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Re: PS-1 box car brake platform

Ed Hawkins
 

On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:19 PM, <frograbbit602@yahoo.com> wrote:

Current project is a Accurail Lake Superior & Ishpeming PS-1 box car,
number 2465.  A photo of same series car, number 2455, can be found in
"Freight Car Models," BOX CARS....BOOK 1, p. 103.  After cutting off
the molded on brake platform I looked for the dimension for the depth
of the of the platform from the face of the car.   I looked
at Mainline Modeler, December 1982 issue with an article that has PS-1
data and research by Todd Sulliivan; however, the brake platform
dimensions are  not given.   Can someone please help with these
dimensions.   Thank You in advance.
Lester,
Brake steps on PS-1 box cars were specialty items furnished by one of
several suppliers, usually the same company that made the running
boards.

In the case of LS&I 2400-2489, built ca. 8-52, they received U.S.
Gypsum expanded metal brake steps. For my article about running boards
and brake steps published in RP CYC Volume 16, U.S.G. brake steps used
in the early 1950s were typically 9.5" x 30" x 1 5/16". It's always
possible that a specific order may have received brake steps of a
slightly different size.

A drawing of a U.S.G. expanded metal brake step is shown on page 408 of
the 1953 Car Builders' Cyclopedia.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


PS-1 box car brake platform

frograbbit602
 

Hello All,

Current project is a Accurail Lake Superior & Ishpeming PS-1 box car, number 2465.  A photo of same series car, number 2455, can be found in "Freight Car Models," BOX CARS....BOOK 1, p. 103.  After cutting off the molded on brake platform I looked for the dimension for the depth of the of the platform from the face of the car.   I looked at Mainline Modeler, December 1982 issue with an article that has PS-1 data and research by Todd Sulliivan; however, the brake platform dimensions are  not given.   Can someone please help with these dimensions.   Thank You in advance.

Lester Breuer



Re: Fenton needs help (what's new) Detail Associates 6416

O Fenton Wells
 

That would be great.  Thanks and how much?  I'll get a check out and if you could mail them that would be great.
Fenton


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM, <billnlargo@...> wrote:
 

Fenton-

I have a couple sets of DA SS-6416 I will be glad to sell you.

Bill Adam

billnlargo at yahoo dot com




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Re: Fenton needs help (what's new) Detail Associates 6416

Bill Adam
 

Fenton-

I have a couple sets of DA SS-6416 I will be glad to sell you.

Bill Adam

billnlargo at yahoo dot com


Ulrich WE gons (Was CRI&P 53' war gons)

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Richard and Ben,
No apologies necessary.  Your willingness to share your knowledge and ideas is much appreciated, and if in doing so you make one mistake, it is certainly compensated for by the 10,001 times each of you has been helpful to us all.
Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA


Re: Revell gondolas

Charles Tapper
 

The Revell/ConCor gon is may actually be based on a C&O car. I bought a few of these a long while ago to convert and I have some partially done. I was actually interested in trying to use most of them to build a few of the riveted PRR G31 classes and a pair of C&O cars, the latter having the Armco nailable steel floors as modeled in the car. The class was C&O 31600-31799 per Al Kresse, Jr.'s volume on C&O hopper and gondola cars.
 
Archer decals will make it easier to repair the damaged rivets from changing the lower fishbelly contour than the method I was planning on using. Still a whole lot of work to make the cars up to snuff (no interior detail, needs new ends, needs a new underframe, gussets to be removed etc.). And the car is a bit narrow.
 
Ultimate inspiration was Darnaby's article in MR.
 
Charlie Tapper


On Friday, March 14, 2014 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor
 

One aspect of Revell's gondola was the beautifully rendered Nailable Steel Floor, which NONE of the
current crop of models comes anywhere near close to.

And if you want to model a fixed-end PRR gondola, I'd cut up a Revell body before I would trash the
Tangent model.

Tim O'Connor



Ben,
 
    Reading that you were looking at 2 Revell gons, I have a few purchased long ago. Ikept only the body shell,hoping to rebuild everything else to make a nice Pennsy G31. However, Tangent Models came out with their beautiful models of the PRR G31(and similar cars of other roads) so I bought a bunch. My question is-Is it still worth rebuilding the Revell cars,if only for some other road??
 
