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Re: [EXTERNAL] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Eric;

Here is an interesting shot:

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/2682/rec/985

....and the fact that they deliberately call it a "relic"?

Check out those interior brackets, and dual brake wheels...

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars (UNCLASSIFIED)



This was my first thought since they appear to be related to PRR, however I was un able to find any likely number series. 1,000 cars would be hard to hide.

Eric N.




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Eric;

Have you looked into whether or not they were sold to the PRR? Many coal companies that bought PRR class clones did this when economic downturns necessitated sale of assets. PRR rostered many ex-coal company hoppers.

Elden Gatwood

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To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars

Does anyone know where their fleet of 1000+ GL design cars mostly built by PSC in 1902 went? They don't appear to have gone to the coal company successors.

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: [EXTERNAL] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Eric;

I did not educate myself sufficiently on this topic, since the PRR hopper effort was (perhaps) being pursued by other individuals within the PRRT&HS; however, there was some discussion at one time, some of it with Al Westerfield, over the number of hoppers in certain private fleets declining quickly, and the number of cars appearing in the ORERs under PRR ownership growing by roughly that number. If one were to take it on (ORER analysis), I would guess you could hazard some pretty good guesses as to what was happening, and when. I believe there were significant numbers (like thousands) of H21A that went that way, too. The Berwind-White GLA were some of the last cars leased/sold to the PRR, and surprisingly for a late date, the PRR found room on the roster for those small twins.

BTW, where did Ellsworth run these cars/interchange them onto the PRR?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars (UNCLASSIFIED)



This was my first thought since they appear to be related to PRR, however I was un able to find any likely number series. 1,000 cars would be hard to hide.

Eric N.




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Eric;

Have you looked into whether or not they were sold to the PRR? Many coal companies that bought PRR class clones did this when economic downturns necessitated sale of assets. PRR rostered many ex-coal company hoppers.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:19 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars

Does anyone know where their fleet of 1000+ GL design cars mostly built by PSC in 1902 went? They don't appear to have gone to the coal company successors.

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: projects and more projects

John Barry
 

Bill,

Your comments about wish lists are spot on.  The biggest drawback that I see to your business model is in the "skin" step.  There is a significant barrier to entry there wherein a skilled modeler in the real world has to adapt his or her skills to the virtual realm to bring a product to fruition.  There is a steep learning curve with any software program and Solidworks is not cheap, the student version is $150 for a single year licence and you need to be enrolled in a bona fide educational institution to get that price.  What is needed is a technology that will reverse engineer masters built out of regular modeling materials and translate that into the code that runs your CNC machine.  Then the folks that need 150 XYZ triple valves for their box car fleet or 300 sets of Wine Door locks for their hoppers that can build a prototype can bring them into production.  Your a step closer, but I fear the steep SW curve will keep many needed parts and projects from fruition.  For those that have the inclination to add a new skill, even if it takes away from their hobby time, the future looks bright.  Good Luck.  I hope you can generate enough jobs to afford your set up while keeping the prices low enough for those on limited budgets to profit from the fruits of your and the project designer's labors.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682



From: Bill Lane
To: Steam Era Freight cars
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:57 AM
Subject: [STMFC] projects and more projects

 
Enzo & all,
 
We are NOT asking for project anyone’s suggestions because some of the first items made are going to be things WE want. Further we are not likely to ask for suggestions for quite some time – if ever. Any person here has a wish list probably of some very obscure items, and none are going to be the same to each other. We are not chasing down each scale’s missing list and filling every micro-need.
 
What we ARE looking for is these items - however obscure - designed by the person that WANTS them and wants Jackson Standard to make it for them. It is YOU starting your own line of items. In some sense it IS a tall order but I have been making items for my personal use and occasional sale for 8 years now. http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm It is not that difficult. While I have not made a complete car I could have! Also your item does not have to be a complete car. Think of the laundry list of detail parts your particular obsession is missing.
 
