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8-Rung Ladders

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I have a question for you from the "I Started a Project Before I Did My Research" file.
 
I'm building up two CB&Q cars using the IM 1937 Modified Box Car model.  As I was building the cars I noticed that the prototypes have eight-rung ladders, not seven-rung ladders as included with the kit.  Thankfully I noticed this BEFORE the models were painted and decaled.
 
I looked on the Intermountain website for eight-rung ladders but the part listings are ambiguous.  DW eight-rung ladders won't work--they're about two scale feet too long.  Can anyone please recommend a suitable eight-rung ladder that will work, to include a part number if you have it handy?
 
Thanks,
John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: CRWX fleet

Douglas Harding
 

One reference under the Shorpy photo of the Capitol Refining Company http://www.shorpy.com/node/4310  includes this:

Washington Post, Jun 2, 1913

Refiners Buy Oil Plant

The Capitol Refining Company, which was recently granted a charter by the Virginia corporation commission, has purchased the plant of the Columbia Cotton Oil and Provisions Corporation, at Relee, near Arlington Junction, Alexandria county. The Capitol Refining Company is a subsidiary of the Jacob Dold Packing Company, an independent concern, whose main establishment is in Buffalo, N.Y., and its announced that about September 1, after extensive repairs to the plant, operations will be resumed.

If owned by a meat packer, the plant and tank cars may have been used for processing and transporting animal fats and oils, ie lard, grease, etc. There was a major side line industry making use of animal by-products, especially the grease, fats and oils. Other meat packers owned tank cars during the period of 1900-1930, with some of them selling off their tank cars and going to leased cars in the 1930’s.

 

100 cars may seem like a large fleet for a meat packer. But consider that In 1930 the Jacob E Decker & Sons Company had 70 tank cars, 8,000 gal. Though they were down to 20 tank cars in 1931, then back up to 30 tank cars through 1935.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: CRWX fleet

Aley, Jeff A
 

Found it!  Thanks for the help.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ian Cranstone
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRWX fleet

 

 

On 2014-04-11, at 11:29 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:



 

 I was unable to find the document when I searched for it.  Could you provide a link?  Ian posted a relevant page; I’m interested in the whole document.

 

Jeff, go to books.google.com, and search for "Tank Car Capacities". It's the first item that turns up and begins with "United States and Canadian Railroads ...: Showing …"

 

Hopefully you're on the U.S. side of the line, or Google won't let you see more than snippet views.

 

 

 


Re: CRWX fleet

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2014-04-11, at 11:29 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

 
 I was unable to find the document when I searched for it.  Could you provide a link?  Ian posted a relevant page; I’m interested in the whole document.

 

Jeff, go to books.google.com, and search for "Tank Car Capacities". It's the first item that turns up and begins with "United States and Canadian Railroads ...: Showing …"

Hopefully you're on the U.S. side of the line, or Google won't let you see more than snippet views.



Re: CRWX fleet

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Cyril,

 

               I was unable to find the document when I searched for it.  Could you provide a link?  Ian posted a relevant page; I’m interested in the whole document.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRWX fleet

 

 

You can do a google search on 1919 ICC circular 6 O (not zero) and then download the pdf.  It lists the tank cars in service as of 1919 by number and gallons.  It normally lists the commodities hauled in the tank cars, but for Capitol it does not list them.  Listed are the following sets of cars.  The capacity of the cars is gauged (measured) and they vary by a few gallons.

 

201-225 all numbers   804x gallons

251-270 all numbers   805x gallons

271-295 all numbers   816x gallons

 

where x is some integer between 0 and 9

 

Cyril Durrenberger

From: James McDonald <james@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] CRWX fleet

 

Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of
Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the
earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913,
which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company
began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton
Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: Vendome Tank Car Company

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill,

 

               There is a photo of VENX 173 in Pocatello on July 13, 1957.  The photo was published in Ted Cullotta’s “Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Volume 2: Tank Cars”, p. 40.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Vendome Tank Car Company

 

 

I am trying to make a decision about how to decal one of my Southern Car & Foundry's Standard Steel Car model. One option is a car for the Vendome Tank Car Company based in Oklahoma. I assume  this company served that states oil companies, something I know very little about. Can someone offer some wisdom in terms of where these cars cars would have been making deliveries? Thank you.

Bill Welch

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104

Clearwater, FL 33764-7622

727.470.9930

 


Re: CRWX fleet

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2014-04-11, at 7:51 AM, James McDonald wrote:

 

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?


James, I've attached a page from the August 1919 issue of Tank Car Capacities (digitized by our friends at Google), which shows the entire CRWX fleet as of that date. Based upon capacities, it looks as if their fleet consisted of groups 201-225, 251-270 & 270-295


Re: CRWX fleet

Cyril Durrenberger
 

You can do a google search on 1919 ICC circular 6 O (not zero) and then download the pdf.  It lists the tank cars in service as of 1919 by number and gallons.  It normally lists the commodities hauled in the tank cars, but for Capitol it does not list them.  Listed are the following sets of cars.  The capacity of the cars is gauged (measured) and they vary by a few gallons.

201-225 all numbers   804x gallons
251-270 all numbers   805x gallons
271-295 all numbers   816x gallons

where x is some integer between 0 and 9

Cyril Durrenberger

From: James McDonald
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] CRWX fleet
 
Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of
Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the
earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913,
which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company
began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton
Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: CRWX fleet

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

James,
 
Can you provide a little more in formation. Do all CRWX cars predate 1914 or were some acquired after that? Do you have any built dates off of specific cars? The answers may help me focus my search a bit more. I hope to be able to provide you with some order dates and sizes.
 
