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Re: Steam freight car modeling tools - a decent pair of tweezers

albyrno
 

 I use stainless anti-acid,anti magnetic EAEM tweezers made in Switzerland I've had these for 25+ years ,so far they show no signs of wear even though I use them almost everyday.I still pick up .005 wire  from work bench with them they are so well made.My favorite one(OCSA) is 3.25" long and comes to a needle point,(I've stabbed myself several times over the years with this one).I use it for holding the head of NBW details,00-90 screws grab irons and extremely small parts that I don't want flying into next zip code.
     Alan


Re: N&W Test Loading Boxcars

 

Not so strange. I¹ve seen picture of similar cars on SP (car 200) and UP
(car 195220).

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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David, Great find! Think it might have been part of a mobile classroom to
show folks about loading rules, etc.? Al Kresse


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This is too strange to not post:

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=86961
http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=86961

David Thompson








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Re: N&W Test Loading Boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:34 AM, jaydeet2001@... wrote:

This is too strange to not post:

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=86961

David Thompson

Many of the major railroads had similar cars (e.g., in the west Santa Fe, Union Pacific, and Southern Pacific all had one), typically with transparent plastic side sheathing, which were used to graphically educate employees about the damage done to cargo by rough switching and train handling.  So the N&W cars, obviously former USRA single sheathed 50 ton box cars, were not all that strange. 

Richard Hendrickson



Re: N&W Test Loading Boxcars

Charles Peck
 

The L&N RR had a similar car with wire mesh sides. It was equipped with a large speedometer on the side
and an unsecured load inside.  The purpose was to demonstrate the effects of coupling speed on the contents. 
L&N displayed the car in several places but I never got to see the actual demonstration. 
Chuck Peck


Re: N&W Test Loading Boxcars

water.kresse@...
 

David, Great find!  Think it might have been part of a mobile classroom to show folks about loading rules, etc.?  Al Kresse



From: jaydeet2001@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:34:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] N&W Test Loading Boxcars

This is too strange to not post:

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=86961 http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=86961

David Thompson


Re: MRS box car series 8000-8049

Eric Lombard
 

There is a circumstantial case for these being renumbered from ACL 14100-14199, class O-22 built 1941, and/or 14200-14499, class O-24 built 1941. ACL 14000-14099, class O-19, built 1938 may be included, though it has slightly different dimensions. Perhaps someone knowledgable about the ACL can verify this?
  • The dimensions in the 10-1963 ORER are exactly the same for the MRS and ACL series matching no other car series.
  • Same Superior doors.
  • Same side sheet and side sheet rivet pattern.
  • Same ladders
They differ from the builder photo of #14199 in having a strongly reinforced side sill between the bolsters that looks to me, at least, as a later refurbishment.
Other 50-6 cars with Dreadnaught 4-5 ends with W corner posts and double doors have different interior dimensions, side sheet/rivet patterns, door types, roofs, side sills, etc.

I appreciate these "out of bounds" photos when they turn up because I have found them to occasionally supplement a meager photo record for series built earlier in the century when railfan photographers were not so numerous. Thanks for alerting us to it, Tim.
Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Accurail Single Sheathed Box Car - Straight Sill

Mark.Rossiter@...
 

Thanks for the info Ben.  I have a complete set of MM, so I'll ltake a look when I get home tonight.  The font size on the magazine summary page included in each issue got smaller and smaller to the point of being microscopic towards the end.   TRAINS.COM didn't tag the article you referenced at all.

 

Mark Rossiter   


N&W Test Loading Boxcars

David
 

This is too strange to not post:

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=86961

David Thompson


Re: Accurail Single Sheathed Box Car - Straight Sill

Mark.Rossiter@...
 

Thanks Dennis!  That is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.


Re: MRS box car series 8000-8049

David
 

MKT or N&W? I don't think the details of the MRS car match either of those, though.

David Thompson


Re: Steam freight car modeling tools - a decent pair of tweezers

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

If you go to the Otto Frei website, you will see that tweezers of the same style and from the same manufacturer ranges in price depending on the type of material being used. Otto Frei also features a Live Chat if you have questions while you are searching their website. I bought my current (and only) set of tweezers from them back when you actually bought things from a printed catalog with pictures...imagine that!

