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Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <danspachmd@...> wrote :

Some years ago, Tim O'Connor pointed out that the Kadee brake hose mount was indeed unique, and used only on log or log bunk cars, the car kits for which Kadee originally designed them for.  

Hi Doc,

That is undoubtedly true, but the Kadee bracket is similar to the Burnett Brake Pipe Anchorage and Angle Cock Holder. It's a little short, but then again, Kadee's coupler boxes are a little wide. These date from the WWI ear; the prototype illustration is from the 1922 CBC.

I've uploaded a comparison here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Angle%20Cock%20Bracket%2C%20Kadee/

Dennis Storzek


Re: LV flat car with a trailer

RICH CHAPIN
 

The LV had three series of “homemade” piggy-back flats.

 

Series 10000 to 10049 cast steel flat cars. 37 Converted for piggy-back service [Class FC], then returned to ordinary flat car.

 

Series 11000 to 11174 converted from series 41000 quad hoppers at Packerton Shops 1956-1960. Original hoppers built Beth Steel 1929. Class FC

          11000 to 11059 equipped with jacks & chains                         11060 to 11174 equipped with A.C.F. Trailer Hitch

 

Series 11300 to 11324 converted from series 31425-31451 gondolas at Packerton & Sayre Shops 1958-1959. Original gondolas built Beth Steel 1935

          All equipped with A.C.F. Trailer Hitch, Class FC

 

Rich Chapin

AHRS # 2366

 


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Rick Jesionowski
 

If you are looking for the Paint Code decals a number of Mark Vaughn's P&E sets have them on the sets.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Ray Breyer
 

Does anyone make the 1930's through 1950's era decals for NYC boxcars?  The best I
could find is the Westerfield sets,but they are  not very crisp.  Is there someone
else that makes these?  It must be me not knowing where to look as the PRR guys have
great decals, 
Thanks in advance,
Fenton Wells


Well, if you're interested in EARLY 1930s NYC boxcars, I have two different sets for sale, covering several groups of 1910-1914 built 38-foot NYCL boxcars (basically, replacements for the F&C kit decals, plus a few others). If you're interested, contact me off list.

Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Some years ago, Tim O'Connor pointed out that the Kadee brake hose mount was indeed unique, and used only on log or log bunk cars, the car kits for which Kadee originally designed them for.  

I agree that it can be daunting at times to drill the PSC brass hose brackets, but they can be done reliably and relatively easily by setting them up in a vise for mass drilling,  then using a carbide #76 bit to start, and a regular #74 or #75 to finish (the size best able to accommodate the HiTech hoses). A great number can be done quickly at one time without much fuss. When these fine brackets were first produced by PSC (from Dennis Storzek' pattern), it was found that the hole was simply too small to be reliably cored through in this small casting.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach
Sacramento, CA


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ben, Good catch.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"Yes, Bill it is for repaint..."

Careful, Fenton - new cars from the builder also had the paint triangle.  See the reference that I cited earlier tonight.

Ben Hom




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Fenton Wells
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Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"Yes, Bill it is for repaint..."

Careful, Fenton - new cars from the builder also had the paint triangle.  See the reference that I cited earlier tonight.


Ben Hom


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes, Bill it is for repaint and none of the sets I've seen include it.  It surprises me that a railroad as large as the NYC is so short on decals.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:31 PM, <fgexbill@...> wrote:
 

The one missing and IMO much needed decal missing from most if not all NYC decal sets is the little triangle, for what I don't remember--repaint maybe.

Bill Welch




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Fenton Wells
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Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Brian, I'll start looking for it.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Brian carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:
 

Speedwitch has a set. Not sure if currently available. It's very comprehensive. 
Brian Carlson. 


On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:13 PM, <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone make the 1930's through 1950's era decals for NYC boxcars?  The best I could find is the Westerfield sets,but they are  not very crisp.  Is there someone else that makes these?  It must be me not knowing where to look as the PRR guys have great decals, 

Thanks in advance,
Fenton Wells




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"The one missing and IMO much needed decal missing from most if not all NYC decal sets is the little triangle, for what I don't remember--repaint maybe."

It's a paint code triangle, indicating type of primer, paint, date, and shop.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm
Scroll 2/3 of the way down the page for more information.


Ben Hom


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Brad Andonian
 

Jerry Glow has a few, Rick Leach out here in WA does O scale; Protocraft has them and may be willing to rescale to HO.

Brad Andonian

On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:31 PM, "fgexbill@..." wrote:
 
The one missing and IMO much needed decal missing from most if not all NYC decal sets is the little triangle, for what I don't remember--repaint maybe.
Bill Welch




Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Jack Burgess
 

Good information Dennis...thanks.

 

Jack Burgess

 



The Kadee brackets follow a USRA WWI era prototype, where the brake pipe was bracketed off the end of the center sill. The PSC bracket follows the later WWII era practice of bracketing the brake pipe off the end sill with a formed sheet steel bracket and U bolt. Both have their place.

Dennis


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Bill Welch
 

The one missing and IMO much needed decal missing from most if not all NYC decal sets is the little triangle, for what I don't remember--repaint maybe.
Bill Welch


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

Layout Tour
 

According to the LV shop cards, the 11000-11174 series Piggy-Back cars were built in the LV's Packerton Shops between 1956 and 1960 from the 41000 series quad coal cars which were built in 1929.  Cars 11060-11174 were fitted with an ACF Hitch.


Chuck Davis

Norfolk VA


Re: New York Central Boxcar decals

Brian Carlson
 

Speedwitch has a set. Not sure if currently available. It's very comprehensive. 
Brian Carlson. 


On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:13 PM, <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone make the 1930's through 1950's era decals for NYC boxcars?  The best I could find is the Westerfield sets,but they are  not very crisp.  Is there someone else that makes these?  It must be me not knowing where to look as the PRR guys have great decals, 

Thanks in advance,
Fenton Wells


New York Central Boxcar decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Does anyone make the 1930's through 1950's era decals for NYC boxcars?  The best I could find is the Westerfield sets,but they are  not very crisp.  Is there someone else that makes these?  It must be me not knowing where to look as the PRR guys have great decals, 
Thanks in advance,
Fenton Wells


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <maskisland@...> wrote :

Kadee makes a bracket and hose mount.    Hubert Mask. 

The Kadee brackets follow a USRA WWI era prototype, where the brake pipe was bracketed off the end of the center sill. The PSC bracket follows the later WWII era practice of bracketing the brake pipe off the end sill with a formed sheet steel bracket and U bolt. Both have their place.

Dennis


Red Caboose PFE 30-9-12 kit to kitbash as an MDT Type 4 Reefer?

Bill Welch
 

I am curious if anyone has used the Red Caboose PFE 30-9-12 kit to kitbash as an MDT Type 4 Reefer? I know a fishbelly u/f is necessary but I am wondering if anyone in the group has used the RC kit as a point of departure.

Bill Welch


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

Brian Carlson
 

I sent a follow up but haven't seen it. The cars were converted from LV quad hoppers in 1959-1960ish new entry in 1959 ORER.
Brian Carlson


Re: Interesting Phoebe Piggyback on a LV half gon

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

The note about "Scranton 1948-10-15" refers to the next image down the list not the one in the provided link. Can you read the re-weigh date?

There is no listing for these cars in the October 1955 ORER so the "FC" flats appeared after that date.

Bob Witt

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