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ATSF class TkG FtG

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Although Richard got his classes confused, I looked up the FtG data he provided and can answer one of his questions.
 
93256-93500 ordered from PSC in 4-06
93501-93750 ordered for WSCF in 11-05; this order was actually for 500 cars, 93751-94000 had temporary sides for coal.
 
I'm a little late catching up on emails.
 
Eric N.

495 cars numbered 93256-93750 built by PSC and WSC in 1906 (no indiction of how many cars were built by each builder)


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Charlie Vlk
 

There are varying degrees of “copying” ranging from virtually duplicating, without any thought of making improvements, a competitor’s product, to using competitive samples as an inspiration for a new original model.

Back in the early days of N Scale I used to track such things and found some freight cars with two or three generations of copying, some of which started out being “shrunk” down from much copied HO originals.   The fabled “40’ Steel Gondola” which almost every manufacturer had a version of is one of the worst examples.

Sometimes it makes sense to not reinvent the wheel (phrase is appropriate!!).   It is hard to convince engineers not to redesign everything (truck mountings, draft gear, general approach to assembly) from previous models.   Contrary to general wisdom, engineers in the Far East are not good at copying….they like to be original and have to have narrow specifications to make product that meet previous design criteria.

At least that has been my observation on models that I’ve been involved with for a number of importers…..

Charlie Vlk

Railroad Model Resources


Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Robert <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing.  The model has inset slats, but not true cut outs?  So the question arises, – how did the prototype cars look?

As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.”  I have photos showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings.  So, as usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to model taken at about the sate you want to model it.

Richard Hendrickson



SP&S Freight Car Modelling and Research

railsnw@...
 

Anyone currently doing any projects on SP&S freight cars? I'm the editor of the Spokane, Portland & Seattle Railway Historical Society magazine "The Northwest's Own Railway" and I'd like to publish some articles on both modelling as well as historical research.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens


Personal for Richard Hendrickson

John Barry
 

Richard,

I have your note and have attempted 5 different ways to reply, but your spam blocker has it in for me.  Please call me at your convenience.  I'm usually up till 11 and in your time zone.  Need the address to send your item.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: FDDM&S picture under Chad Boas

Chad Boas
 

George,

The decals came from Mark Vaughn. It is set 136, Iowa Shortline R.R's

Chad Boas


Re: Color information on the CM&O

Greg Martin
 

Scott,
 
You've got it and Aaron is making more as I would presume that there will be more interested. So I now show you in for 3 set of CNW/CMO/RI ends and I am betting you are going to want the Santa Fe car when you see it done. Less work and a great car. Let me know...
 
Greg
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 3/16/2014 12:37:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shhaycock@... writes:
 

Greg,

With this info, I'll take that last unclaimed Parts set, If It's still available. 



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 


Hubert,
 
That is exactly what we needed to know and I will post the information to the list now and I would expect a huge reaction for the group. I already have heard form one fellow this morning which is what prompted the email.
 
You have made a lot of modelers happy.
 
Thanks for the quick response,
 
Greg Martin
Salem, OR
 
Ev entually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 




FDDM&S picture under Chad Boas

George Courtney
 

Chad,


  Would you mind sharing where you got the FDDM&S diamond herald on the rebuilt car?


Thanks,

George Courtney


CMO decals

Chad Boas
 

All,
I have posted a picture of my CMO car in the photos section (waiting approval)
You can get the decal from me or Hubert.
On my car, I used Scalecoat 2. I didn't have any TruColor or AccuColor. I did have Pro Color and it was alittle darker than the Yellow on the decal.
Chad


Re: Color information on the CM&O

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes, I know and have purchased a few from him as well.  Hopefully he is working on the ends and doors for the ACL and C&WC double door versions of that car.


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Hubert Mask <maskisland@...> wrote:
 

FYI Chad Boas is doing that car also.


To: STMFC@...
From: srrfan1401@...
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 16:37:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Color information on the CM&O

 

Great Hubert, I will forward this to a bunch of guys who are bashing that car.
Fenton


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Hubert Mask <maskisland@...> wrote:
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Color information on the CM&O

hubert mask
 

FYI Chad Boas is doing that car also.


To: STMFC@...
From: srrfan1401@...
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 16:37:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Color information on the CM&O

 

Great Hubert, I will forward this to a bunch of guys who are bashing that car.
Fenton


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Hubert Mask <maskisland@...> wrote:
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Color information on the CM&O

O Fenton Wells
 

Great Hubert, I will forward this to a bunch of guys who are bashing that car.
Fenton


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Hubert Mask <maskisland@...> wrote:
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


New Announcement for CMO Decal to match our project

Greg Martin
 

Folks,
 
Fenton Wells sent me this link this morning:
 
 
This addresses the CMO car that is a part of our SHAKE_N_TAKE project and that was widely requested by modelers.  We elected not to pursue the decal not having the information to color match the decals to paint and paint to decals. Now it has been done just as we are ready to get going on our project and the below is a trace of the emails between myself and Hubert Mask.
 
A big thanks goes out to Chad Boas for his efforts to get these decals out.
 