 

Jack Burgess

 

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I see Dumont Tweezers on Amazon priced from 20 dollars to 50 dollars. Are the ones for 20 some dollars OK?

 

George Toman





Re: Sunshine Type 30 and other tanks

David
 

The Sunshine 6 and 10k (I think, I'd have to check) X-3s were sold out when I tried to order them a year ago. I did get an X-5 kit, though.

David Thompson


Re: Sunshine Type 30 and other tanks

Tom Madden
 

> Does the return of the patterns mean that the X-3 kits are no longer available?

> Wayne M. Dzwonchyk

It's probably moot, Wayne. Martin didn't order any of the X-3 shells after August 2009. Judging by the prices those kits go for on eBay, I'd assumed they were long out of production. From time to time there are rumors of styrene X-3s appearing, but from whom and when I have no idea. As for the patterns, they were Frank's, and after he did the improved Type 30 pattern he allowed as how he'd have done the four X-3s with the domes in place if he were to do those over. So I sent them back to him.

Tom Madden


Re: Accurail Single Sheathed Box Car - Straight Sill

destorzek@...
 

One of the reasons I've never bothered to make straight sill parts for the Accurail "4000 Series" floor is they are so easy to make from strip styrene.

Prototype straight center sills from the era depicted by the kit were universally 12" channel, with a steel cover plate riveted to their tops. The cover plate and top flanges are already modeled on the floor. Scale 12" channel would be .138" deep, and the easiest way to get there is to combine .125 (1/8") strip (I use .030 thick as it's a good fit in the grooves in the floor) with .015 x .060 strip for the bottom flange. This totals .140 deep, a scale 1/8" off, and works well with the crossbearer cover plates molded on the floor, which end up looking like they pass under the sills, as they should.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: Steam freight car modeling tools - a decent pair of tweezers

riverman_vt@...
 

Hi folks,

    Those seeking tools might also try a good jewelers supply firm. Hub Jeweler's Supply on Washington St. in Boston used to be great for tools but I'm not certain they are still in business. But Stuller's is still around and have all sorts of things of use to the serious model maker or builder. They can be found at www.stuller.com and have a site for tools that will blow most folks' minds.

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Re: Accurail Single Sheathed Box Car - Straight Sill

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeremy Dummler wrote:
"I’m not familiar with the article you are looking for, however, Central Valley Model Works sells a steel under frame kit for 40cars that will fit the Accurail cars." http://www.shop.cvmw.com/40ftSteelUnderFrameKit-3-1000.htm


It's from their NP stock car kit; however, it WILL NOT fit the Accurail car without work as it's too wide for the original prototype, much less a single-sheathed boxcar.  Also, IIRC, the kingpin-to-striker spacing may not work for the SS prototypes that can be represented by the Accurail boxcar.


Ben Hom


Re: Accurail Single Sheathed Box Car - Straight Sill

Jeremy Dummler
 

Ben,
I’m not familiar with the article you are looking for, however, Central Valley Model Works sells a steel under frame kit for 40’ cars that will fit the Accurail cars.  http://www.shop.cvmw.com/40ftSteelUnderFrameKit-3-1000.htm

Hope that helps.

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL

On Mar 26, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Mark Rossiter asked:
"I am looking for an article that appeared in one of the modeling magazines back in the 1990’s that described replacing the stock fishbelly underframe on an Accurail single sheathed box car with a straight sill.  I am aware of the Tim T. Swan article that appeared in the June 1997 issue of Model Railroading, but that is not the article I had in mind.  A search using the TRAINS.COM magazine index was of no further help.  I’m hoping someone on this list has more organized reference notes than I do."

Try John Nehrich's "Bettendorf Boxcar" from the August 1996 issue of Mainline Modeler, where he describes doing stand-in models for M-K-T and C&NW cars from the Accurail kits.

