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Re: Source for 1-72 Pan Head Screws

Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Try Fastenal
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 19/03/2014 10:44 AM, fgexbill@... wrote:

 

I like using 1-72 pan head screws for some things and find myself out of them and cannot remember what my source was. I know Woodland Scenics packages screws but they are pricey IMO. I am not fussy, stainless steel or brass would work fine. I need either 3/8" and 1/2" length. When I look online I am presented too many choices. I am curious if members have a suggested source. I want about 50 or so.


Bill Welch

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Source for 1-72 Pan Head Screws

Bill Welch
 

I like using 1-72 pan head screws for some things and find myself out of them and cannot remember what my source was. I know Woodland Scenics packages screws but they are pricey IMO. I am not fussy, stainless steel or brass would work fine. I need either 3/8" and 1/2" length. When I look online I am presented too many choices. I am curious if members have a suggested source. I want about 50 or so.

Bill Welch


Re: SAL 34200 class G4

rwitt_2000
 

Eric,

Often the quantity built changed from what was initially ordered so the listing could still be the correct order; just 500 less cars.  Sometimes in the "News Section" Railway Age would note adjustments to orders, but it is very tedious to scan each issue for any updates.

Bob Witt


Weathering hopper car interiors

Eric Hansmann
 

hopper car interior weathering conversation here a couple of months ago inspired me to try a few techniques to reflect the prototype. These processes are now posted on my blog along with images to help illustrate the ideas. Some of you may recognize a few photos from Facebook postings. It's the lead post here:
I hope you find the info useful.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: CB&Q mystery stock car

rwitt_2000
 

FYI, this topic was discussed some time ago, 2008, beginning with this message, if the Yahoo search worked correctly, message #: 74352; Subject: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model.

The conclusion remain basically the same.

Bob Witt


Re: BLI's new Pennsy H-32 hoppers

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

A comment: Having just gone through a lot of "official" archival material, PRR documents have a hyphen in the class designations more than a few times, e.g. P70 and P-70 both appear. It's apparent the railroad itself didn't published a "book of style" of enforce it thoroughly. The same flexibility is shown by Trinity, the current #1 car builder, where file, lot, and job have all been used interchangeably to identify orders at different times, and sometimes simultaneously by different divisions. As a modeler, it may make the most sense to go by what was marked on the cars, but a lingering confusion is understandable. I admit to confusion myself especially when I jump from railroad to railroad, but I know it isn't all my fault. :-)
 
Eric
 
 


Pul-eeeze! H32, not H-32. :-)

Tim O'

>3000 cf was pretty large compared to the typical cement car of the day. N&W got about
>the same result (HC-3) by adding a fourth bay and enlarging the rest of the car, though.
>David Thompson


Re: WP silver paint w/ black also?

Tony Thompson
 

I am getting close to painting the 40' PS-1 cars with Chrysler trucks and it has been brought up that these cars had black rook and ends. Can someone throw me a bone and confirm. The picture in the link makes me think they were all silver.
Thanks,
Ross

     The car in this photo is definitely all silver. The black ends came on a later car group.

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Re: BLI's new Pennsy H-32 hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Pul-eeeze! H32, not H-32. :-)

Tim O'

3000 cf was pretty large compared to the typical cement car of the day. N&W got about
the same result (HC-3) by adding a fourth bay and enlarging the rest of the car, though.
David Thompson


Re: SAL 34200 class G4

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


David,
 
Thanks. It's definitely not Hegeswisch then. I've got a number of car orders from around that time I can't connect with builders. In this case the series is 34000-34499, but unfortunately the PSC order listed in Railway age is for 1,000.
 
Eric
 

 

"PGH. 5.28.07" No idea if that's McKees Rocks, Alleghany, or neither.

David Thompson


Re: SAL 34200 class G4

David
 

"PGH. 5.28.07" No idea if that's McKees Rocks, Alleghany, or neither.

