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Re: MDT repaint practices

ROGER HINMAN
 

I presume you mean the entire 5000 series, generally showing in the equipment registers as 5000-5950, then the balance as a separate lot although they were all part of the same build lot.

I have quite a few stencil drawings for MDT cars but only one drawing that indicates paint colors and the paints are only given generic names and that drawing is for a white car.  Assuming you're not interested in the old red white and blue scheme used on the cars when built, MDT/NRL went to a standard paint scheme just before the war which is shown in a couple of the Delano photos. The one in my book shows a freshly painted car with a more orange tone, but all the other cars are an orange yellow which is faded. A deeper shade of paint was introduced in the late fifties along with the font style change.

 I have  a color photo taken by S Peter Nyce in 1957 before the paint changed and it's a dirty yellow range side, with oxide red ends and roof. If you have a photo where the roof appears to be yellow, one guess is its aluminum paint which was tried on some cars; I also have a color photo from Bob's Photo(late 50s) with a freshly painted B&M caboose in the foreground tied to MDT 5199 which has a very faded orange yellow color but the sides of the ice hatches are painted the body color although the roof and tops of the hatches are red. This may appear as a yellow roof on a frontal shot. For about a ten year period starting just after the war began, the reweigh stencils were done in white stencil paste inside a black box which is standout feature if you model in that date range.  I call this the Gerry Stewart scheme since he first highlighted it to me and I have a stencil drawing that confirms it was on the drawing.

Don't know if this helps, but the standard advice is nail down the date you want your car to be and find a photo of a car in that period.


Roger Hinman


On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:00 AM, <cepropst@q.com> <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I just finished a kitbash of a MDT 5700-5799 series reefer. Members of this group were kind enough to send me a few photos of these cars. The WWII color photos show the car in a ‘standard’ yellow sides with black hardware and bcr roof and ends. A later shot in b/w shows the entire side painted yellow and what appears to be a yellow roof too.
If that’s the case, what color would the ends be? (it’s a straight on side shot) Did MDT have a standard repainting practice?
Thanks for any help, much appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



Re: Boraxo Covered Hopper

JoelDee
 

David, this is a Mojave Desert item no later than through the 60s.  If you don't model Sante Fe or the West, I would like to buy the car.  In the end, as I recall, they had their own short haul RR.  The Trona unit was sold numerous times and I think the last owner was the greatest polluter in our nation--have fun with the research as it is a great read.

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:02 PM, John Trulson <norskeviking@...> wrote:
 
They carried Borax and much later than the twenty mule teams of course, and was Ronald Reagans job as host of the show. And I hate to admit being old enough to watch, but I don't think I missed a show.  John Trulson
----- Original Message -----
From: David
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Boraxo Covered Hopper

 

I have an AtlasO ACF 70-ton 2-bay 1958 cu ft covered hopper lettered for Boraxo with reporting marks of GACX 40231 Blt 9-50 New 9-50.

Is anyone familiar with the commodity / commodities shipped in these cars and potential destinations?

I don't recall ever seeing one in service, but I do recall "Twenty Mule Team Borax" being the sponsor of "Death Valley Days" when I was a youngster (and those who also recall know how long that has been).

Thanks!

David Payne
Georgia




Re: Boraxo Covered Hopper

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

The U.S. Borax Company originally used their famous wagons to haul Borax out of Ryan in Death Valley. Later this was served by the narrow gauge Death Valley Railway. Around 1927 a new open pit mine was opened near Boron, California on the ATSF. This pit was still going strong in the 1950s. Where the borax went is a good question. Obviously they made soap out of it, but it has a lot of other commercial uses.

