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Re: Improving the Athearn Blue Box 50 foot box car

Robert J Miller CFA
 

1. I have 2 of these cars left over from painting & lettering a couple of dozen of them about 10 years ago as a fund raiser for a non-profit group restoring a train station. I discovered them in my 'stash' of freight car kits and thought of using them for practice. Does anyone know of suitable height doors for them without cobbling them out of additional Athearn doors. I did a couple of their 40' cars from the same 'stash' a couple of months ago with some doors from another brand (Intermountain?).
 
 
2. Signature; it seems whenever I use the STFMC link in Yahoo Groups to post the signature I have set up for my e-mails does not get applied. +

From: "tgregmrtn@..."
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Improving the Athearn Blue Box 50 foot box car

 
Cajonpass02 (please sign your post guys), Ben and Tony,
 
I think the alternatives that Ben offers are sound advice and he recognizes the options, but what we maybe missing with option three is the fact that this modeler clearly is looking for an option to what "he owns" as opposed to what he can buy new not that he will not in the future. This is why we, Jim Fuhrman and I, wrote the few articles we did under the by-line "Crown Jewel from the Junk box" . We kicked around a byline of "Old Dawgs and New Tricks" but found it a bit general... Jim did more articles before and after this one as well.
 
The market in freight car models was changing and there were more highly detailed alternatives hitting the market and there was suddenly all these ancient tooling's in the form of freight equipment on layouts, and in our case modules, that needed to be dealt with. It becomes the law of diminishing returns, how much time does one spend to upgrade what you own as opposed to what he can buy as replacement, and he (Cajonpass02) is looking for advice and Ben was quick to respond and as usual Ben to the rescue with informative alternatives, Bravo Ben.
 
I think that most of you know me as the SHAKE_N_TAKE nut so it is fitting to me to reply. It follows the SHAKE_N_TAKE concept. There is a resolve for folks like Cajonpass02 so he or anyone wants to email me offline I have some ideas for these kinds of kits. With the forthcoming resin ends and sills for the Santa Fe BX-32/33/36 (with the encouragement from Richard Hendrickson and others) as well as the FE-25 and BX-40 ends, sills and center sill/underframe may put these older cars back on the layout albeit in a new form. The target for the BX-32/33/36 sets is July and then the FE-35/BX-40 cars are both candidates for Cocoa Beach this coming January, but only THANKSGIVING weekend 2014 will tell for sure... #^)  regardless the parts will be available.  We still need a SHAKE_N_TAKE flat car in our stable. And at some point we/SHAKE_N_TAKE will be doing the WKW/TMI PRR X29 as Ben has purposed as an online project, but for the minute we are focused on USRA DS 40-ton boxcar rebuilds.  I can't express how humbled I am with the folks building these kits and how grateful I am to the contributors and to Aaron Gjermundson for his resin mastery. There are lots of folks involved with getting us to get off our butts and model and they are to be applauded.  
 
With the Athearn car some will say it is like, "putting lipstick on a pig", but it also has the undeniable goal of getting folks to model and not complain about how "my ready to run XXX car is not correct" (at forty dollars plus a pop). This has been and will continue to be my goal and that of SHAKE_N_TAKE. 
 
Thanks,
 
Greg Martin    
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 4/18/2014 5:45:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, b.hom@... writes:
The article is "5 Boxcar Improvements" by Dennis Storzek, Railroad Model Craftsman, April 1982. You pretty much have three options:

1. The doors for the Athearn 50 ft cars are far less offensive than that for the 40 ft boxcar, and trimming away the "claws" from the door rollers significantly improves their appearance.  They're still too short and you're still stuck with the overscale door tracks, but if you're after a quick improvement that doesn't involve a lot of work, it does make the model look a lot better.

2. Replace the door tracks in accordance with the Storzek article or Jim Fuhrman/Greg Martin's methods detailed in "Crown Jewel from the Junkbox - Upgrade an Athearn Boxcar" in the April 1994 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.  It's up to you whether or not you want to obtain extra Athearn doors to splice together to get correct height doors.

3. Skip working on the Athearn cars and obtain the Proto 2000 kits for the same prototypes.  The kits are abundant on the secondary market, and can often be had for less than $10.

Ben Hom



Re: Larry Kline

Charles Peck
 

In response to Gene Greens suggestion about recognizing the great people among us, it sounds like a good idea.
Then he adds the caveat "except a few curmudgeons".  
So I suggest that rather than making the few curmudgeons among us wait to see if they get "unrecognized" from
this group of notable people, we allow the curmudgeons to self-identify themselves.  If nothing else, it will save much
band-width. (Whatever that is.) 
To help these curmudgeons know if they quality as curmudgeons, I offer a few tests.
If you have ever said; "John Allen did it better with a paper clip and a paintbrush.", you might be a curmudgeon.
If you still miss Marn-o-stats, you might be a curmudgeon. 
If you go to train shows looking for brass rail, you might be a curmudgeon. 
If you get complimented on a weathering job and the last time you looked it was still shiny, you might be a curmudgeon.
If you have wondered if that jar of 410M is still good, you might be a curmudgeon. 
If you have ever used kitty litter as ballast, you might be a curmudgeon. 