Vince Altiere



Re: BLI USRA steel box cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 10, 2014, at 11:21 AM, devans1@... wrote:

Richard,
Your post is very intriguing - I too may have been working under a mistaken impression.
Is there any info on the re-roofing rate for these cars? Curious what percentage had the new roofs through the WWII period.

Were the cars renumbered as they went through the re-build process? If so, with old roof/new roof numbering plans, I may be able to figure out percentages from the ORER's.
Many Thanks,
Dave Evans

Dave, I’ve spent quite a bit of time with my ORERs and NYC diagram books trying answer this question without success.  It was certainly true that the cars were renumbered, and those assigned to subsidiaries like the Michigan Central, Big Four, etc. were integrated into the overall NYC fleet, during the same period that the cars were being re-roofed.  So far, however,  I haven’t been able to find any correlation between renumbering and re-roofing.  

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Revell gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 


One aspect of Revell's gondola was the beautifully rendered Nailable Steel Floor, which NONE of the
current crop of models comes anywhere near close to.

And if you want to model a fixed-end PRR gondola, I'd cut up a Revell body before I would trash the
Tangent model.

Tim O'Connor



Ben,
 
    Reading that you were looking at 2 Revell gons, I have a few purchased long ago. Ikept only the body shell,hoping to rebuild everything else to make a nice Pennsy G31. However, Tangent Models came out with their beautiful models of the PRR G31(and similar cars of other roads) so I bought a bunch. My question is-Is it still worth rebuilding the Revell cars,if only for some other road??
 
Vince Altiere


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Revell gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

steel77086@...
 

Elden'
 
    Thanks for the quick reply !! I have the TKM issue you referred to,and I agree it's probably not worth all the work involved to modify this car for the PRR. However, I will look into the possibility of doing a C&O version.Unfortunately it will have to wait in line behind a dozen or so other projects.
 
Vince Altiere
 

In a message dated 3/14/2014 11:52:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elden.j.gatwood@... writes:
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Vince;

I did a bunch of Revell bashes back in the nineties and early 2000's (G31, G31A, G31B, G31D), and Jack Consoli did a beautiful bash to a G31C.  We covered all of them in TKM. 

They just don't compare well to the Tangent car, even with all the tweaks. 

Since the Revell car has rivets, but the wrong rib width on some of the ribs, you can shave off and replace those ribs and could add Archer rivets to get a G31C or G31E (with end replacement to fixed and on the E). 

The car the Revell gon is actually closest to is a C&O car, for which the sides are pretty much on.  The car is, however, 9" narrower than prototype, which I lived with on some of my cars; your call.  The ends can be dramatically improved by sawing them out and replacing with ends from the P2K Greenville gon, since they supplied extras.  You will recognize the C&O car when you see it.  Have fun!

Elden Gatwood

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Ben,

    Reading that you were looking at 2 Revell gons, I have a few purchased long ago. Ikept only the body shell,hoping to rebuild everything else to make a nice Pennsy G31. However, Tangent Models came out with their beautiful models of the PRR G31(and similar cars of other roads) so I bought a bunch. My question is-Is it still worth rebuilding the Revell cars,if only for some other road??

Vince Altiere

In a message dated 3/13/2014 10:41:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, b.hom@... writes:

    Al Westerfield wrote:
    "When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at
    Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each
    other."
   
    ...and not too well either.  One wonders where we'd be if Athearn's models were better - it would have certainly improved the quality of the [fill in the blank] knockoffs.  (Ironically, some of the knockoffs were better than the original Athearn models.)
   
    Related note: Found what appeared to be two Revell gons while rummaging through a hobby shop bargain bin in Newport News earlier this week.  Upon closer examination, one of them turned out to be a Fleischmann copy of the Revell gon.
   
   
    Ben Hom
   
   
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Last Call-HO PFE Orange Hardware R-40-21 kits

Andy Carlson
 


Hello,

Below is a re-post from earlier. I am now down to the last 13 sets of parts for the Orange Hardware R-40-21 PFE ice bunker reefer. I have no source to get anymore now, or after these are sold.

