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Re: Walthers Hideous Tank Car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Well, as I wrote in my post, YMMV.  But I liked Tim O’Connor’s comparison to a pig with lipstick.

Richard Hendrickson


On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Al Brown wrote:

I humbly suggest that this car can be improved, with some work but without undue difficulty. Pending the moderators' approval, I've posted a few photos in an album called "Upgraded Walthers Tank Cars". Both cars date from 1993-94 originally, were upgraded between 2010 and 2013, and have been shown at Cocoa Beach. They're meant to represent prototypes shown in Culotta, FCRM 2 pp 46-49 and 52-55; see what y'all think. Put it this way, I liked the first one (GATX 30903) well enough to do the second (GATX 18130). The underframe shown belongs to GATX 18130.

        Despite the severe criticism of Mr. Hendrickson, I too have tried to improve these cars, mostly from the days when we had few alternatives. It always intrigued me that the Walthers model has almost exactly copied the former Varney/Lifelike tank, but a new underframe. If you think the Walthers underframe sucks, you must never have seen the Varney version. One thing that helps any of these cars immensely is to replace the enormously oversize and clunky manway cover on the dome top. You can use a bolted cover of the more modern type, or the old screw-in type; the Tichy tank car detail set contains both. I showed this replacement in a blog post awhile back, which is at this link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA



Re: Oil unloading

Scott Kremer
 

Thanks for the quick response.  I was unable to view the latest issue of MRH at he time it came out.  Thanks for reminding me to look at it and thanks for another good article.  The info was just what I was looking for and the modeling great.

Thanks,
Scott

On Mar 29, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:



Re: Walthers Hideous Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 

Al Brown wrote:

I humbly suggest that this car can be improved, with some work but without undue difficulty. Pending the moderators' approval, I've posted a few photos in an album called "Upgraded Walthers Tank Cars". Both cars date from 1993-94 originally, were upgraded between 2010 and 2013, and have been shown at Cocoa Beach. They're meant to represent prototypes shown in Culotta, FCRM 2 pp 46-49 and 52-55; see what y'all think. Put it this way, I liked the first one (GATX 30903) well enough to do the second (GATX 18130). The underframe shown belongs to GATX 18130.

        Despite the severe criticism of Mr. Hendrickson, I too have tried to improve these cars, mostly from the days when we had few alternatives. It always intrigued me that the Walthers model has almost exactly copied the former Varney/Lifelike tank, but a new underframe. If you think the Walthers underframe sucks, you must never have seen the Varney version. One thing that helps any of these cars immensely is to replace the enormously oversize and clunky manway cover on the dome top. You can use a bolted cover of the more modern type, or the old screw-in type; the Tichy tank car detail set contains both. I showed this replacement in a blog post awhile back, which is at this link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Oil unloading

Tim O'Connor
 

I think gasoline and fuel oil could be unloaded by gravity, through
the bottom outlet. Tar and viscous oils would be heated first by running
steam through heating coils inside the tank, and then they would flow by
gravity. You could also open the top of the tank and siphon oil out with
a hose -- that may be how they got 'every last drop' out of the car.

Tim O'Connor

I am in the process of building a model of a 1955 wholesale bulk petroleum facility that would handle oil and gasoline for sale in a mid sized town. I would like to know how tank cars for petroleum products were unloaded in facilities of this type. It is a subject I have not seen discussed nor does there seem to be much internet info available for the 1955 period.
Thanks,
Scott Kremer


Re: Walthers Hideous Tank Car

al_brown03
 

I humbly suggest that this car can be improved, with some work but without undue difficulty. Pending the moderators' approval, I've posted a few photos in an album called "Upgraded Walthers Tank Cars". Both cars date from 1993-94 originally, were upgraded between 2010 and 2013, and have been shown at Cocoa Beach. They're meant to represent prototypes shown in Culotta, FCRM 2 pp 46-49 and 52-55; see what y'all think. Put it this way, I liked the first one (GATX 30903) well enough to do the second (GATX 18130). The underframe shown belongs to GATX 18130.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Oil unloading

Tony Thompson
 

Scott Kremer wrote:

I am in the process of building a model of a 1955 wholesale bulk petroleum facility that would handle oil and gasoline for sale in a mid sized town.  I would like to know how tank cars for petroleum products were unloaded in facilities of this type.  It is a subject I have not seen discussed nor does there seem to be much internet info available for the 1955 period.

