premo wrote:
 
    Just picked up a 1976 copy of MR at a train show.I came home and compared it to the current issue.The size and scope plus the current number of remaining hobby shops tends to indicate that the patient is on life support.Most of the attendees at the show all seemed to be ready for nursing homes or assisted living facilities.Armand Premo
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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine resale values..
 
 

Matt

I had lunch with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we had a good
discussion on his current project building old Walthers wood freight
car kits. Modeling is about doing what you like doing. And yeah I
still build old Athearn kits -- I build them better than Athearn does!

Tim O'

>On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...
>
>(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.)
>
>Matt Goodman
>Columbus, Ohio
>
>Sent from my mobile
>
>On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor mailto:timboconnor@... wrote:
>
>Clark
>
>People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years...
>I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do
>as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like
>building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just
>collectors.
>
>Tim O'
>
>
>> I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless.
>> Clark Propst
>> Mason City Iowa

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Re: Sunshine resale values..

Brian Carlson
 

I should also mention. I'll be doing a resin building clinic for some of our interested club members too, so I hope to convert some. I only wish there were resin kits for some modern cars as some of the guys prefer modern stuff that existed after this list. 
Brian Carlson. 



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Re: Sunshine resale values..

Brian Carlson
 

Let's not go into the hobby is dying discussion again please? Next up will be the IC banana topic or freight car distribution. 
The mean age in my club is actually dropping for the first time in Ages with three new members, two twenty something's and one in his thirty's. I'm not the young guy anymore (40) but hope to have 40 years left in me. Local hobby shops are a dying breed but that has more to do with consumer habits than hobbyists. 
Brian Carlson. 


On Mar 4, 2014, at 4:35 PM, "Armen Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

 

    Just picked up a 1976 copy of MR at a train show.I came home and compared it to the current issue.The size and scope plus the current number of remaining hobby shops tends to indicate that the patient is on life support.Most of the attendees at the show all seemed to be ready for nursing homes or assisted living facilities.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine resale values..

 

Matt

I had lunch with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we had a good
discussion on his current project building old Walthers wood freight
car kits. Modeling is about doing what you like doing. And yeah I
still build old Athearn kits -- I build them better than Athearn does!

Tim O'

>On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...
>
>(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.)
>
>Matt Goodman
>Columbus, Ohio
>
>Sent from my mobile
>
>On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>Clark
>
>People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years...
>I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do
>as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like
>building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just
>collectors.
>
>Tim O'
>
>
>> I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless.
>> Clark Propst
>> Mason City Iowa


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
 

While that assessment is supported by a quick glance at one or two shows, I suspect that the reality is a little different.
This hobby today is nothing like the hobby was in the mid 70s when I worked in a hobby shop. And I suspect that in 5-10 years it will have evolved again. Fewer younger people go out to the shows. Fewer people are buying magazines, but I have no trouble selling my services and products.
I submit that the "younger" people who are practicing this dark art of model railroading are just doing it differently.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 3/4/2014 4:35 PM, Armen Premo wrote:

 

    Just picked up a 1976 copy of MR at a train show.I came home and compared it to the current issue.The size and scope plus the current number of remaining hobby shops tends to indicate that the patient is on life support.Most of the attendees at the show all seemed to be ready for nursing homes or assisted living facilities.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine resale values..

 

Matt

I had lunch with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we had a good
discussion on his current project building old Walthers wood freight
car kits. Modeling is about doing what you like doing. And yeah I
still build old Athearn kits -- I build them better than Athearn does!

Tim O'

>On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...
>
>(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.)
>
>Matt Goodman
>Columbus, Ohio
>
>Sent from my mobile
>
>On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>
>Clark
>
>People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years...
>I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do
>as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like
>building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just
>collectors.
>
>Tim O'
>
>
>> I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless.
>> Clark Propst
>> Mason City Iowa

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Re: Sunshine resale values..

Armand Premo
 

    Just picked up a 1976 copy of MR at a train show.I came home and compared it to the current issue.The size and scope plus the current number of remaining hobby shops tends to indicate that the patient is on life support.Most of the attendees at the show all seemed to be ready for nursing homes or assisted living facilities.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine resale values..

 

Matt

I had lunch with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we had a good
discussion on his current project building old Walthers wood freight
car kits. Modeling is about doing what you like doing. And yeah I
still build old Athearn kits -- I build them better than Athearn does!

Tim O'

>On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...
>
>(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.)
>
>Matt Goodman
>Columbus, Ohio
>
>Sent from my mobile
>
>On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>
>Clark
>
>People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years...
>I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do
>as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like
>building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just
>collectors.
>
>Tim O'
>
>
>> I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless.
>> Clark Propst
>> Mason City Iowa


Re: Sunshine resale values..

asychis@...
 

But Allen,
 
If you are dead and buried, why would a loss of interest in transition era modeling be of any concern at all?  This is a curious thread.  We have a lot of kits out there, and others still being produced by Westerfield et al., yet we bemoan the "end of kit building."  I guess we must have too much of a really good thing, and can't accept the fact that life is good right now, and for years to come for transition-era resin kit builders.  I cannot for the life of me think of another craft-type hobby where people complain that they can have too much available.  I ain't never had too much fun!
 