David Thompson


Re: BLI's new Pennsy H-32 hoppers

David
 

3000 cf was pretty large compared to the typical cement car of the day. N&W got about the same result (HC-3) by adding a fourth bay and enlarging the rest of the car, though.

David Thompson


Re: Flatcar help

David Payne
 

 
In addition to Southern, Central of Georgia served a General Electric transformer plant in Rome, Georgia, and had twenty 70-ton 37'10" in length with a 17' depressed deck cars in the 11800 - 11819 series.
 
David Payne
Georgia
 


Re: Flatcar help

martincooper@...
 



----- Original Message -----
From: John Barry
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 20:48:29 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Flatcar help

Hi: sounds like the Eastern car works depressed center flat car. There was an article in an older RMC about building an

New Haven flat car using the ECW model. The dimensions fall between two series of NH car built during the 1940s. Decals for both series are available from the NYNH&H historical society. I couldn't find decals for other rrs & the RMC article gave more support. Hope this helps. Marty Cooper











 



    

      
      
      

Kevin,

Do you mean 4 axle or 4 truck?  Santa Fe had five modern high capacity flat cars, three of which were depressed center flats.  Ft-X, ATSF 90000, had two six axle trucks and a depressed center.  It and Ft-Y, ATSF 90010, also with two six axle trucks and a flat deck had 125 ton capacity.  Ft-4, ATSF 90020, was the first modern 4 truck car with a flat deck and 248 ton capacity.  Ft-13, ATSF 90005, had the depressed center, four trucks,
and 150 tons capacity.  Ft-14, ATSF 90015, also had 
 the depressed center, four trucks, and 200 tons capacity.  
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682
  

   From: Kevin
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 18,
2014 12:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Flatcar help

















 



    

      
      
      
Can anyone offer some prototype roads for 4axle 90 ton depressed center flat cars?  I have one I need to paint up and while it may not be exact I'd like to have something semi correct.  I know NYC and CNW had some.  Did Westinghouse have any to move transformers on?



Thanks

Kevin





    
    











  



    
    

    









Re: BLI's new Pennsy H-32 hoppers

Andy Miller
 

For their day, they were huge. See http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=h32.gif <http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=h32.gif&sel=hopp&sz=sm&fr> &sel=hopp&sz=sm&fr=

By today’s standard (waaay outside the steam era) they are ordinary to small.



I scratch built one 45 years ago, as did my fiancé back in the days when she pretended to be interested in model RRing. She won an honorable mention for her model and I have not been allowed to run it since!



Regards,



Andy Miller



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:20 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: BLI's new Pennsy H-32 hoppers







Might be malt.



Hello folks,



I see that BLI has announced a new Pennsy H-32 covered hopper model to be released in June in two colors and several lettering variations. To me these cars seem HUGE. Can someone tell me what they primarily carried and how far off line the regularly got? Can't recall ever having seen one anywhere, let alone in Northern New England.



Thanks, Don Valentine





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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 1:09 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Digest Number 8597



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Digest #8597

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#1a> Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#1b> Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#1c> Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Jon Miller" atsfus

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#1d> Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Richard Brennan" rbrennan4

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#3a> CB&Q mystery stock car by "Claus Schlund HGM" clausschlund

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#3e> Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#3f> Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz

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<https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=353eh1cm19jdr#4a> Re: Mystery Brass by riverman_vt

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:rhendrickson@opendoor.com?subject=Re%3A%20Mutant%20Tank%20Car> "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g


On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Clark Cooper <csc@mchsi.com> wrote:

Stumbled across an eBay auction for a photo dated 1948. In the photo there's a two-dome tank car on the rear track. The larger dome is centered on the tank, and the smaller dome is towards one end. The centered ladder leads up to the larger dome, the upper walkway extends over to the smaller dome.