Others can think of more tests I am sure.
Chuck Peck
(Perhaps a curmudgeon myself.)


Re: Larry Kline

genegreen1942@...
 

Should we say nice things about deserving people before they are gone so that they, too, may know how well regarded they are?  This group is made up of really nice folks (except for a couple of old curmudgeons).
Gene Green


Kit List Apology

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Sorry, but the last post was intended to go to a single person. I also must apologize for all the band width spend on folks who responded through the list. It was my intention to keep all this on personal email, per the group rules.

Yours Aye,


Garth


Re: Sale List

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Andy,

Here's what's left after the feeding frenzy:

Sunshine ($45 each)

42.2 B&O M-53 wagon-top boxcar, 13 states decals
30.2 ATSF Ft-I or J 40' flat
41.1 Milw. 1939-40 horizontal rib boxcar, Hiawatha decals
21.9 NKP ARA 1932 boxcar
17.5 SP B-50-14 single-sheathed boxcar w/Hutchins roof and Dreadnaught ends
46.5 PFE R-40-10 reefer, 1950s double heralds
25.58 PFE R-30/40-21 steel end rebuilt reefer

Westerfield $25 each

1201 PRR G22 goldola rblt. G22A/G22B
4553 PRR GRA gon, MW decals
5401 SP S-40-8/9/10 stock car, orig. (have 2)
5403 WP S-40-8 stock car, orig.
2906 P&E USRA steel box
2902 B&A USRA steel box
3001 MC USRA steel auto car
2850 GN 50' single-sheathed box car, undec.
3651 ATSF BX-3 box, modernized

Terms: All untouched, in original boxes. 1st come, first served. Email selections, as there were a lot of requests. Postage and insurance on me. Personal check is fine. My address is Garth G. Groff, Mallard Lodge, 1713 Essex Road, Charlottesville, VA 22901.

Yours Aye,


Garth G. Groff


On 4/20/14 1:27 PM, lajrmdlr@... wrote:
 

Hi Garth
Yahoo in its very "finite wisdom" cuts off your email addy after the "@" symbol so it's not "clickable" to request your list.  Maybe you could do your addy again using "AT" instead of the symbol. It won't be clickable but at least we'll know what the rest of your addy is. ;)
Andy Jackson
Bellflower CA



Re: Roof lettering for SFRD RR-44

Richard Hendrickson
 

The reporting marks and numbers were on tie diagonally opposite hatch cover at the other end of the car - thatd is, hatch cover on the right when viewed from the end of the car.


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This was a 50 car, but practice was the same on 40 cars - placing the reporting marks and numbers in a raised panel as close as possible to the center of the roof.

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Re: Roof lettering for SFRD RR-44

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:06 AM, bflynn562@... wrote:

I am completing the lettering for a Sunshine SFRD-44 reefer and have a question about the reporting marks and car number that was applied to the roof.  I can see from the model photo included in the kit where this was placed on one side of the car.  My question is was this placed on both sides of the car roof, or only on one side?
Brian, it depends on whether you’re modeling the car with as-delivered paint and lettering or as repainted later.  Santa Fe practice at the time the Rr-44s were built was to put the reporting marks and numbers on diagonally opposite ice hatch covers so they were readable from the end of the car when the hatch covers were in the open (vertical) position.  I’ll send you off-line a photo of an Rr-43 that illustrates this.  In the ‘50s, with the advent of mechanical icing machines, the Santa Fe began reversing hatch covers so that the hinges were toward the center of the car and the hatch covers would fold flat on the roof rather than being supported in a near-vertical position facing the ends (though many SFRD cars retained their original “reverse” hatch covers for years after that change began to take place).  With the hatch covers folded flat, of course, reporting marks and numbers on the outside of the covers were no longer visible, so lettering practice changed to stenciling reporting marks and numbers in the center of the roof on the left side of the running board as viewed from the B end.   I’ll send off-list a scan of that arrangement as well.  