*********
My friend Terry Wegmann died over 2 years ago. Among his many accomplishments, was his own-tooled styrene Pacific Fruit Express wood sided/steel end/roof rebuilt R-40-18 thru R-40-21 ice bunker refrigerator cars.
I have a few remaining sets of parts for this large class of PFE reefer cars. Terry designed the tooling to allow the builder to make a finished car without having to do any masking. The earlier black hardware car kits I have sold out sometime ago. The orange hardware kits have the following:

Ends, roof, brake and detail sprues cast in a mineral brown color. The ladders and sides are cast in orange plastic, as are the Delrin centered side sill steps. The car side is cast in Orange and has the top fascia cast in place, simplifying painting as mentioned earlier. The roof is molded without the fascia, a departure from the black hardware tooling. The underfloor, and frame are cast in black styrene. The -21 kits come with fan details, and all kits have pre-bent roof hatch safety grab irons.

As many know, decals (great ones now available from Microscale thanks to the herculean efforts of Dick Harley), couplers, trucks and paint are not included.

I am offering these component sets for $30 each, 1st class shipping included. I may be contacted off-list (Please) at   I accept checks and money orders (No PayPal).
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Revell gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Vince;

I did a bunch of Revell bashes back in the nineties and early 2000's (G31, G31A, G31B, G31D), and Jack Consoli did a beautiful bash to a G31C. We covered all of them in TKM.

They just don't compare well to the Tangent car, even with all the tweaks.

Since the Revell car has rivets, but the wrong rib width on some of the ribs, you can shave off and replace those ribs and could add Archer rivets to get a G31C or G31E (with end replacement to fixed and on the E).

The car the Revell gon is actually closest to is a C&O car, for which the sides are pretty much on. The car is, however, 9" narrower than prototype, which I lived with on some of my cars; your call. The ends can be dramatically improved by sawing them out and replacing with ends from the P2K Greenville gon, since they supplied extras. You will recognize the C&O car when you see it. Have fun!

Elden Gatwood

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Ben,

Reading that you were looking at 2 Revell gons, I have a few purchased long ago. Ikept only the body shell,hoping to rebuild everything else to make a nice Pennsy G31. However, Tangent Models came out with their beautiful models of the PRR G31(and similar cars of other roads) so I bought a bunch. My question is-Is it still worth rebuilding the Revell cars,if only for some other road??

Vince Altiere

In a message dated 3/13/2014 10:41:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, b.hom@att.net writes:

Al Westerfield wrote:
"When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at
Walthers what the ethics of copying was. He said: “We all copy from each
other."

...and not too well either. One wonders where we'd be if Athearn's models were better - it would have certainly improved the quality of the [fill in the blank] knockoffs. (Ironically, some of the knockoffs were better than the original Athearn models.)

Related note: Found what appeared to be two Revell gons while rummaging through a hobby shop bargain bin in Newport News earlier this week. Upon closer examination, one of them turned out to be a Fleischmann copy of the Revell gon.


Ben Hom


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Re: Revell gondolas

steel77086@...
 

Ben,
 
    Reading that you were looking at 2 Revell gons, I have a few purchased long ago. Ikept only the body shell,hoping to rebuild everything else to make a nice Pennsy G31. However, Tangent Models came out with their beautiful models of the PRR G31(and similar cars of other roads) so I bought a bunch. My question is-Is it still worth rebuilding the Revell cars,if only for some other road??
 
Vince Altiere
 

In a message dated 3/13/2014 10:41:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, b.hom@... writes:
Al Westerfield wrote:
"When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at
Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each
other."

...and not too well either.  One wonders where we'd be if Athearn's models were better - it would have certainly improved the quality of the [fill in the blank] knockoffs.  (Ironically, some of the knockoffs were better than the original Athearn models.)

Related note: Found what appeared to be two Revell gons while rummaging through a hobby shop bargain bin in Newport News earlier this week.  Upon closer examination, one of them turned out to be a Fleischmann copy of the Revell gon.


Ben Hom 


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Fenton needs help (what's new) Detail Associates 6416

O Fenton Wells
 

In order to finish a project I need 1 (one) Details Associates 6416 Stirrup step. straight side mount.  I have some on order but if anyone had just one extra that they would send I will pay you back.  Please contact me off line at;  srrfan1401@... and thanks
Fenton Wells


Re: Random PFE Question

Tim O'Connor
 


  Did the R-40-4 and R-40-8 classes have four poling pockets or two?
  David Thompson

 = = = = = = = = = = = = =

David, that's a damn good question, one I never thought about before!