I can't make out the reporting marks. Would this be an after-the-fact modification? Anybody know the story on this one?
Clark, I have photos of similar cars, though there were not very many of them. It was a relatively simple matter to convert single compartment tank cars to multiple compartment cars, and many tank car owners did this rather than have an entirely new car constructed. It was just a matter of inserting diaphragms (which were essentially the same as the tank ends) into the tank and riveting them in place. The added compartment( s) required domes, but since their volume was smaller, the domes were typically smaller than the original center dome, which was usually left in place. Most such conversions resulted in three compartment cars (General American, in particular, did this a lot), but occasionally the owner wanted a two compartment car with one compartment smaller than the other, and the result was an asymmetrical car like the one in the photo.

Richard Hendrickson

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:b.hom@att.net?subject=Re%3A%20Mutant%20Tank%20Car> "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom


Richard Brennan wrote:
"Pure speculation: It looks like an early 20th Century low-dome tank
that was later internally divided into thirds... and mounted on an
available flat car, full wood deck and all. MoW service ???"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-3x5-B-W-Photo-GN-Great-Northern-0-6-0-395-St-Paul-MN-1948-/380865218608

Look again. The tank car is NOT mounted on the flat car, but is on another track.

Ben Hom

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:atsfus@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Mutant%20Tank%20Car> "Jon Miller" atsfus


/On 3/17/2014 6:17 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote://
/
/Look again. The tank car is NOT mounted on the flat car, but is on another track./
Good eye Ben, I totally missed that!

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/ Zephyr systems, JMRI User
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Member SFRH&MS

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:brennan8@earthlink.net?subject=Re%3A%20Mutant%20Tank%20Car> "Richard Brennan" rbrennan4


Ben... You ARE correct!

I think Richard Hendrickson's post summed it up...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 06:17 PM 3/17/2014, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Richard Brennan wrote:
"Pure speculation: It looks like an early 20th Century low-dome tank
that was later internally divided into thirds... and mounted on an
available flat car, full wood deck and all. MoW service ???"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-3x5-B-W-Photo-GN-Great-Northern-0-6-0-395-St-Paul-MN-1948-/380865218608

Look again. The tank car is NOT mounted on the flat car, but is on
another track.
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Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:rdkirkham@live.ca?subject=Re%3A%20P2K%20Mather%20single%20deck%20stock%20cars> "Robert" robert_kirkham


Thanks Richard, that helps. Easier to pick a prototype without openings!

Rob Kirkham

From: Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] P2K Mather single deck stock cars

On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Robert <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:

I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing. The model has inset slats, but not true cut outs? So the question arises, – how did the prototype cars look?

As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.” I have photos showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings. So, as usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to model taken at about the sate you want to model it.

Richard Hendrickson

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:b.hom@att.net?subject=Re%3A%20P2K%20Mather%20single%20deck%20stock%20cars> "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom


Rob Kirkham asked:
"I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing. The model has inset slats, but not true cut outs? So the question arises, – how did the prototype cars look?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.â€Â I have photos
showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings. So, as
usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to model
taken at about the date you want to model it."

Be advised that the area around the reporting marks may require removal of some of the material between the boards depending on the prototype. Life-Like tooled the area to accommodate the largest reporting marks. See Richard's RMJ articles for more details.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/366/26850/february-1997-page-24
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/369/27086/may-1997-page-12

Ben Hom

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:rdkirkham@live.ca?subject=Re%3A%20P2K%20Mather%20single%20deck%20stock%20cars> "Robert" robert_kirkham


Thanks Ben. Excellent articles by Richard - I missed them when they came
out originally. The best views of the end details are found in the May 1997
article on pages 14 and 15.

I have P2K's model B&O 112263, and no photo. May change the number to match
110556 with multiple open end slats.

Rob Kirkham

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] P2K Mather single deck stock cars

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows
openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing. The model has inset
slats, but not true cut outs? So the question arises, – how did the
prototype cars look?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.†I have photos
showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings. So, as
usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to
model
taken at about the date you want to model it."