Jerry Michels


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Clark Propst
 

Well, it’s not that I want/need any Sunshine kits. If it’s anything, it’s a ‘haves verse have nots’ thing.
The ‘have nots’ would be a friend that’s a FtDDM&S modeler and would dearly love one of those little MoP rebuilt box cars the FtDDM&S picked up used. He’s the kind of guy that’d probably pay well above list for one too. He’s too busy with his layout to build resin kits, so if he ever found one I’d end up building it... A win, win for both of us. He’d get his representative freight car and I’d have the frustration...I mean...pleasure of building it. It’s all about the play value for your money.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Tim O'Connor
 

Matt

I had lunch with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we had a good
discussion on his current project building old Walthers wood freight
car kits. Modeling is about doing what you like doing. And yeah I
still build old Athearn kits -- I build them better than Athearn does!

Tim O'

On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...

(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.)

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Clark

People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years...
I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do
as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like
building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just
collectors.

Tim O'


I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Working with dry transfer decals.

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Very thorough and helpful description of their application, Doug.  I have used Clover House dry transfers for years, particularly their chalk marks, and find them wonderful.

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA


Re: Sunshine resale values..

Dave Nelson
 

I agree with Clark that the hobby is not going away (nor is the resin market going to go away) but “The Hobby” is changing.  I look at those (very nicely done) meat reefers that were introduced recently and wonder, at $40/car, how many are being sold to new entrants to HO scale?  HO used to be rather inexpensive but that’s all changed and it seems that only the more mature people – those at their prime income earning years or those who have accumulated a roster over decades – are actually in the market to buy anything.  Long term, IMO, the demographics just don’t look that promising.

 

OTOH, outside of HO Scale (And O, N, etc., etc.) I’m finding considerable satisfaction in V-Scale (V for virtual) in rail simulators.  The cost differential relative to physical model railroading is staggeringly better and should anyone take the time to learn 3d CAD you can make any freight car for which you’ve got dimensional data and images. And once in CAD making copies takes a second at zero cost… and zero cost is what a lot of these models go for when posted to exchange forums.  Hard to beat. I see a lot of teens and 20 years olds in the various SIM forums and AFAIK most of the older guys are there because they cannot afford physical model railroading – either cost is too high or space too small.

 

It’s obviously not the same as physical model railroading but consider when N scale was introduced it was obviously not the  same as HO but it claimed its own fans and established its own niche and therefore its arrival and success did have an effect upon the HO market.

 

My point is the market for HO scale goods has shifted over the past 20-30 years and IMO will continue to shift to ever smaller runs at ever higher prices.  IMO Resin kits will still have a viable place there because they can easily address the niche models.  But for those who get priced out by the trend but still want to do model railroading there will be an alternative in Simulators that fits the cost / space bill and to whatever degree others who do/did buy goods (like myself) move that way it will have a bearing on what happens to pricing in the physical model markets.

 

FWIW, I still occasionally buy resin and I still enjoy building them but I’ll never bother with a layout.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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The hobby’s not going away, nor is the resin market

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Looks like it (and the brake platform) might be Morton. Shadows suggest perforations and end of running board seems to have a C shape ruling out Apex and Blaw-Knox.
 
Eric N.
 

Can someone with better eyes and knowledge tell me which running board is on this car? The brake wheel appears to be Ajax.

Thanks,
Ross


Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks

Ed Hawkins
 

On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:39 AM, <twinstarcars@...> wrote:

Can someone with better eyes and knowledge tell me which running board is on this car? The brake wheel appears to be Ajax.
Ross,
The 600 WP 40' PS-1s built in lot 8027 (20801-21400) all came with Ajax hand brakes and Morton running boards & brake steps.

Regarding the trucks, I'm late in replying to the discussion. Photos I have of the original 20 aluminum-painted cars 20801-20820 that were renumbered 19501-19520 ca. 1/54 show at least a partial mixture of A-3 Ride Control and Chrysler trucks.

Photos of 20803 and 20807 (Pullman builder photo) before the renumbering have Chrysler trucks as do renumbered cars 19507 and 19510. A photo of 19512 has A-3 Ride Control trucks as were found on all the regular freight cars in series 20821-21400.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Working with dry transfer decals.

Rod Miller
 

On 3/4/14, 9:06 AM, Norman+Laraine Larkin wrote:
As an aside, dry transfers work well as paint masks. Paint the surface your
color of choice, apply the transfer (usually lettering), paint the exposed
surface a second color, and once the last coat is dry, apply a piece of
masking tape to the transfer, and carefully peel the tape off with the mask.
The result is a clean and sharp image in your preferred color. Worked really
well with Floquil.
Norm Larkin
Great tip.

Here's something I learned when applying an NP monad herald.
The monad is 3 colors, white, black, and red so you have to
put the 2nd and 3rd colors down on top of others. Burnish
only where the new color will go, and if you have to burnish
over an existing color, try to stay on the new color. Otherwise
the existing color can get attached to the dry transfer
backing and will be lifted when you pick up the backing.

Rod
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Re: Sunshine resale values..

 

On a tangent (albeit related), I stopped over to Dads last night and found him assembling 50 year old Globe and Athearn models. Kits never go bad...

(And they actually look decent in spite of their ancient manufacturing processes.)

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Mar 3, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Clark

People have been predicting the death of model railroading for 50 years...
I think the current generation raised on RTR may decide, as many of us do
as we get older, to try something more interesting and challenging -- like
building prototypical models! That's what makes us modelers, and not just
collectors.

Tim O'


I've thought about what those with stock piles of kits they'll never build are going to do with them? In my opinion, now would be the best time for them to recoup their money. In another 5-10 years I'm afraid the kits will be next to worthless.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


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Re: Kadee order to make WP car with Chrysler trucks

twinstarcars
 

Can someone with better eyes and knowledge tell me which running board is on this car? The brake wheel appears to be Ajax.
Thanks,
Ross

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