Mainline Modeler plays hell with the magazine index - one of Hundman's bad habits was using completely vague non-descriptive titles for articles.

Ben Hom



Re: Accurail Single Sheathed Box Car - Straight Sill

Benjamin Hom
 

Mark Rossiter asked:
"I am looking for an article that appeared in one of the modeling magazines back in the 1990’s that described replacing the stock fishbelly underframe on an Accurail single sheathed box car with a straight sill.  I am aware of the Tim T. Swan article that appeared in the June 1997 issue of Model Railroading, but that is not the article I had in mind.  A search using the TRAINS.COM magazine index was of no further help.  I’m hoping someone on this list has more organized reference notes than I do."

Try John Nehrich's "Bettendorf Boxcar" from the August 1996 issue of Mainline Modeler, where he describes doing stand-in models for M-K-T and C&NW cars from the Accurail kits.

Mainline Modeler plays hell with the magazine index - one of Hundman's bad habits was using completely vague non-descriptive titles for articles.


Ben Hom


Re: Steam freight car modeling tools - a decent pair of tweezers

gtws00
 

I see Dumont Tweezers on Amazon priced from 20 dollars to 50 dollars. Are the ones for 20 some dollars OK?


George Toman


Re: Sunshine Type 30 and other tanks

wdzwonchyk
 

Does the return of the patterns mean that the X-3 kits are no longer available?
Wayne M. Dzwonchyk
 
 

On 03/25/14, pullmanboss@... wrote:
 
 

The Sunshine Type 30 tank car kit consists of an InterMountain 8K tank car shell plus cast resin underframe, detail parts and dome. Prepping the IM tank is a bit daunting - there's the usual work of removing the tank bands, filling all the holes, replacing rivets where the bands crossed the tank top seam, and removing everything from the lower shell except the rivets and center anchor. In addition, you have to enlarge the dome hole out to the outer edge of the dome saddle, then add a new resin saddle and larger dome. I did one and found the work to accommodate the larger dome was the fussiest part of the whole job.  Frank Hodina, who did the patterns for that kit, thought so too. He wanted to build five so he did one tank really well and had duplicates cast. Frank's tank is complete with dome and includes all of the work described above, plus he spotted holes for all the handrail stanchions. The issue which I place before this august body is (and this is not a for sale post), is there any interest in these? I don't know how many Type 30s Martin sold, or how many got put back on the shelf for another day because of the drudge work of prepping the IM tank shell, but these cast tanks eliminate a LOT of the work in getting that kit built. Shrinkage is just under half a percent, 4.570" vs. 4.590" overall length, less than one HO inch from the center to each end, so it fits the kit underframe very nicely. The pattern needs a couple of tweaks before it's ready for prime time, although the additional work needed on the seven I cast (six for Frank and one for me) is pretty minimal. (The IM shell I spent so much time on went in the trash can.)


I don't see any need for this beyond replacing the tank in the Sunshine Type 30 kit. Tangent's beautiful little three dome tank is on a Type 30 underframe. I don't know what their future plans are, but one would hope they'd do other variations of frame length and gallonage.


While on the subject of replacement tanks, the mods required on the IM 8K tank in the Speedwitch NADX tank kit are exactly those Frank did on the pattern for the Sunshine UTLX X-3 8K Long tank car kit. (And the same as those done for the Type 30, less the new dome.) I recently returned all the X-3 tank patterns to Frank, but if there's interest in replacement tanks for the Speedwitch kit that could be pursued too.


Another use for the same modified IM 8K tank is what Frank calls a GATC "Type 22". This is the early 1920s variation with cast bolsters having integral poling pockets. Frank has done patterns for the bolsters, walkway supports and AB reservoir support channels, variations on those in the Sunshine GATC Radial [circumferential] Rivet tank car kit. At present the underframe is a straightforward kitbash from the InterMountain underframe, but it could possibly be done as a complete cast resin underframe too.


Please, restrict on-list discussion to the general subject of upgraded parts for existing resin kits, and reply off-list with specific requests. And if anyone has a better label than "Type 22", for that GATC tank, please put it forward!


Tom Madden

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