Be advised that the area around the reporting marks may require removal of
some of the material between the boards depending on the prototype.
Life-Like tooled the area to accommodate the largest reporting marks. See
Richard's RMJ articles for more details.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/366/26850/february-1997-page-24
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/369/27086/may-1997-page-12

Ben Hom

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:claus@hellgatemodels.com?subject=Re%3A%20CB%26Q%20mystery%20stock%20car> "Claus Schlund HGM" clausschlund


Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which can be seen here...

https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTPZopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJmdP-6wFGzQzXUECeSAAROF5YYkTbD9kwke46V7DIW0JrnaNqDEJU/CBQ_stock_01.jpg?psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?

I'm wondering if this would be a plausible kitbash...

Any info appreciated.

- Claus Schlund

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:gamlenz@ihug.co.nz?subject=Re%3A%20CB%26Q%20mystery%20stock%20car> "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz


Claus

This appears to be a class SM-19C stock car 50500-50599 built at Havelock in
1962. They were double deck, 50' 11" inside length with an inside height of
9' 1", and a Stanway diagonal panel roof. The upper deck was removed from
50595-50599 in 1965.

These cars were a lengthened version of the AAR 40' stock car design with an
additional 5' panel each end just inboard from the trucks. You'll notice
that the diagonals on these panels are at a slightly different angle to the
others.

There is a fuller explanation and a diagram in Bulletin 25.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Claus Schlund HGM
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 3:07 p.m.
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q mystery stock car

Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which
can be seen here...

https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTP
Zopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJ mdP-6wFGzQzXUECe SAAROF5YYkTbD9kw ke46V7DIW0JrnaNq DEJU/CBQ_
stock_01.jpg? psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from
boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?

I'm wondering if this would be a plausible kitbash...

Any info appreciated.

- Claus Schlund

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org?subject=Re%3A%20CB%26Q%20mystery%20stock%20car> "Douglas Harding" hardingdouglas


Claus, the CB&Q leased some 50' double deck stock cars from Mather in the
early 60's. I am on the road, so don't have access to my library, but I
suspect that is what is in the photo. There have been some articles
published on kitbashing the car in HO using the PK2 (Walthers) Mather
stockcar. Stan Radarowicz sells a kit using cast resin parts and the Mather
car to make the kitbash go easier. http://sunshinekits.com/stanpage.html

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr. org

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org?subject=Re%3A%20CB%26Q%20mystery%20stock%20car> "Douglas Harding" hardingdouglas


I concur with Rupert. I knew the Mather cars had double doors.. Like I said,
not home, so no access to the library.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr. org

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:rhendrickson@opendoor.com?subject=Re%3A%20CB%26Q%20mystery%20stock%20car> "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g


On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Claus Schlund HGM <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which can be seen here...

https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTPZopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJmdP-6wFGzQzXUECeSAAROF5YYkTbD9kwke46V7DIW0JrnaNqDEJU/CBQ_stock_01.jpg?psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?
Claus, the CB&Q cars were leased from Mather. In the ‘50s Mather rebuilt some of its 40’ stock cars into 50’ double door cars. Some other railroads (e.g., NKP) also leased these 50’ Mather cars.

Richard Hendrickson

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:gamlenz@ihug.co.nz?subject=Re%3A%20CB%26Q%20mystery%20stock%20car> "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz


Richard / Claus

Yes, the CB&Q also had 50' Mather cars on lease (50200-50239) between 1963
and 1967, but they had four central doors whereas the Havelock car had a
single door reinforced with steel bands in an "X", as per the eBay photo.
Also the Mather cars had a solid horizontal board around the base of the
upper deck, whilst all the horizontal slats on the SM-19C were the same
width. Photos of both are in Bulletin 25 for comparison.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

_____

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 3:55 p.m.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q mystery stock car

On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Claus Schlund HGM <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
wrote:

Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

<http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558> http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which
can be seen here...

<https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxT
PZopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJmdP-6wFGzQzXUECeSAAROF5YYkTbD9kwke46V7DIW0JrnaNqDEJU/CBQ
_stock_01.jpg?psid=1>
https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTP
Zopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJ mdP-6wFGzQzXUECe SAAROF5YYkTbD9kw ke46V7DIW0JrnaNq DEJU/CBQ_
stock_01.jpg? psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from
boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?