     Scott, I wrote an article in the on-line magazine Model Railroad Hobbyist, March 2014 issue, about bulk oil dealers. If it is of interest, you can download it for free from their web site. I wrote about that example of my column in my blog; here is a link:


     Although some states prohibited gravity unloading and required tank cars to be pumped out (one I know about is Illinois), most states permitted gravity unloading and all that was needed was a hose to attach to the bottom outlet of the tank car.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Oil unloading

Scott Kremer
 

I am in the process of building a model of a 1955 wholesale bulk petroleum facility that would handle oil and gasoline for sale in a mid sized town.  I would like to know how tank cars for petroleum products were unloaded in facilities of this type.  It is a subject I have not seen discussed nor does there seem to be much internet info available for the 1955 period.
Thanks,
Scott Kremer


Photo of ATSF 108316 LG-2

David Sieber
 

Found a nice shot of an LG-2; from series ATSF 108305-108504 converted 1953-54 from GA-8 gons (though the slide was taken a bit after this group's era :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Railroad-Slide-Santa-Fe-Log-Flat-Car-108316-10-13-1961-Silsbee-TX-ATSF-SF-train-/111312144547?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19eab888a3

Enjoy!  Dave Sieber, Reno NV


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Re: STMFC

Marty McGuirk
 

Sometimes a pig with lipstick is just a funny looking pig…
Marty McGuirk


Re: Walthers Hideous Tank Car

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tod and friends,

This is the Walthers tank car in question: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/910-1001 . As some people have pointed out, this is similar to the 1950s Varney tank car, later Lifelike (long before the Proto 2000 era). The Varney car I had as a youth had no rivets, and did not have near the detailing of the Walthers car. I suspect the Walthers tank is new tooling, but was dimensioned off the original Varney car. Train Miniature originally showed a similar car on their boxes. Shortly after TM was taken over by Walthers in the 1970s, this car appeared in their catalogs. It might actually have been TM tooling that was never put into production before the company sold out.

Thank you all for answering my question. It looks like my idea got lots of raspberries, and that's o.k. Yes, Richard, I do have one of the Proto 2000 type 21s in Sinclair. This Walthers tank still has a use, along with a half-dozen or so unimproved Accurail boxcars and a couple of Athearn hoppers. They are expendable cars that visiting kids to run on my layout, and I won't be too upset if they take that long dive to the floor.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/28/14 4:33 PM, Riverboy wrote:
 
I don't want to sound too ignorant, but exactly which Walthers tank car are you referring to? I'd like to look and see how hideous it really is.

Tod Dwyer (Ohio) 
 

From: Garth Groff
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers Hideous Tank Car
 
Friends,

After a long break for other interests, I have returned to trains and
rejoined this group. It will be great to become reacquainted with old
friends, and make some new ones.

So I'm sitting here looking at a Walthers tank car. When I cleared out
my Athearn-quality cars years back I kept this car. I figured it would
be good to have a dozen or so "expendable" cars that guests or kids
could run on my layout and not cause me to have a coronary if they were
damaged, and at that time I was building a portable layout to take to a
now-defunct train show I often attended. Besides, it is a Sinclair car,
and my sweetheart is a Sinclair by descent. She always liked this car,
and it never hurts to score points with one's spouse.

I know the tank scales out to about 11K gallons and the dome is
oversized. What intrigues me is the underframe and tank saddles. Is the
underframe close to any prototype, especially one not done with more
quality by the IM or Proto cars? I'm wondering if anyone has ever
considered shimming the saddles and dropping a more prototypical tank
onto this underframe to get something a bit different. Detailing on the
frame itself is a bit clunky, but the corner steps, and some of the rods
and piping, could be replaced by wire for a layout-quality car.

Thoughts? Ideas? Raspberries?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


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Tim O'Connor
 

A rare and beautiful shot of a BR-40-10 riding on Symington-Gould trucks!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400683411351

Tim O'Connor


Re: Hat maker in Maine

Chad Boas
 

Is it a Kromer Cap?

Chad Boas


Re: Fine Wire Screen Material Found in my Kitchen

Tim O'Connor
 


By "400 mesh" does that mean "400 to the inch"?

If so, that sounds pretty fine to me!

Tim O'Connor




At 3/28/2014 07:53 PM Friday, you wrote:


Before all of you go to Walmart and spend your hard earned dollars on coffee filters, be aware that I sent Bill Welch a sample of 400 mesh stainless steel that I prefer for window screening in HO scale. We are all awaiting Bill�s learned evaluation relative to it�s suitability for the SAL car.
 