The point is - sending emails with a wish is not going to do it. That is WHY your item has not been made yet. You have to get some skin in the game. If you want anything badly enough it can and will happen. We are just providing a LOCAL more modeler friendly place to produce your items.
 
Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
 
See my layout progress at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
 



Re: [EXTERNAL] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

This was my first thought since they appear to be related to PRR, however I was un able to find any likely number series. 1,000 cars would be hard to hide.
 
Eric N.
 

 

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Eric;

Have you looked into whether or not they were sold to the PRR? Many coal companies that bought PRR class clones did this when economic downturns necessitated sale of assets. PRR rostered many ex-coal company hoppers.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:19 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars

Does anyone know where their fleet of 1000+ GL design cars mostly built by PSC in 1902 went? They don't appear to have gone to the coal company successors.

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: [EXTERNAL] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Eric;

Have you looked into whether or not they were sold to the PRR? Many coal companies that bought PRR class clones did this when economic downturns necessitated sale of assets. PRR rostered many ex-coal company hoppers.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:19 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars



Does anyone know where their fleet of 1000+ GL design cars mostly built by PSC in 1902 went? They don't appear to have gone to the coal company successors.

Thanks,
Eric



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Caveats: NONE


projects and more projects

Bill Lane
 

Enzo & all,

 

We are NOT asking for project anyone’s suggestions because some of the first items made are going to be things WE want. Further we are not likely to ask for suggestions for quite some time – if ever. Any person here has a wish list probably of some very obscure items, and none are going to be the same to each other. We are not chasing down each scale’s missing list and filling every micro-need.

 

What we ARE looking for is these items - however obscure - designed by the person that WANTS them and wants Jackson Standard to make it for them. It is YOU starting your own line of items. In some sense it IS a tall order but I have been making items for my personal use and occasional sale for 8 years now. http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm It is not that difficult. While I have not made a complete car I could have! Also your item does not have to be a complete car. Think of the laundry list of detail parts your particular obsession is missing.

 

The point is - sending emails with a wish is not going to do it. That is WHY your item has not been made yet. You have to get some skin in the game. If you want anything badly enough it can and will happen. We are just providing a LOCAL more modeler friendly place to produce your items.

 

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

 

See my layout progress at:

http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

 


Re: Announcement of Jackson Standard

babbo_enzo@...
 

Hi Brian and compliments and best whishes for your venture!
On your site there is no mention of any project ( well, except in "your" S scale section)
I model in N, so ... despite is not strictly a freigth car I've two suggestions:
- N scale SP Whaleback tender ( not existing in this scale )
- N scale Boiler in SP Harriman version with correct domes position and details for the Bachmann Consolidation.
And... an N scale Stock car good for SP too?
If you need drawings ...
Cheers
Enzo Fortuna
SPH&TS R4851
http://enzofortuna.altervista.org/
http://valleybeforesilicon.blogspot.com/
____________________________
http://sp-layouts.blogspot.com/


Re: CRI&P 53' war gons

caboose9792@aol.com <caboose9792@...>
 

Both al kamm jr & sr were modelers and active in the nmra. Sr was a founding member of the nmra while jr is best known for his work at emd @ la grange. Also both worked in o scale. Last time i saw jr he had retired to the far southwest chicago suburbs.

mark rickert
Sent with Verizon Mobile Email

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRI&P 53' war gons

Better yet! Thanks, Andy. Al Kamm had a lot of very creative articles in MR--sort of the Andy Sperandeo of the late 1950's, :-) although I think entirely rolling stock-oriented. Dan Sweeney, Jr. Alexandria, VA


Door identification guide

John Barry
 

Thank you to Richard Hendrickson for the truck identification guide.  Is there such an animal for freight car doors?  I could not find one in the files.  Don't know if it is me, Neo, or lack of info.  It would be a great assist in my education.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Kadee announcement

Tim O'Connor
 

Yippee!! Kadee finally releases all of their HGC trucks w/ .088 wheelsets!
http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/newprod.htm

Tim


Re: CRI&P 53' war gons

Edward
 

According to Al Kamm Jr in his article on building an HO model of a Rock Island covered gondola, the cars were placarded:  "Tinplate Loading.
Return When Empty to Pittsburgh PA  Via Shortest Route."