Claus, the CB&Q cars were leased from Mather. In the '50s Mather rebuilt
some of its 40' stock cars into 50' double door cars. Some other railroads
(e.g., NKP) also leased these 50' Mather cars.

Richard Hendrickson

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:riverman_vt@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Mystery%20Brass> riverman_vt


The caboose looks like one of the second run NERS received in mid-1984, the first run having been rejected and returned to the builder, Woo Yang. These were quickly resold to Sunset Models' Mort Mann, who pedaled them under his "Model Express" label which appears to have been used for all sorts of rejects and over produced items he picked up in Korea. But the second run, like the first on our New England Rail Service cabeese were produced by Woo Yang so I do not know how or why Daeki would have had any. What color was the box, John? That might help pin things down.
Cordially, Don Valentine, New England Rail Service, Inc.

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:


<mailto:northbaylines@att.net?subject=Re%3A%20Mystery%20Brass> "John Barry" northbaylines@att.net


Don,

The model and the box are buried in storage at the moment. It may have been yellow, but I've not seen it in several years. It is on my list of things to unearth as I unpack.

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

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The caboose looks like one of the second run NERS received in mid-1984, the first run having been rejected and returned to the builder, Woo Yang. These were quickly resold to Sunset Models' Mort Mann, who pedaled them under his "Model Express" label which appears to have been used for all sorts of rejects and over produced items he picked up in Korea. But the second run, like the first on our New England Rail Service cabeese were produced by Woo Yang so I do not know how or why Daeki would have had any. What color was the box, John? That might help pin things down.
Cordially, Don Valentine, New England Rail Service, Inc.


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Re: BLI's new Pennsy H-32 hoppers

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Might be malt.

Hello folks,

I see that BLI has announced a new Pennsy H-32 covered hopper model to be released in June in two colors and several lettering variations. To me these cars seem HUGE. Can someone tell me what they primarily carried and how far off line the regularly got? Can't recall ever having seen one anywhere, let alone in Northern New England.

Thanks, Don Valentine



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Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Group
15 Messages Digest #8597 1a Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g 1b Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom 1c Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Jon Miller" atsfus 1d Re: Mutant Tank Car by "Richard Brennan" rbrennan4
2a Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars by "Robert" robert_kirkham 2b Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars by "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom 2c Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars by "Robert" robert_kirkham
3a CB&Q mystery stock car by "Claus Schlund HGM" clausschlund 3b Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz 3c Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Douglas Harding" hardingdouglas 3d Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Douglas Harding" hardingdouglas 3e Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g 3f Re: CB&Q mystery stock car by "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz
4a Re: Mystery Brass by riverman_vt 4b Re: Mystery Brass by "John Barry" northbaylines@att.net Messages
1a Re: Mutant Tank Car Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Clark Cooper <csc@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Stumbled across an eBay auction for a photo dated 1948. In the photo there's a two-dome tank car on the rear track. The larger dome is centered on the tank, and the smaller dome is towards one end. The centered ladder leads up to the larger dome, the upper walkway extends over to the smaller dome.
>
> I can't make out the reporting marks. Would this be an after-the-fact modification? Anybody know the story on this one?
>
Clark, I have photos of similar cars, though there were not very many of them. It was a relatively simple matter to convert single compartment tank cars to multiple compartment cars, and many tank car owners did this rather than have an entirely new car constructed. It was just a matter of inserting diaphragms (which were essentially the same as the tank ends) into the tank and riveting them in place. The added compartment( s) required domes, but since their volume was smaller, the domes were typically smaller than the original center dome, which was usually left in place. Most such conversions resulted in three compartment cars (General American, in particular, did this a lot), but occasionally the owner wanted a two compartment car with one compartment smaller than the other, and the result was an asymmetrical car like the one in the photo.