See David Myrick's RAILROADS OF NEVADA AND EASTERN CALIFORNIA, v. 2 for more information.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Boraxo Covered Hopper

Charles Peck
 

The product was borax. After processing and packaging it became Boraxo. As for destination, it found its way
to many sinks where railroad boilermakers, railroad engineers, and railroad carmen washed railroad
dirt, grime, soot, and other natural railroad weathering materials off their hands.  It could at times be found 
at both ends of Sherman Hill as well as roundhouses from Vancouver to Miami. 
Chuckles aka Chuck Peck


Re: Boraxo Covered Hopper

John Trulson <norskeviking@...>
 

They carried Borax and much later than the twenty mule teams of course, and was Ronald Reagans job as host of the show. And I hate to admit being old enough to watch, but I don't think I missed a show.  John Trulson

----- Original Message -----
From: David
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Boraxo Covered Hopper

 


I have an AtlasO ACF 70-ton 2-bay 1958 cu ft covered hopper lettered for Boraxo with reporting marks of GACX 40231 Blt 9-50 New 9-50.

Is anyone familiar with the commodity / commodities shipped in these cars and potential destinations?

I don't recall ever seeing one in service, but I do recall "Twenty Mule Team Borax" being the sponsor of "Death Valley Days" when I was a youngster (and those who also recall know how long that has been).

Thanks!

David Payne
Georgia


Boraxo Covered Hopper

David Payne
 

I have an AtlasO ACF 70-ton 2-bay 1958 cu ft covered hopper lettered for Boraxo with reporting marks of GACX 40231 Blt 9-50 New 9-50.

Is anyone familiar with the commodity / commodities shipped in these cars and potential destinations?

I don't recall ever seeing one in service, but I do recall "Twenty Mule Team Borax" being the sponsor of "Death Valley Days" when I was a youngster (and those who also recall know how long that has been).

Thanks!

David Payne
Georgia


Re: Swift (SRLX) Steel Reefers in the Yellow Scheme?

Jason Kliewer
 

Thanks Jim, 

Jason


Re: Sanborn signals

 

Thanks. That search also revealed this:
http://www.google.com/patents/US1234664


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: David bott <dbott@vt.edu>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sanborn signals







Search Google books with term "sanborn signal railroad" and a drawing in
American Engineer, Car Builder, and Railroad Journal Volume 71, page 878
appears. Should help.

David Bott
On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:33 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@gmail.com> wrote:




I have a friend (John Romberger) who is looking for information on these. I
must confess I¹ve never heard of them. Can anyone here help?

"I am trying hard to get back to the model bench after a long hiatus and
have been tinkering with an old CNW depot kit and Sanborn signal kit. I
don't really have any good close up pictures of a Sanborn to understand all
the pieces and how it was illuminated. Can you point me to some drawings or
close up pictures? I am a member of the historical society and poked around
on the website but sorta got overwhelmed and fell asleep looking for
pictures."

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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Re: Sanborn signals

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Search Google books with term "sanborn signal railroad" and a drawing in American Engineer, Car Builder, and Railroad Journal Volume 71, page 878 appears.  Should help.

David Bott


On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:33 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

 

I have a friend (John Romberger) who is looking for information on these. I
must confess I¹ve never heard of them. Can anyone here help?

"I am trying hard to get back to the model bench after a long hiatus and
have been tinkering with an old CNW depot kit and Sanborn signal kit. I
don't really have any good close up pictures of a Sanborn to understand all
the pieces and how it was illuminated. Can you point me to some drawings or
close up pictures? I am a member of the historical society and poked around
on the website but sorta got overwhelmed and fell asleep looking for
pictures."

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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Re: UP steel boxcars

Rex Racer
 

The express boxcars also had steam lines and steel wheels (along with the high speed trucks) so they could operate in passenger consists. Obviously, the auto boxes wouldn't need either of these.

Jeff Maurer
Sacramento Valley NTrak


Sanborn signals

 

I have a friend (John Romberger) who is looking for information on these. I
must confess I¹ve never heard of them. Can anyone here help?

"I am trying hard to get back to the model bench after a long hiatus and
have been tinkering with an old CNW depot kit and Sanborn signal kit. I
don't really have any good close up pictures of a Sanborn to understand all
the pieces and how it was illuminated. Can you point me to some drawings or
close up pictures? I am a member of the historical society and poked around
on the website but sorta got overwhelmed and fell asleep looking for
pictures."


