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Re: Color information on the CM&O

Scott H. Haycock
 

Greg,

With this info, I'll take that last unclaimed Parts set, If It's still available. 



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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Hubert,
 
That is exactly what we needed to know and I will post the information to the list now and I would expect a huge reaction for the group. I already have heard form one fellow this morning which is what prompted the email.
 
You have made a lot of modelers happy.
 
Thanks for the quick response,
 
Greg Martin
Salem, OR
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 




Re: Color information on the CM&O

Greg Martin
 

Hubert,
 
That is exactly what we needed to know and I will post the information to the list now and I would expect a huge reaction for the group. I already have heard form one fellow this morning which is what prompted the email.
 
You have made a lot of modelers happy.
 
Thanks for the quick response,
 
Greg Martin
Salem, OR
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 3/16/2014 12:30:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, maskisland@... writes:
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


Color information on the CM&O

hubert mask
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


LV 30000 series gondolas?

Richard Townsend
 

I was just looking at an unclear, poor print of a 1926 photo showing a LV gondola in Colorado.  It appears to be a 40' car and its number appeared to be 30125.  The earliest ORER I have is from 1938 and this series does not show up in it.  Was there a LV 30000 series?  If so, was it all steel or composite?  Other details?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: THe CNW/RI Ends and Side sill parts are here.

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Greg:

Can I get a place on the list for the Santa Fe ends that you are producing?

Thank you:

Bill Pardie

On Mar 15, 2014, at 6:10 PM, tgregmrtn@... wrote:

 

Fellows,
 
I received the first batch of parts from Aaron Gjermundson Wednesday of this past week (I have been working on my taxes).
 
There are seventy (70) sets of CNW/RI 5-5-B-5 ends and side sills and a commitment of sixty-eight (68) sets.
 
Again the sets are $7.00 and shipping and handling is $2.50.
 
For those of you that have ordered both sets CNW/RI~ATSF sets and don't want to wait for the Santa Fe sets please send me a heads up before hand.
 
Those of you that have ordered just the CNW/RI sets of ends and side sills email me off list for my address and consider the bandwidth. I will respond with my address and the total I show for you to send. Please let me know if you were one of those that was not able to make it to the BASH AT THE BEACH this year in your email. We do hope to see completed project cars next year....
 
Just a reminder the SHAKE_N_TAKE Group Boss Schuyler has posted a revised set of instructions to the files section and I will be sending Schuyler some new progress photos tomorrow. My car is near completion and I have some revisions, and tips to add as I approach the paint and lettering.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg Martin
 
PS that Santa Fe sets are not far behind.
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



New Decals Available

hubert mask
 

Pleased to announce the following new decal sets.


87-248   Copper range  40' box car  New 1948
87-249   CM&O    40' box car  New 1955   1954
87-253   North Hampton and Bath 40' Box Car  New 1966
87-254   North Hampton and Bath 70T 2 Bay Hopper New 1976
87-255   CE&I 40' Box car New 1966


Decals are available at maskislanddecals.com

Thank you

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


Re: Rreverse engineering or copying? or Dead Horse

Dave Nelson
 

Actually it does, very directly -- I’m  a 3d CAD modeler and I do occasionally do freight cars from mechanical drawings -- but I’ve expressed my opinion (as advise) so put it to bed.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of tgregmrtn@...

I think we have beat this horse to death and unless it directly affect you in some way why worry about it.


S Scale Standards & PRSL

Bill Lane
 

Actually the NMRA adopted the NASG http://www.nasg.org/index.html standards about 20+ years ago. http://www.nasg.org/Membership/NASGStandards.htm

 

The previous NMRA standards were a little loose allowing a car to hunt the track gauge. We went from code 125 wheels to code 110 and slightly increased the wheel back to back.

 

If you want to talk PRSL here is a good place! http://www.prslhs.com 

 

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

 

See my layout progress at:

http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

 


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

asychis@...
 

"So have you compensated the NMRA for use of the S scale standards? NS &
CSX railroads for use of the PRR & PRSL names and likenesses?"
 
Mark,  these are kind of non-sequiturs. 
 
The NMRA standards are free to be used by anyone. There is no charge to begin with. The example would be if you started calling the NMRA S scale standards your standards.  
 