Richard Hendrickson

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 1b Re: Mutant Tank Car Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom Richard Brennan wrote:
"Pure speculation: It looks like an early 20th Century low-dome tank
that was later internally divided into thirds... and mounted on an
available flat car, full wood deck and all. MoW service ???"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-3x5-B-W-Photo-GN-Great-Northern-0-6-0-395-St-Paul-MN-1948-/380865218608

Look again. The tank car is NOT mounted on the flat car, but is on another track.

Ben Hom

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 1c Re: Mutant Tank Car Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jon Miller" atsfus /On 3/17/2014 6:17 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote://
/
> /Look again. The tank car is NOT mounted on the flat car, but is on another track./

Good eye Ben, I totally missed that!

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/ Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 1d Re: Mutant Tank Car Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Richard Brennan" rbrennan4 Ben... You ARE correct!

I think Richard Hendrickson's post summed it up...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 06:17 PM 3/17/2014, Benjamin Hom wrote:
>Richard Brennan wrote:
>"Pure speculation: It looks like an early 20th Century low-dome tank
>that was later internally divided into thirds... and mounted on an
>available flat car, full wood deck and all. MoW service ???"
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-3x5-B-W-Photo-GN-Great-Northern-0-6-0-395-St-Paul-MN-1948-/380865218608
>
>Look again. The tank car is NOT mounted on the flat car, but is on
>another track.

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 2a Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Robert" robert_kirkham Thanks Richard, that helps. Easier to pick a prototype without openings!

Rob Kirkham

From: Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] P2K Mather single deck stock cars

On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Robert <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:

I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing. The model has inset slats, but not true cut outs? So the question arises, – how did the prototype cars look?

As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.” I have photos showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings. So, as usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to model taken at about the sate you want to model it.

Richard Hendrickson

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 2b Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom Rob Kirkham asked:
"I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing. The model has inset slats, but not true cut outs? So the question arises, – how did the prototype cars look?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.â€Â I have photos
showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings. So, as
usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to model
taken at about the date you want to model it."

Be advised that the area around the reporting marks may require removal of some of the material between the boards depending on the prototype. Life-Like tooled the area to accommodate the largest reporting marks. See Richard's RMJ articles for more details.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/366/26850/february-1997-page-24
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/369/27086/may-1997-page-12

Ben Hom

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 2c Re: P2K Mather single deck stock cars Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Robert" robert_kirkham Thanks Ben. Excellent articles by Richard - I missed them when they came
out originally. The best views of the end details are found in the May 1997
article on pages 14 and 15.

I have P2K's model B&O 112263, and no photo. May change the number to match
110556 with multiple open end slats.

Rob Kirkham

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From: Benjamin Hom
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] P2K Mather single deck stock cars

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I was just looking at the box of this model and noticed the drawing shows
openings between the top 5 slats in the end sheathing. The model has inset
slats, but not true cut outs? So the question arises, – how did the
prototype cars look?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"As is often the case, Ron, the answer is “it depends.†I have photos
showing Mather stock cars both with and without the openings. So, as
usual, the only way to be sure is to have a photo of the car you want to
model
taken at about the date you want to model it."

Be advised that the area around the reporting marks may require removal of
some of the material between the boards depending on the prototype.
Life-Like tooled the area to accommodate the largest reporting marks. See
Richard's RMJ articles for more details.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/366/26850/february-1997-page-24
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/369/27086/may-1997-page-12

Ben Hom

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 3a CB&Q mystery stock car Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Claus Schlund HGM" clausschlund Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which can be seen here...

https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTPZopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJmdP-6wFGzQzXUECeSAAROF5YYkTbD9kwke46V7DIW0JrnaNqDEJU/CBQ_stock_01.jpg?psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?

I'm wondering if this would be a plausible kitbash...

Any info appreciated.

- Claus Schlund

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (6) . Top ^ 3b Re: CB&Q mystery stock car Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz Claus

This appears to be a class SM-19C stock car 50500-50599 built at Havelock in
1962. They were double deck, 50' 11" inside length with an inside height of
9' 1", and a Stanway diagonal panel roof. The upper deck was removed from
50595-50599 in 1965.