Richard Hendrickson



Re: Sale List

 

Hi Garth
Yahoo in its very "finite wisdom" cuts off your email addy after the "@" symbol so it's not "clickable" to request your list.  Maybe you could do your addy again using "AT" instead of the symbol. It won't be clickable but at least we'll know what the rest of your addy is. ;)
Andy Jackson
Bellflower CA


OK, one more whack on the ole Rapido Reefer.

davesnyder59
 

Well listers, I found one of the 1rst batch of reefers in my LHS last week, a nice surprise. After having read all the hoopla when they first arrived, I did think twice before buying. My Dubuque #63029 model demonstrated a lot of the complaints that were voiced earlier. But after reading and re-reading all the conversations by the group, I started to correct them. I quickly noticed that the air reservoir was not glued, but friction fit. The wavy door latch bar was friction fit as well. My wavy ladders were also. The brake mount as well. This model is damn near a kit, but that made it easier to rectify most of the shortcomings. I can see how any handling by the individuals overseas would cause part distortions. Tony Thompson did correctly identify the air reservoir brace problem (thanks Tony), but my reservoir lines were installed over the brake rigging line as well depressing it. Not a problem to address as the whole part easily pops out. Once everything was straightened and ACC'd in correctly, she looks pretty good. Kinda glad they ran outa glue on the production line though.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.


Re: Larry Kline

CJ Riley
 

Larry was the leader of those extracurricular excursions we (almost) all enjoyed. A night with Bill schaumburg being n exception. Thanks for your memories of Larry. Tony and I are having a hard time dealing with his loss.
 
CJ Riley
Pot Ludlow WA


From: "englij@..."
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Larry Kline

 
Having occasionally been Larry's roommate at the Naperville RPM meet, I take this a little personally.  I'm sorry I didn't get to see his layout after he moved a decade or so ago; the earlier layout was certainly worth seeing, and the plans for the newer one seemed to be a big improvement.  Lots of other good memories going back to the 80s, including some "extracurricular" night-time outings with Larry and Tony Thompson, among others.
 
Yes, STMFC hasn't heard from me in along time, but I felt this was worthy of making my contribution.  While I won't be changing my "deep lurker" status here, you can still contact me directly with any questions about NYC, Rutland, or S-scale.
 
Jeff English
Troy, New York



Re: Larry Kline

CJ Riley
 

 
In the 40 years I knew Larry, I never saw him get angry. The term gentleman and scholar is most apt.

CJ Riley
Port Ludlow WA


From: "tgregmrtn@..."
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Larry Kline

 
Does anyone here ever remember Larry without a smile on his face? Not I.
 
Farewell Larry.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
 



Re: One more whack on the dead horse!

hayden_tom@...
 

Indeed, CRC 2-26 is NOT a conductor, See these specifications:
Note in particular it has a "Dielectric Strength"
  • Provides precision lubrication by its thin, high dielectric strength, lubricating film
Dielectrics are insulators.

Apparently what it does is removes and prevents corrosion which is a non or poor conductor. And apparently when a wheel touches a rail the film itself must get displaced by the wheel and allows then good contact between un-corroded metals,.

Neat stuff.

Tom Hayden


Re: Roof lettering for SFRD RR-44

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Keith Jordan, one of the authors of the Santa Fe reefer book, responded to an e-mail on this subject:

 

Bob,

 

The cars would originally have the reporting marks on the diagonally opposite hatch covers, then sometime in the mid-fifties they started putting the reporting marks in the middle of the roof as well. It does depend on class somewhat, as the roof-top reporting marks were first put on those cars where the hatch covers would lie flat and you couldn't see numbers on them.

 

The GATC-built cars of the mid-to-late thirties had reporting marks on all four hatch covers, not a standard practice. For Brian's RR-44, I'd put them on the opposite hatch covers.

 

Keith


Re: Roof lettering for SFRD RR-44

thecitrusbelt@...
 

What makes the SFRD Rr-44 reefer a bit unusual is that it was not built new or rebuilt by the Santa Fe but was one of a group of 350 reefers built by Pullman Standard in 1946 and 1947 for the railroad. 

 

Generally speaking, depending on the reefer class and time period, Santa Fe placed reporting marks on one hatch cover at each end, or on all four hatches or once in the middle of the roof.

 

There are a few black-and-white photos of Rr-44s in the Santa Fe Refrigerator Cars Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979 book. Unfortunately, none of these photos show the roof.

 

MAINLINE MODELER, January 1996, has an article on building an Rr-44 reefer by Edwin L. Martin on Page 23.  Ed says he worked from photos and his model has the reporting marks appearing once in the middle of the roof.  Whether his source photos included a roof photo is unknown to me.

 

And I have a photo of a Sunshine Rr-44 model built by an unknown modeler that shows the reporting marks appearing once in the middle of the roof.   

 

I don’t have these sources available to review but perhaps there is a roof view photo in one of the following:

 

A black-and-white builder’s photo appears in the Fourth Quarter 1988 issue of the Santa Fe Modeler and two more appear in the Second Quarter 2010 issue of the Warbonnet. 