My coffee filter is crude by comparison, so I highly recommend that you wait for Bill�s evaluation. I have a lifetime supply of the 400 mesh, and I�m willing to sell it at cost plus a first class stamp. My cost at the time of purchase was 15� per square inch. I don�t yet know how many square inches it takes for the
SAL car, but your total cost is certain to be under $2.00 and probably $1.00 including postage.
 
Nelson Moyer
 


Re: Fine Wire Screen Material Found in my Kitchen

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Before all of you go to Walmart and spend your hard earned dollars on coffee filters, be aware that I sent Bill Welch a sample of 400 mesh stainless steel that I prefer for window screening in HO scale. We are all awaiting Bill’s learned evaluation relative to it’s suitability for the SAL car.

 

My coffee filter is crude by comparison, so I highly recommend that you wait for Bill’s evaluation. I have a lifetime supply of the 400 mesh, and I’m willing to sell it at cost plus a first class stamp. My cost at the time of purchase was 15¢ per square inch. I don’t yet know how many square inches it takes for the SAL car, but your total cost is certain to be under $2.00 and probably $1.00 including postage.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of jon miller
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fine Wire Screen Material Found in my Kitchen

 

 

On 3/28/2014 3:56 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
>
> I found some ribbon at Walmart that was made of a sheer material that
> looks just like miniature screen.

It's would be good to define the material a little better. Going to
Walmart and using that description would probably end up making me want
to strangle someone [grin]!

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Fine Wire Screen Material Found in my Kitchen

Scott H. Haycock
 

I found it in the sewing department. They had a display of rolls of ribbon. The stuff I found was black, and has wire along along the edges to make it stiffer than regular ribbon. If you hold it up to the light it has a transparent quality to it. The weave is very fine and hard to see without magnification. The brand name on the roll is Offray, and it is described as "wired sheer". You can probably find it at any fabric store as well.  

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 

On 3/28/2014 3:56 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
>
> I found some ribbon at Walmart that was made of a sheer material that
> looks just like miniature screen.

It's would be good to define the material a little better. Going to
Walmart and using that description would probably end up making me want
to strangle someone [grin]!

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Fine Wire Screen Material Found in my Kitchen

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/28/2014 3:56 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

I found some ribbon at Walmart that was made of a sheer material that looks just like miniature screen.
It's would be good to define the material a little better. Going to Walmart and using that description would probably end up making me want to strangle someone [grin]!

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Fine Wire Screen Material Found in my Kitchen

Scott H. Haycock
 

I found some ribbon at Walmart that was made of a sheer material that looks just like miniature screen. It is much more see-through than most metal screen that I've used, like the Clover House stuff.    I bought a 2-1/2" wide roll (a lifetime supply) for a few dollars. 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment


 

I looked at the mesh teabag photo, found the Haney cachet bags and Googled white mesh bag that led to organza party bags. They're all over the internet but I landed at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/White-Organza-Wedding-Favor-Package/dp/B0009YUKAW
I'll bet they can be found at Hobby Lobby or a party store. And probably organza cloth comes in different grades, mesh and weave.


Randy Danniel



Re: Walthers Hideous Tank Car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 28, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Riverboy <river_dweller_ohio@...> wrote:


I don't want to sound too ignorant, but exactly which Walthers tank car are you referring to? I'd like to look and see how hideous it really is.

Tod Dwyer (Ohio)

Tod, it’s the model Walthers describes as a “36’ 10,000 gal. AC&F tank car.”  Don’t confuse this model, whose origins go way back to an even worse piece of Varney junk, with the former Life-Like Proto 2000 tank cars, now made by Walthers, which are good, prototypically accurate models of AC&F Type 21s.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Walthers Hideous Tank Car

Riverboy
 

Thanks Tim. I actually kind of forgot about this Walthers release. Yes, it would need a lot of work to make it into a much more accurate car.

Tod Dwyer (Ohio)
 

From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers Hideous Tank Car
 
This was their tank car inherited from VARNEY! So the tooling precedes
the era of the commercial jet aircraft. :-)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191109900168

Tim O'Connor

>I don't want to sound too ignorant, but exactly which Walthers tank car are you referring to? I'd like to look and see how hideous it really is.
>Tod Dwyer (Ohio)

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