Some PFE cars clearly had two, and others had four. Some originally had
two and later had four (after rebuilding), while others seem to have begun
with four and later had two! But I can't find a single decent photo of the
corners (where the uncoupling lever is found) of either an R-40-4 or an
R-40-8!

Tim O'Connor


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
"When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at
Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each
other."

...and not too well either.  One wonders where we'd be if Athearn's models were better - it would have certainly improved the quality of the [fill in the blank] knockoffs.  (Ironically, some of the knockoffs were better than the original Athearn models.)

Related note: Found what appeared to be two Revell gons while rummaging through a hobby shop bargain bin in Newport News earlier this week.  Upon closer examination, one of them turned out to be a Fleischmann copy of the Revell gon.


Ben Hom


Re: ATSF class TkG

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Thanks for the help from everyone so far.
 
If what George says is correct, it suggests that the 100 cars supposedly built by ACF under lot 4109 were not lettered ATSF or else not TkG class. It appears that they were built, so I'd better start looking. Nothing under the Coast Lines or GC&SF etc. I did think it a bit of a stretch that cars built in 1907 could have been ordered as early as 10-05.
 
Eric

The Santa Fe Society book by Richard Hendrickson and Richard Pelouze says:

PSC 100, AC&F 200 Western Steel Car Co 250
 
Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-579-0539
http://www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm
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Subject: [STMFC] ATSF class TkG



I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?
 
Eric N.





Re: Affordable 3D Scanning Is Here

Charles Peck
 

I am waiting for the point where I can pick out some part numbers from an online catalog, send them to my local
print shop/hobby shop and go pick up my parts tomorrow. 
The local shop downloads the files for my parts from an online parts library, prints them and preps them for me.
No more "out-of-stock", no more wait 6 months for the next batch to be cast, and just because there has been 
no demand for that part in 5 years does not mean it will never be made again. 
Every shop will have access to every part. I won't order a turnbuckle from Denver and a brake wheel from Boston,
both with higher shipping costs than the parts cost.  That locally made brake wheel might cost me $5.00 but that
is better than a $1.00 part and $8.00 shipping. 
Great days are coming.  At 72, I don't see me living to see it all happen.
Chuck Peck


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

twinstarcars
 

Kent, please contact me off list at roscodando@.... I am wondering which printer you have?
Thanks,
Ross


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

 

When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each other.”
 
At an NMRA national years ago Builders in Scale discovered that another vendor was selling copies of their details.  A lawyer attendee said, “Give me a thousand dollars and you’ll never see them again.”  They did and he went to the other booth and told them in legalese what he’d do to them.  Never saw them again.
 
And finally, I once asked Cliff Grandt for permission to include his reefer hinge castings on my master for the PRR RF.  He asked what I would do if he said no.  I told him I wouldn’t use them.  He gave me permission. – Al Westerfield
 
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Affordable 3D Scanning Is Here

qmp211
 

3D scanning is here and affordable. And what will be here this summer is even better and more exciting.

I have been researching portable 3D scanners for the last several years waiting for an affordable model to land. The only 3D scanner capable of generating sufficient data for our purposes has been the Polhemus hand held scanner, a $25K tool.

New to the market, 3D Systems has the Sense 3D scanner, a very reasonably priced ($399 retail), PC tablet based, tethered scanner. It is available now and 3D offers a software package that can capture, integrate and edit the scan data.

http://cubify.com/en/Products/Sense?SSAID=325983

In January, 3D Systems announced iSense. iSense also generates a sufficient point cloud for our CAD needs. iSense is integrated into a dock for the iPad. It is based on existing technology so the start-up should be rather painless and 3D offers a CAD package to develop part geometry.  iSense for the iPad is due this summer.

http://www.3dsystems.com/isense-3d-systems
http://bgr.com/2014/01/10/ipad-3d-scanner-isense/

And to generate further discussion and now that I wet your whistle - check these guys out for what this means to our modeling needs. This is the ultimate blend of 3D scanning, rapid prototyping and mold making.
http://live-resin.com/

from liver-resin's site -
"We utilize modern advanced 3D modelling and rapid prototyping last generation technology. "  And they do. This is extraordinary stuff!

By Thanksgiving, there should be a lot of people happy as clams with their new parts developed from their iSense.

We're headed down an exciting road.

Randy Danniel

 

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