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni


MDT repaint practices

Clark Propst
 

I just finished a kitbash of a MDT 5700-5799 series reefer. Members of this group were kind enough to send me a few photos of these cars. The WWII color photos show the car in a ‘standard’ yellow sides with black hardware and bcr roof and ends. A later shot in b/w shows the entire side painted yellow and what appears to be a yellow roof too.
If that’s the case, what color would the ends be? (it’s a straight on side shot) Did MDT have a standard repainting practice?
Thanks for any help, much appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <danspachmd@...> wrote :

Some years ago, Tim O'Connor pointed out that the Kadee brake hose mount was indeed unique, and used only on log or log bunk cars, the car kits for which Kadee originally designed them for.  

Hi Doc,

That is undoubtedly true, but the Kadee bracket is similar to the Burnett Brake Pipe Anchorage and Angle Cock Holder. It's a little short, but then again, Kadee's coupler boxes are a little wide. These date from the WWI ear; the prototype illustration is from the 1922 CBC.

I've uploaded a comparison here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Angle%20Cock%20Bracket%2C%20Kadee/

Dennis Storzek


Re: LV flat car with a trailer

RICH CHAPIN
 

The LV had three series of “homemade” piggy-back flats.

 

Series 10000 to 10049 cast steel flat cars. 37 Converted for piggy-back service [Class FC], then returned to ordinary flat car.

 

Series 11000 to 11174 converted from series 41000 quad hoppers at Packerton Shops 1956-1960. Original hoppers built Beth Steel 1929. Class FC

          11000 to 11059 equipped with jacks & chains                         11060 to 11174 equipped with A.C.F. Trailer Hitch

 

Series 11300 to 11324 converted from series 31425-31451 gondolas at Packerton & Sayre Shops 1958-1959. Original gondolas built Beth Steel 1935

          All equipped with A.C.F. Trailer Hitch, Class FC

 

Rich Chapin

AHRS # 2366

 


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Rick Jesionowski
 

If you are looking for the Paint Code decals a number of Mark Vaughn's P&E sets have them on the sets.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Ray Breyer
 

Does anyone make the 1930's through 1950's era decals for NYC boxcars?  The best I
could find is the Westerfield sets,but they are  not very crisp.  Is there someone
else that makes these?  It must be me not knowing where to look as the PRR guys have
great decals, 
Thanks in advance,
Fenton Wells


Well, if you're interested in EARLY 1930s NYC boxcars, I have two different sets for sale, covering several groups of 1910-1914 built 38-foot NYCL boxcars (basically, replacements for the F&C kit decals, plus a few others). If you're interested, contact me off list.

Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Some years ago, Tim O'Connor pointed out that the Kadee brake hose mount was indeed unique, and used only on log or log bunk cars, the car kits for which Kadee originally designed them for.  

I agree that it can be daunting at times to drill the PSC brass hose brackets, but they can be done reliably and relatively easily by setting them up in a vise for mass drilling,  then using a carbide #76 bit to start, and a regular #74 or #75 to finish (the size best able to accommodate the HiTech hoses). A great number can be done quickly at one time without much fuss. When these fine brackets were first produced by PSC (from Dennis Storzek' pattern), it was found that the hole was simply too small to be reliably cored through in this small casting.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach
Sacramento, CA


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ben, Good catch.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"Yes, Bill it is for repaint..."

Careful, Fenton - new cars from the builder also had the paint triangle.  See the reference that I cited earlier tonight.

Ben Hom




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"Yes, Bill it is for repaint..."

Careful, Fenton - new cars from the builder also had the paint triangle.  See the reference that I cited earlier tonight.


Ben Hom


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes, Bill it is for repaint and none of the sets I've seen include it.  It surprises me that a railroad as large as the NYC is so short on decals.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:31 PM, <fgexbill@...> wrote:
 

The one missing and IMO much needed decal missing from most if not all NYC decal sets is the little triangle, for what I don't remember--repaint maybe.

Bill Welch




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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