The use of company names and likenesses these days are typically the concern of the manufacturers or sellers, not the buyer. The buyer is not at blame, unless he sells images of the logos, which then makes him a manufacturer or seller.
 
Jerry Michels


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

asychis@...
 

Unfortunately, a percentage of our society has come to the point, I think,
that if a police officer doesn't see an infraction (running a stop sign or
running a red traffic signal or exceeding the speed limit by 20-30 mph),
it's not a crime. Where does morality come into play? One can push the
limits of copyright laws and intellectual property and claim that what they
are doing isn't against the law. But it is immoral and unethical . If people
used the simple concept of what is right and fair, I don't think we would
need so many laws...

Jack Burgess _,_._,_
Well said Jack.  I think the root is called the Golden Rule?
 
Jerry michels


THe CNW/RI Ends and Side sill parts are here.

Greg Martin
 

Fellows,
 
I received the first batch of parts from Aaron Gjermundson Wednesday of this past week (I have been working on my taxes).
 
There are seventy (70) sets of CNW/RI 5-5-B-5 ends and side sills and a commitment of sixty-eight (68) sets.
 
Again the sets are $7.00 and shipping and handling is $2.50.
 
For those of you that have ordered both sets CNW/RI~ATSF sets and don't want to wait for the Santa Fe sets please send me a heads up before hand.
 
Those of you that have ordered just the CNW/RI sets of ends and side sills email me off list for my address and consider the bandwidth. I will respond with my address and the total I show for you to send. Please let me know if you were one of those that was not able to make it to the BASH AT THE BEACH this year in your email. We do hope to see completed project cars next year....
 
Just a reminder the SHAKE_N_TAKE Group Boss Schuyler has posted a revised set of instructions to the files section and I will be sending Schuyler some new progress photos tomorrow. My car is near completion and I have some revisions, and tips to add as I approach the paint and lettering.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg Martin
 
PS that Santa Fe sets are not far behind.
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Rreverse engineering or copying? or Dead Horse

Greg Martin
 

Mike's right!
 
I think we have beat this horse to death and unless it directly affect you in some way why worry about it.
 
Indirectly is conjecture and hypothetical. Understanding the laws and the moral as well as ethical values are all well and good, but if you are not involved directly in the issue why make it one.
 
I have to agree with Al Westerfield and was taught at a young age, it better to seek permission than to ask for forgiveness...  I have asked and been told absolutely not, and by another been told yes. I have understood the positions of both and followed their wishes.  It is a matter of Intellectual Property at the very least and there are laws to protect folks/businesses against misuse of that.
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.

 
The Boss  writes in parting:

"Why do I have a feeling that this thread is becoming as mature as the laws we are discussing.

Mike Brock"


Re: NP Series 39000 Photos

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Thanks, I'll have to join the group.

Nelson Moyer


On Mar 15, 2014, at 9:42 PM, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...> wrote:

 



We are doing this build on the resinfreightcars yahoo group. A lot of info on this build going on.
Dennis Williams

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On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:15 PM PDT Nelson Moyer wrote:

>I bought the Yarmouth kit for the NP Series 39000 boxcar at Naperville last
>year, and I'm preparing to build it by trying to collect additional photos
>besides the one black and white photo in the instruction sheet. A Google
>search came up empty. The NP Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment
>doesn't include this car. I don't have the NP in Color series. Please share
>any photos you have or at least point me to some photos online. Color photos
>would be especially helpful.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nelson Moyer
>


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Mikebrock
 

Dave Nelson writes:

"For example, scale models of architectural works ARE protected because the exterior of buildings is understood to be a creative work and so a model of same is too and therefore can be protected under copyright."

Hmmm. So, who decides that the exterior of a building is creative? Does it require a statue or other unnecessary part? Does that same source then deny that the front of a UP Big Boy is not similarly "creative"? Same Big Boy with the creatively designed UP herald sitting there in plain sight? If strictly utilitarian, should the Big Boy not appear very similar to say, a DM&IR 2-8-8-4 or perhaps a B&O EM-1? I suppose that freight cars are a bit more utilitarian...except when a paint job including herald, logo or other creatively designed lettering is applied. Then, they appear to have received creativity. Would the freight car's creatively attached lettering or logo need to be part of the car's architecture [ whatever that is ]? Who says it is not?