 

There is a color photograph of an Rr-44 on Page 30 in Tumbleweeds & Fast Freights.

 

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/citrusmodeling/

 

 


Re: D&H Fishbelly hoppers 4701-6100

naptownprr
 

Thanks, John. I'll contact them.


Quoting John Evans <jtevans53@verizon.net>:

Jim,
Highball Graphics makes decals for LNE hoppers.

John Evans

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2014, at 11:49 PM, "Hunter, James R." <jhunter@iupui.edu> wrote:

Brian,

There are some photos of D&H fishbelly hoppers, including #5737, in an
article by John Nehrich in Railmodel Journal, Feb., 1992 (if you can
locate an old copy). The caption under #5737 can be misleading,
however. It says it is from the RPI collection circa 1992 -- but
that's not when the photo was taken. The car has a NEW date of 1-42.
Must have been a typo.

Do you know if anyone makes a decal set for LNE coal hoppers?

Jim Hunter

Quoting Brian Carlson <prrk41361@yahoo.com>:

I have an old Stewart model of a two bay fishbelly hopper, (probably
purchased in the mid 1990's) lettered as D&H 5774. I'd like to upgrade the
model to my current standards but am having trouble finding photos
of these
guys. Anyone have mid-50's photos of these cars?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY




Re: One more whack on the dead horse!

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

>CRC 2-26 is not a conductant<.  CRC-2-26 is commonly confused with the same company’s similar product that competes with WD-40.  They are not the same products.  If CRC-2-26 is not a conductant, then why does it conduct electric current, which it does, and does very well?

This is off topic (I do know!), so with forbearance, I am bowing out of this subject.

Denny

   
(conductor) but a non-conductor.
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento





Roof lettering for SFRD RR-44

bflynnd1
 


I am completing the lettering for a Sunshine SFRD-44 reefer and have a question about the reporting marks and car number that was applied to the roof.  I can see from the model photo included in the kit where this was placed on one side of the car.  My question is was this placed on both sides of the car roof, or only on one side?

Thanks in advance,

Brian Flynn



Re: D&H Fishbelly hoppers 4701-6100

Benjamin Hom
 

Armand Premo wrote:
"Ulrich produced this car in metal."

David Thompson wrote:
"It should be noted that the 'anthracite' fishbelly hoppers were somewhat smaller than the WM car that was the prototype for the Stewart model."

To clear up any confusion, D&H had both 29 ft IL and 30 ft 11 in IL cars.  From the July 1950 ORER:

29 ft IL/10 ft 3 in top chord above rails/1764 cu ft, 746 total cars:
D&H 2300 - 2397, 100000 lb capacity, 98 cars
D&H 2398 - 2499, 80000 lb capacity, 100 cars
D&H 2500 - 2899, 100000 lb capacity, 399 cars
D&H 4201 - 4350, 100000 lb capacity, 149 cars

30 ft 11 in IL/10 ft 5 in top chord above rails/1860 cu ft, 1397 total cars:
D&H 4701 - 6100, 100000 lb capacity, 1397 cars

The WM prototype of the Stewart model is 31 ft IL, 11 ft top chord above rails, 2028 cu ft.  I'm using the Ulrich model to do the 29 ft IL cars, and will cut down the Stewart model in height to do the 30 ft 11 in IL cars.


Ben Hom


Re: D&H Fishbelly hoppers 4701-6100

Armand Premo
 

FWIW,Ulrich produced this car in metal.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] D&H Fishbelly hoppers 4701-6100

 

Thanks Jim, I found this after I sent my email, I also found a photo on the fallen flags site of one in Iowa in 1968.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Hunter, James R.
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 11:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
< b>Subject: Re: [STMFC] D&H Fishbelly hoppers 4701-6100

 

Brian,

There are some photos of D&H fishbelly hoppers, including #5737, in an
article by John Nehrich in Railmodel Journal, Feb., 1992 (if you can
locate an old copy). The caption under #5737 can be misleading,
however. It says it is from the RPI collection circa 1992 -- but
that's not when the photo was taken. The car has a NEW date of 1-42.
Must have been a typo.

Do you know if anyone makes a decal set for LNE coal hoppers?

Jim Hunter

Quoting Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...>:

> I have an old Stewart model of a two bay fishbelly hopper, (probably
> purchased in the mid 1990's) lettered as D&H 5774. I'd like to upgrade the
> mode l to my current standards but am having trouble finding photos of these
> guys. Anyone have mid-50's photos of these cars?
>
>
>
> Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
>
> Cheektowaga, NY
>
>
>
>


Re: D&H Fishbelly hoppers 4701-6100

David
 

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/90/6435/february-1992-page-21

It should be noted that the "anthracite" fishbelly hoppers were somewhat smaller than the WM car that was the prototype for the Stewart model.

David Thompson

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