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Red Caboose PFE 30-9-12 kit to kitbash as an MDT Type 4 Reefer?

Bill Welch
 

I am curious if anyone has used the Red Caboose PFE 30-9-12 kit to kitbash as an MDT Type 4 Reefer? I know a fishbelly u/f is necessary but I am wondering if anyone in the group has used the RC kit as a point of departure.

Bill Welch


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

Brian Carlson
 

I sent a follow up but haven't seen it. The cars were converted from LV quad hoppers in 1959-1960ish new entry in 1959 ORER.
Brian Carlson


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

The note about "Scranton 1948-10-15" refers to the next image down the list not the one in the provided link. Can you read the re-weigh date?

There is no listing for these cars in the October 1955 ORER so the "FC" flats appeared after that date.

Bob Witt


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

Bruce Smith
 

Don, Folks,

While a quick glance might seem to indicate that the build date is 12/70, a closer look shows that the build date is in fact 12/20 or 12/30 (I favor the former) and that the stencil has been partially obscured, probably due to Mike Brock weathering it.  The purported date of the photo is October 15, 1948, location Scranton PA.  I'm not certain about that date as I do not know if trailers of this size were in use at that time and the fifth wheel hitch is an issue, but the chaining of the trailer behind does indicate that this is probably early 1950s at the latest.  The reweigh on the car is also obscured or that might shed additional light on the question


Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of riverman_vt@... [riverman_vt@...]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 7:03 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon



     The car has a 12/70 built date, which puts it beynd the scope of this list but I am wondering if ti wa built as seen in the photo or has been modified in some way? An interesting peice of rolling stock in any case.

Cordially, Don Valentine




Re: LV flat car with a trailer

ed_mines
 

........photo of one of the original short, LV fishbelly gons.........

 

Ed Mines


interesting Google searches

ed_mines
 

Try Sunshine models and C&BT.

 

Ed Mines


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

As others have said, I too use the Hi Tech hoses. I've had Kadee hoses break the first time I put a finished car on the tracks.

 

Jack Burgess

 

Kadee makes a bracket and hose mount.    Hubert Mask. 


On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:50 PM, "GARY" <garywildu@...> wrote:

 

I am planning on doing about 100 cars on my layout with Air Hose and the brakes hose mounting bracket. Can anybody recommend a brand to buy.  They will have Kadee #5 on the cars.
Thanks for any help on this.
Gary





Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Bruce Smith
 

Nelson beat me to it! <G>  I was about to suggest the same approach.  The rubber air hoses are the only thing you will ever use, once you start to use them!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of Nelson Moyer [ku0a@...]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 4:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Brake Hose mounting Brackets



Hi Tech Details HO AAR Air Hoses, 22 in. with or without brackets. I use Precision Scale 39156 brackets, since they most closely approximate those found on most CB&Q cars. The PS metal brackets are a royal pain to drill out, but they look good on cars. The flexible Hi Tech Details air hoses are a huge improvement over Kadee plastic or PS metal air hoses, but they are pricy.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Hubert Mask
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 4:05 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Brake Hose mounting Brackets

 

 

Kadee makes a bracket and hose mount.    Hubert Mask. 


On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:50 PM, "GARY" <garywildu@...> wrote:

 

I am planning on doing about 100 cars on my layout with Air Hose and the brakes hose mounting bracket. Can anybody recommend a brand to buy.  They will have Kadee #5 on the cars.
Thanks for any help on this.
Gary




Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Hi Tech Details HO AAR Air Hoses, 22 in. with or without brackets. I use Precision Scale 39156 brackets, since they most closely approximate those found on most CB&Q cars. The PS metal brackets are a royal pain to drill out, but they look good on cars. The flexible Hi Tech Details air hoses are a huge improvement over Kadee plastic or PS metal air hoses, but they are pricy.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Hubert Mask
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 4:05 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Brake Hose mounting Brackets

 

 

Kadee makes a bracket and hose mount.    Hubert Mask. 


On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:50 PM, "GARY" <garywildu@...> wrote:

 

I am planning on doing about 100 cars on my layout with Air Hose and the brakes hose mounting bracket. Can anybody recommend a brand to buy.  They will have Kadee #5 on the cars.
Thanks for any help on this.
Gary


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

Riverboy
 

I can't get this link to work. I even tried the copy/paste method. It is not clickable. 
 

From: Brian Carlson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon
 
From another list thought it would be of interest here.

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-06-14

LV11089-flatwithload.jpg (image/jpeg, 1024x445 73384 bytes, BF: 6.21 ppb)

David J. Monte Verde

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

hubert mask
 

Kadee makes a bracket and hose mount.    Hubert Mask. 


On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:50 PM, "GARY" <garywildu@...> wrote:

 

I am planning on doing about 100 cars on my layout with Air Hose and the brakes hose mounting bracket. Can anybody recommend a brand to buy.  They will have Kadee #5 on the cars.
Thanks for any help on this.
Gary


LV flat car with a trailer

ed_mines
 

I think that "flat" car was originally a gondola.

I recall having seen an actual photo of one of these  cars.