These cars were a lengthened version of the AAR 40' stock car design with an
additional 5' panel each end just inboard from the trucks. You'll notice
that the diagonals on these panels are at a slightly different angle to the
others.

There is a fuller explanation and a diagram in Bulletin 25.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Claus Schlund HGM
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 3:07 p.m.
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q mystery stock car

Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which
can be seen here...

https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTP
Zopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJ mdP-6wFGzQzXUECe SAAROF5YYkTbD9kw ke46V7DIW0JrnaNq DEJU/CBQ_
stock_01.jpg? psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from
boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?

I'm wondering if this would be a plausible kitbash...

Any info appreciated.

- Claus Schlund

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (6) . Top ^ 3c Re: CB&Q mystery stock car Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Harding" hardingdouglas Claus, the CB&Q leased some 50' double deck stock cars from Mather in the
early 60's. I am on the road, so don't have access to my library, but I
suspect that is what is in the photo. There have been some articles
published on kitbashing the car in HO using the PK2 (Walthers) Mather
stockcar. Stan Radarowicz sells a kit using cast resin parts and the Mather
car to make the kitbash go easier. http://sunshinekits.com/stanpage.html

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr. org

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (6) . Top ^ 3d Re: CB&Q mystery stock car Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Harding" hardingdouglas I concur with Rupert. I knew the Mather cars had double doors.. Like I said,
not home, so no access to the library.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr. org

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (6) . Top ^ 3e Re: CB&Q mystery stock car Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Richard Hendrickson" n1605g On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Claus Schlund HGM <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

> Hi List Members,
>
> I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558
>
> In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which can be seen here...
>
> https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTPZopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJmdP-6wFGzQzXUECeSAAROF5YYkTbD9kwke46V7DIW0JrnaNqDEJU/CBQ_stock_01.jpg?psid=1
>
> Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?
>

Claus, the CB&Q cars were leased from Mather. In the ‘50s Mather rebuilt some of its 40’ stock cars into 50’ double door cars. Some other railroads (e.g., NKP) also leased these 50’ Mather cars.

Richard Hendrickson

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (6) . Top ^ 3f Re: CB&Q mystery stock car Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Rupert & Maureen" gamlenz Richard / Claus

Yes, the CB&Q also had 50' Mather cars on lease (50200-50239) between 1963
and 1967, but they had four central doors whereas the Havelock car had a
single door reinforced with steel bands in an "X", as per the eBay photo.
Also the Mather cars had a solid horizontal board around the base of the
upper deck, whilst all the horizontal slats on the SM-19C were the same
width. Photos of both are in Bulletin 25 for comparison.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

_____

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 3:55 p.m.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q mystery stock car

On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Claus Schlund HGM <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
wrote:

Hi List Members,

I noticed the following Ebay image the other day...

<http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558> http://www.ebay.com/itm/191088507558

In N scale, we have a similar model, with a length of 45', an image of which
can be seen here...

<https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxT
PZopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJmdP-6wFGzQzXUECeSAAROF5YYkTbD9kwke46V7DIW0JrnaNqDEJU/CBQ
_stock_01.jpg?psid=1>
https://pa7rjq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2pScZjtOES4wdZ_qwYjmKbt7WFGGnFCTfdDxTP
Zopt9ZnvI9lbODWcKjJ mdP-6wFGzQzXUECe SAAROF5YYkTbD9kw ke46V7DIW0JrnaNq DEJU/CBQ_
stock_01.jpg? psid=1

Can anyone share any info on these CB&Q cars? Were they conversions from
boxcars? Does anyone know the prototype' s car length?

Claus, the CB&Q cars were leased from Mather. In the '50s Mather rebuilt
some of its 40' stock cars into 50' double door cars. Some other railroads
(e.g., NKP) also leased these 50' Mather cars.