That might seem to be an odd directive, sending an empty car off line. However it may indicate that Rock Island in the post War late 40s and 1950s assigned these cars to specific on-line customers that used rolled, tinplated steel. Perhaps they were factories making cans of various sizes for the food trade, or even bottle caps for glass containers, such as those made for packaging mayonnaise, ketchup, mustard, salad dressings and baby food.

Steel and glass were primary items used in prepared food containers at that time. Aluminum cans would not appear for another decade or so, as techniques for spinning aluminum sheet into seamless soda pop and beer cans was developed. Plastic food containers, bottle caps and plastic coated tinplate cans we have now took another decade or so to appear after that.

That progress changed the kinds of freight cars used for making such things. In place of covered gondolas carrying tin plated steel and covered hoppers carrying silica and sand for making glass, we now have large capacity covered hoppers carrying plastic pellets of different types for making today's food packaging.

Ed Bommer 


Re: Announcement of Jackson Standard

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/11/2014 6:05 AM, Bill Lane wrote:
We are going to be making quality injection molded model railroad items in all 4 scales popular scales.

    Well Bill I have lots of ideas, how many hours do you have (grin).  Seriously though I have a couple of items I'd like to see but I am of no technical help to you.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: CRI&P 53' war gons

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Better yet!  Thanks, Andy.  Al Kamm had a lot of very creative articles in MR--sort of the Andy Sperandeo of the late 1950's, :-) although I think entirely rolling stock-oriented.
Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA


Re: Announcement of Jackson Standard

richramik@...
 

Congratulations  and Best of Luck!

Rich Ramik
 
 

On 03/11/14, Bill Lane wrote:
 
 

I am very happy to announce the public unveiling of Jackson Standard http://jacksonstandard.com/index.htm We are going to be making quality injection molded model railroad items in all 4 scales popular scales. Best of all the production will be done in the United States.

 

Please give the website a look and contact us with your questions.

 

Thank You,
Brian Jackson & Bill Lane

 


CPR 40-foot DD auto cars

Tony Thompson
 

I have the Sylvan kit for the "1951 CPR auto cars" and see that a choice of ends and doors has to be made. Can anyone summarize which parts were used in which era, or if all were used, which were prevalent, and if need be, appropriate number series? Any help appreciated.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


J.W. Ellsworth Coal GL design cars

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Does anyone know where their fleet of 1000+ GL design cars mostly built by PSC in 1902 went? They don't appear to have gone to the coal company successors.
 
Thanks,
Eric


Re: CRI&P 53' war gons

Andy Sperandeo
 

In fact, Dan,

Al Kamm's 1958 article described an HO model of the covered gon. His car had the early pin-activated Kadee couplers.

So long,

Andy


Announcement of Jackson Standard

Bill Lane
 

I am very happy to announce the public unveiling of Jackson Standard http://jacksonstandard.com/index.htm We are going to be making quality injection molded model railroad items in all 4 scales popular scales. Best of all the production will be done in the United States.

 

Please give the website a look and contact us with your questions.

 

Thank You,
Brian Jackson & Bill Lane

 


Re: CNJ Large Liberty herald

jimbojk2003
 

Bob,
It was 1957.CNJ also did a lot of repairs (patch panels,etc.) on their aging ARA boxcars then too.This is also when they received their new PS-1 boxcars.
Regards,James Cummings


CNJ Large Liberty herald

Bob Weston
 

Hi Guys!
 Can some one tell me when the CNJ started using the large Liberty herald on their boxcars? Thanks!
                                                                                                                        Bob Weston

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