So follow the link and order your decals. At this point we are over committed on the CNW/CMO/RI sets but I have ask Aaron Gjermundson to see if he can produce more.
 
Good News,
 
Greg Martin
 
 
>Hubert,
Can you tell me what paint you have matched the CMO Green and Yellow to? We will want to make sure we get it correct on the cars.
We are doing this project on the SHAKE_N_TAKE Yahoo group and I am sure this will be a boon to the guys modeling the car? W e will announce and promote them as soon as we have that information.
Thank you,
Greg Martin
Salem, OR<
 
 
>>FYI questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O. We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals<<
 
>>>Hubert,
That is exactly what we needed to know and I will post the information to the list now and I would expect a huge reaction for the group. I already have heard form one fellow this morning which is what prompted the email.
 
You have made a lot of modelers happy.
 
Thanks for the quick response,
Greg Martin
Salem, OR<<<
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: LV 30000 series gondolas?

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


29500-30499 built 1910 by SSC and Cambria. Originally steel with drop botton and ends (GE type). 29000-29499 built by SSC in 1909.
 
Eric N.

Richard, The 1926 ORER shows the following

29000 - 30499 Gondola, Steel, Drop Doors and Drop Ends IL 39' 9" OL 40' 5" EXH 7' 7" IH 7' 1" Capy 100000 CuFt 1225

Not all cars equipped with drop doors and ends.

Rich Christie


On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:51 PM, "richtownsend@..." <richtownsend@...> wrote:
 
I was just looking at an unclear, poor print of a 1926 photo showing a LV gondola in Colorado.  It appears to be a 40' car and its number appeared to be 30125.  The earliest ORER I have is from 1938 and this series does not show up in it.  Was there a LV 30000 series?  If so, was it all steel or composite?  Other details?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



Re: LV 30000 series gondolas?

Rich C
 

Richard, The 1926 ORER shows the following

29000 - 30499 Gondola, Steel, Drop Doors and Drop Ends IL 39' 9" OL 40' 5" EXH 7' 7" IH 7' 1" Capy 100000 CuFt 1225

Not all cars equipped with drop doors and ends.

Rich Christie


On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:51 PM, "richtownsend@..." wrote:
 
I was just looking at an unclear, poor print of a 1926 photo showing a LV gondola in Colorado.  It appears to be a 40' car and its number appeared to be 30125.  The earliest ORER I have is from 1938 and this series does not show up in it.  Was there a LV 30000 series?  If so, was it all steel or composite?  Other details?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



Re: Color information on the CM&O

Scott H. Haycock
 

Greg,

With this info, I'll take that last unclaimed Parts set, If It's still available. 



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 


Hubert,
 
That is exactly what we needed to know and I will post the information to the list now and I would expect a huge reaction for the group. I already have heard form one fellow this morning which is what prompted the email.
 
You have made a lot of modelers happy.
 
Thanks for the quick response,
 
Greg Martin
Salem, OR
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 




Re: Color information on the CM&O

Greg Martin
 

Hubert,
 
That is exactly what we needed to know and I will post the information to the list now and I would expect a huge reaction for the group. I already have heard form one fellow this morning which is what prompted the email.
 
You have made a lot of modelers happy.
 
Thanks for the quick response,
 
Greg Martin
Salem, OR
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 3/16/2014 12:30:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, maskisland@... writes:
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


Color information on the CM&O

hubert mask
 

FYI  questions regarding the color match on the decal set 87-249, CM&O.  We used True Colors Green 109 and True Colors 108 Yellow.

Thanks for your inquiries.

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


LV 30000 series gondolas?

Richard Townsend
 

I was just looking at an unclear, poor print of a 1926 photo showing a LV gondola in Colorado.  It appears to be a 40' car and its number appeared to be 30125.  The earliest ORER I have is from 1938 and this series does not show up in it.  Was there a LV 30000 series?  If so, was it all steel or composite?  Other details?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: THe CNW/RI Ends and Side sill parts are here.

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Greg:

Can I get a place on the list for the Santa Fe ends that you are producing?

Thank you:

Bill Pardie

On Mar 15, 2014, at 6:10 PM, tgregmrtn@... wrote:

 

Fellows,
 
I received the first batch of parts from Aaron Gjermundson Wednesday of this past week (I have been working on my taxes).
 
There are seventy (70) sets of CNW/RI 5-5-B-5 ends and side sills and a commitment of sixty-eight (68) sets.
 
Again the sets are $7.00 and shipping and handling is $2.50.
 
For those of you that have ordered both sets CNW/RI~ATSF sets and don't want to wait for the Santa Fe sets please send me a heads up before hand.
 
Those of you that have ordered just the CNW/RI sets of ends and side sills email me off list for my address and consider the bandwidth. I will respond with my address and the total I show for you to send. Please let me know if you were one of those that was not able to make it to the BASH AT THE BEACH this year in your email. We do hope to see completed project cars next year....
 
Just a reminder the SHAKE_N_TAKE Group Boss Schuyler has posted a revised set of instructions to the files section and I will be sending Schuyler some new progress photos tomorrow. My car is near completion and I have some revisions, and tips to add as I approach the paint and lettering.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg Martin
 
PS that Santa Fe sets are not far behind.
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


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