Eric N.
 
 

Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of
Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the
earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913,
which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company
began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton
Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to
300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that
range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range
appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The
highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224.
The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would
be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering
between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Speedwitch speculation

Ted Culotta
 

A few kind souls alerted me to the fireworks occurring regarding Speedwitch so I felt it prudent to enter the discussion.

 

First, there are no excuses here. I own whatever situation I create. As some of you may be aware, I am winding down my current employment. While that was supposed to be a gradual tapering of duties, things have been unexpectedly intense of late. That has meant that my best laid plans of starting a gradual transition back to Speedwitch have not been as fluid as anticipated. I reopened the store assuming that I would have more time to handle things. That is not how things have gone.

 

As things have ebbed somewhat this week, I have been able to get a large number of items shipped (as some of you have no doubt seen.) The GN stock cars have been a major casualty as I completely rewrote the instructions from scratch recently after being wholly unsatisfied with what I had written previously (I do want you to build them after all and the order of construction I had presented did not work well.)

 

My current work duties are to be completed next Tuesday and I can begin to focus on Speedwitch entirely. I am certain that the level of attentiveness and responsiveness will improve several orders of magnitude.
 
I also wish to publicly apologize, without calling anyone out in particular, for any actual and perceived sleights of customer service. That is not acceptable nor is it my intention to create a bad experience.
 
Also, I can be reached directly at speedwitchmedia at gmail dot com and I try to reply to everything although I have been known to miss an email here and there, but the response rate will improve to near 100% as well beginning next week.

 

Thanks.

 

Cheers,

Ted Culotta


CRWX fleet

James McDonald
 

Hello list,

I am trying to survey the cars that the Capitol Refining Company of Washington DC had in service under the CRWX reporting marks in the earlier parts of the 20th century. They appear in the ORER after 1913, which corresponds nicely to the year that the Capitol Refining Company began their operations in the DC area by taking over the Columbia Cotton Oil and Provisions Corporation.

The number range of the CRWX cars listed in successive ORERs was 201 to 300. From photos I have found it appears that the lower end of that range were AC&F Milton tank cars of 8K gallon capacity. The upper range appears to have been occupied by 8K gallon GATC-built tank cars. The highest number I've been able to document of an AC&F-built car was 224. The lowest number I've been able to find of a GATC-built car is 273.

Does anyone have additional information about the CRWX fleet they would be willing to share, including where the division in the numbering between AC&F- and GATC-built cars occurred?

Thanks and all the best,

James

=-=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: Speedwitch

paul.doggett2472@...
 

I am awaiting a book ordered and paid for in late February i have received other items from the states but no book yet

Paul Doggett UK


Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

The Kadee angle cock and hose part, and the angle cock bracket below it in the picture, are certainly nicely done. But what is the piece above the hose, and where does it go?

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of destorzek@...
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Brake Hose mounting Brackets

 






---In STMFC@..., <danspachmd@...> wrote :

Some years ago, Tim O'Connor pointed out that the Kadee brake hose mount was indeed unique, and used only on log or log bunk cars, the car kits for which Kadee originally designed them for.  

 

Hi Doc,

That is undoubtedly true, but the Kadee bracket is similar to the Burnett Brake Pipe Anchorage and Angle Cock Holder. It's a little short, but then again, Kadee's coupler boxes are a little wide. These date from the WWI ear; the prototype illustration is from the 1922 CBC.

I've uploaded a comparison here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Angle%20Cock%20Bracket%2C%20Kadee/

Dennis Storzek





Vendor issues and action

twinstarcars
 

I find it amazing that a vendor gets thrashed on here and my order is on its way. I am equally upset with another decal vendor who can't seem to fill orders so I can't wait for that thread to start!
There is no  " like" button so this is mine.
Thanks,
Ross


Re: Speedwitch

Dave Nelson
 

A book, ordered & paid for > 6 weeks ago.

 

I’m not bothered about the delay but the lack of courtesy in letting me know there would be one has been noted.

 

Dave Nelson


Re: heaviest 33" HO wheel sets

John Sykes III
 

Garth:


I don't think so.  They have the wheelsets that come on the trainline cars, which can be identified by really fat plastic axles and the P2K wheelsets, which come on most of their better cars.  However, I do not have the 2014 Walthers Catalog memorized.  I am sitting in a Hospital room right now, so my catalog is not too available to me at the moment.


-- John


Re: Speedwitch

Greg Bartek
 

I purchased SP & NH decals two weeks ago, I am awaiting delivery.

Greg Bartek


Re: Speedwitch

Bob Weston
 

No news but the Indigogo whatever reply to me was it would all happen on 15 May 2014.
                                                                                                                      Bob Weston


Re: Speedwitch

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

Anyone have any news for us "investors".

      Although the web page doesn't seem to be updated very often, it does show most of the decals as already reprinted and available for sale. For anyone who doesn't know, these are truly outstanding decal sets. I would encourage people to browse and see what is there. Here's a link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Speedwitch

gary laakso
 

I have paid for orders for SAL decals and resin Great Northern truss rod stock car kits and waiting for delivery.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch
 
 

Anyone have any news for us "investors".

 

Ed Mines




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