Why do I have a feeling that this thread is becoming as mature as the laws we are discussing.

Mike Brock


Re: NP Series 39000 Photos

Dennis Williams
 

We are doing this build on the resinfreightcars yahoo group. A lot of info on this build going on.
Dennis Williams


------------------------------

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:15 PM PDT Nelson Moyer wrote:

I bought the Yarmouth kit for the NP Series 39000 boxcar at Naperville last
year, and I'm preparing to build it by trying to collect additional photos
besides the one black and white photo in the instruction sheet. A Google
search came up empty. The NP Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment
doesn't include this car. I don't have the NP in Color series. Please share
any photos you have or at least point me to some photos online. Color photos
would be especially helpful.



Thanks,

Nelson Moyer


NP Series 39000 Photos

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I bought the Yarmouth kit for the NP Series 39000 boxcar at Naperville last year, and I’m preparing to build it by trying to collect additional photos besides the one black and white photo in the instruction sheet. A Google search came up empty. The NP Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment doesn’t include this car. I don’t have the NP in Color series. Please share any photos you have or at least point me to some photos online. Color photos would be especially helpful.

 

Thanks,

Nelson Moyer


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

rob.mclear3@...
 

As a veteran and a working Police officer for 33 years nothing is more exact than what Jack has said, even when in custody and caught, the arrogance and "how dare you interfere with me" attitude of a lot of people these days is hard to comprehend.   The old standby of "do unto others" seems to have been thrown out the window. As for the concept of right and fair it simply does not exist any longer in my experience it is all about the me generation.   

As for copying or casting from someone else's work whether you explore the moral or ethical or legal avenues there is one thing that stands out.   It is wrong and disrespectful, maybe not in law but certainly with all ethical principals.   People put in a lot of time and effort to produce models, kits, parts, decals and other items for the hobby.   They are entitled to some respect and acknowledgement of their efforts and I for one would never contemplate the copying of someone else's work.  Just my 2c worth.

Rob McLear

---In STMFC@..., <jack@...> wrote :

Unfortunately, a percentage of our society has come to the point, I think, that if a police officer doesn't see an infraction (running a stop sign or running a red traffic signal or exceeding the speed limit by 20-30 mph), it's not a crime. Where does morality come into play? One can push the limits of copyright laws and intellectual property and claim that what they are doing isn't against the law. But it is immoral and unethical . If people used the simple concept of what is right and fair, I don't think we would need so many laws...

 

Jack Burgess   _,_._,_


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Bruce Smith
 

Mark,

Ahem... CSX does NOT own the PRR name.  I'm not sure where you got the idea that they did. The folks who do have never sought permission for its use.  Let's leave it that way.

The rest of this debate is tiresome and silly.  Replicas of existing objects that do not contain significant alterations (to be defined in court) are not subject to copyright.  Thus copies of these replicas cannot infringe.  Get over it folks.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Temporarily in Alexandria, VA


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of caboose9792@... [caboose9792@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] reverse engineering or copying?

So have you compensated the NMRA for use of the S scale standards? NS & CSX railroads for use of the PRR & PRSL names and likenesses? If not your part of the problem not part of the solution. The best reply I can comes to mind is "copied" from the bible " (Matthew 7:4-5)
4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. "
 
It comes down to what lets you sleep at night, as our hobby is all about coping at some level. If we are prototype modelers we are by definition copping someone else's work. 
 
Mark Rickert


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 3/15/2014 9:47 AM, Jon Miller wrote:
 

On 3/15/2014 12:00 AM, pullmanboss@... wrote:
How is that issue, resolved by legal action

    I'm not sure of what happened back then but I seem to remember that hobby shops and distributors  refused to carry the Paige items and that SS Limited cast a little c (copyright) by all their parts.  I "think" it was the refusal to stock or buy Paige items (ethical and moral) that settled the case as opposed to legal action.
I seem to remember that he did jail time, although at my age I have difficulty differentiating between memory and fantasy.

Spen Kellogg


P2K Mather single deck stock cars

Robert kirkham
 

I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing.  The model has inset slats, but not true cut outs?  So the question arises, – how did the prototype cars look?
 
Rob  

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