 

Ed Mines


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

rwitt_2000
 

I agree it is a very interesting flat car, but something is not right with the stenciled built date of "12-70".

The October 1959 ORER has a listing for a series of Lehigh Valley 40-ft flat cars with AAR class "FC", 11000 to 11049, with 37 cars on the roster.

Does any one have a diagram book for the LV to verify the built dates?


Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Gary Wildung
 

I am planning on doing about 100 cars on my layout with Air Hose and the brakes hose mounting bracket. Can anybody recommend a brand to buy.  They will have Kadee #5 on the cars.
Thanks for any help on this.
Gary


Southern Black vs. FCR Paint

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Can anyone give me an idea when the Southern shifted from black to red paint for their open-topped cars? I have a few photos of Southern flats and gons painted FCR, but in MOW service circa 1980. I'm interested in something reasonably correct for the early 1950s, preferably 40' or 46' IL.

Thanks much for any help.


Garth Groff


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

riverman_vt@...
 

     The car has a 12/70 built date, which puts it beynd the scope of this list but I am wondering if ti wa built as seen in the photo or has been modified in some way? An interesting peice of rolling stock in any case.

Cordially, Don Valentine


SP GS modeling

John Barry
 

I came across a scene that I just have to recreate, as it occurred at the sand house that I'm modelling in Richmond, CA.  Three different photos of SP drop bottom gons on the supply pile.  Where did the sand come from and how to model it are the two questions that come to mind.  Why is the third.  

I recall something that I think  Tony T posted on his blog about a sand source near Watsonville on the coast.  That could make sense as you want good clean sand for your locos and sources in the central valley not so much.  But I'd like to confirm that.

Two, thanks to the SP info on Railgoat's site I was able to come up with several candidate car numbers.  I'm very confident that the partial number I saw in one photo, 2459, is actually 92459, a G-50-11.  The other number looks like X 3/5 0/6 19 which could fall into the , 92900-93899 G-50-12 (93619, 93019), or the 94500-95199 (95019) series.  Despite NEO, I managed to find some info on the SP GS gondolas and so far I've learned that Detail Associates made a kit that would build the -15 and Ulrich had a cast metal kit that could do the -11/12.  What did I miss?  53120-53729 G-50-2 (53619) would be a possibility, but they were tight bottom cars and the photos show drop bottoms.  I read, but failed to write down the type of end to use for -15 as DA had an option that distinguished it from the other kit that could only make later series cars.  Is there a better option, short of brass that is available for the 11-12 cars?  Do any of you have an Ulrich car you would like to sell?  

Writing this brought up a fourth question related to 1&3, did SP ship sand to other ATSF points?  If so, how was it routed?  I can't see SP short hauling itself and expect that they routed the car SP Richmond ATSF delivery.  I suppose Santa Fe could have ordered the cars for SF delivery and not told SP about the extra distance, but I don't think that would have been kosher.  Besides, someone surely would have seen sand gons on the car floats and snapped a photo, so I don't think that was the routing.  But I could see Fresno and Bakersfield getting their sand from Watsonville too.  This I just have to get to the bottom of. 

All of this is a long way to say that if you model Santa Fe Loco service in NorCal, you need to model SP.


John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

Brian Carlson
 

From another list thought it would be of interest here.

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-06-14

LV11089-flatwithload.jpg (image/jpeg, 1024x445 73384 bytes, BF: 6.21 ppb)

David J. Monte Verde



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY


Re: UP steel boxcars

caboose9792@...
 

The UP express cars with double doors (is there more than one class?) I am familiar with had high speed trucks. Brad Andonian or anyone else wanting to see a "quick grab" picture of one truck email me today as I happen to have one handy before I hit the road for the week.
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 4/3/2014 4:04:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, oscale@... writes:
Not sure but almost all express cars have at least different details from the straight freight cars - body and under frame

Jack McGarry

Allegheny Scale Models
470 Schooley's Mountain Road
Suite 8-117
Hackettstown, New Jersey
07840


Re: HO Barber 70 Ton Trucks

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Dan,



I am interested in 10 pair shipped to the east coast zip 19450 and paid
through Paypal. Thanks.



Dave Pfeiffer







From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
espeefan@...
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:27 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] HO Barber 70 Ton Trucks





After a wait of several years, I am offering the Red Caboose 70 Ton truck to
the group at $3.90/pair without wheel sets. Postage will be added and for
Paypay, their extra fees will be added.

These trucks were originally done for the RC SP F-70-7 flatcar and other SP
cars used these trucks also, although spring packs varied on some. As
Richard Hendrickson noted:"the Barber S-2 was one of the two truck designs
that were widely used from the end of WW II through the '50s (the other
being the ASF A-3), so the 70 ton Barber S-2 was applied to many cars built
for many different railroads, chiefly (but not exclusively) flat cars, mill
gondolas, large hoppers, and covered hoppers. Later in the '50s, they were
also applied to a growing number of 70 ton box, auto, insulated box, and
mechanical refrigerator cars.
.If you are interested or have questions, contact me OFF LIST at
<espeefan@...>. Thanks.

Dan Smith

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