Richard Hendrickson

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (6) . Top ^ 4a Re: Mystery Brass Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by: riverman_vt The caboose looks like one of the second run NERS received in mid-1984, the first run having been rejected and returned to the builder, Woo Yang. These were quickly resold to Sunset Models' Mort Mann, who pedaled them under his "Model Express" label which appears to have been used for all sorts of rejects and over produced items he picked up in Korea. But the second run, like the first on our New England Rail Service cabeese were produced by Woo Yang so I do not know how or why Daeki would have had any. What color was the box, John? That might help pin things down.
Cordially, Don Valentine, New England Rail Service, Inc.

Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (4) . Top ^ 4b Re: Mystery Brass Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "John Barry" northbaylines@att.net Don,

The model and the box are buried in storage at the moment. It may have been yellow, but I've not seen it in several years. It is on my list of things to unearth as I unpack.

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

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From: "riverman_vt@yahoo.com" <riverman_vt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mystery Brass



The caboose looks like one of the second run NERS received in mid-1984, the first run having been rejected and returned to the builder, Woo Yang. These were quickly resold to Sunset Models' Mort Mann, who pedaled them under his "Model Express" label which appears to have been used for all sorts of rejects and over produced items he picked up in Korea. But the second run, like the first on our New England Rail Service cabeese were produced by Woo Yang so I do not know how or why Daeki would have had any. What color was the box, John? That might help pin things down.
Cordially, Don Valentine, New England Rail Service, Inc.

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Re: WP silver paint w/ black also?

George Hollwedel
 

19501 to 19520 were all silver, 19521-19543 had black ends
 
Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-579-0539
http://www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] WP silver paint w/ black also?



I am getting close to painting the 40' PS-1 cars with Chrysler trucks and it has been brought up that these cars had black rook and ends. Can someone throw me a bone and confirm. The picture in the link makes me think they were all silver.
Thanks,
Ross





Re: WP silver paint w/ black also?

 

Seems to me the roof in the picture is darker than the side. The end may be
as well, but with the light angle, I can¹t tell for sure.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Ross Dando <twinstarcars@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 at 3:57 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] WP silver paint w/ black also?







I am getting close to painting the 40' PS-1 cars with Chrysler trucks and it
has been brought up that these cars had black rook and ends. Can someone
throw me a bone and confirm. The picture in the link makes me think they
were all silver.

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/927383/dbf01c7b-eb34-4
334-892c-2540cdce6f07-A28958.jpg
Thanks,
Ross


WP silver paint w/ black also?

twinstarcars
 

I am getting close to painting the 40' PS-1 cars with Chrysler trucks and it has been brought up that these cars had black rook and ends. Can someone throw me a bone and confirm. The picture in the link makes me think they were all silver.
Thanks,
Ross


Re: Flatcar help

John Barry
 

Kevin,

Do you mean 4 axle or 4 truck?  Santa Fe had five modern high capacity flat cars, three of which were depressed center flats.  Ft-X, ATSF 90000, had two six axle trucks and a depressed center.  It and Ft-Y, ATSF 90010, also with two six axle trucks and a flat deck had 125 ton capacity.  Ft-4, ATSF 90020, was the first modern 4 truck car with a flat deck and 248 ton capacity.  Ft-13, ATSF 90005, had the depressed center, four trucks, and 150 tons capacity.  Ft-14, ATSF 90015, also had  the depressed center, four trucks, and 200 tons capacity.  
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682



From: Kevin
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Flatcar help

 
Can anyone offer some prototype roads for 4axle 90 ton depressed center flat cars? I have one I need to paint up and while it may not be exact I'd like to have something semi correct. I know NYC and CNW had some. Did Westinghouse have any to move transformers on?

Thanks
Kevin




Re: [EXTERNAL] Flatcar help (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Kevin;

New Haven had at least one. I don't think Westinghouse had any in that timeframe; they badgered PRR and other into providing much larger ones as they moved to larger and larger transformers (and turbines).

Elden Gatwood

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Can anyone offer some prototype roads for 4axle 90 ton depressed center flat cars? I have one I need to paint up and while it may not be exact I'd like to have something semi correct. I know NYC and CNW had some. Did Westinghouse have any to move transformers on?

Thanks
Kevin
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