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Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Charles Peck
 

I don't think I ever saw a car that said "STEAL ME" in screaming big letters.
Chuck Peck


---In STMFC@..., <nscaleallan@...> wrote :

the question I have was there a freight car with either Jim Beam advertising on the car or the car was specific to Jim Beam  shipping
Al Whitecar 

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Re: Capacity of UTL 13182

Tony Thompson
 

David Allen wrote:

First, many thanks for the help. I have downloaded the USRA Circular 6-0 and the Tank Car Handout (as upgraded). And the reference to
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/10/naperville-tank-car-handout-part-2.html
is quite helpful.

And I, too, had calculated the gal capacity; initially based on 6'10 OD and 26.38' length. Then I noticed it should have been 6.1' (oops).  And then I wrote the letter with "almost 7'" - more oops. John mentioned that I did say "almost" - well, with a 14% error that hardly is "almost" - unless I was playing horseshoes or grenades.


     But David, now the dimensions are too small. If you mean decimal fractions, with 26.38 and 6.1 feet, the capacity would be 5920 gallons. But if you did mean 6 feet 10 inches, the capacity is 6722 gallons. And are you measuring length over the end heads, or over the cylindrical part only?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Charles Peck
 


I can assure you that if it says Kentucky Bourbon, there was no "out of state" involved.
From water to bottled product, Kentucky is particular about what you drink, unlike those
states that only make whiskey, not Bourbon. 
You can confirm at Jim Beam, American Stillhouse or at the Bourbon Trail websites,
if you are of drinking age.  
(Is there anyone here not long past that age?)
Chuck Peck, born and raised in Bourbon country. 

---In STMFC@..., <rod@...> wrote :
 
 
>
I recall a show on the Discovery channel about whiskys.
Discussing Jack Daniels, the show pointed out that the
distillery just distilled, and the resultant product
was transported elsewhere, possibly by a STMFC, and possibly
out of state for aging. Don't recall where the bottling
was done. Jim Beam may have done the same if the reason
was local laws.
--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Safcar running board and step (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hey all;

Does anyone know what a "Safcar" running board and step look like? PRR must've been testing another product, and the photo I have of it is lousy, and I was just hoping someone could describe its visual appearance to me.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Capacity of UTL 13182

David Allen
 

First, many thanks for the help. I have downloaded the USRA Circular 6-0 and the Tank Car Handout (as upgraded). And the reference to
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/10/naperville-tank-car-handout-part-2.html
is quite helpful.

And I, too, had calculated the gal capacity; initially based on 6'10 OD and 26.38' length. Then I noticed it should have been 6.1' (oops).  And then I wrote the letter with "almost 7'" - more oops. John mentioned that I did say "almost" - well, with a 14% error that hardly is "almost" - unless I was playing horseshoes or grenades.

This turned out to be a far greater learning experience for me than I anticipated - many thanks, all. I shall use 6,457gal. (or about 6,500gal.) for the capacity.

Be well.  Dave A.



Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

al whitecar
 

the question I have was there a freight car with either Jim Beam advertising on the car or the car was specific to Jim Beam  shipping
Al Whitecar

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:01 AM, "Rod Miller rod@... [STMFC]" wrote:
 
On 5/14/14, 6:12 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
> During the period you mention the only two counties in Tennessee where it was
> legal to distill spirits were Moore and Coffee. I grew up in Coffee where
> Dickle (sp? ) was revived in the late 50's early 60's. Tullahoma, the town I
> grew up in, was on the NC&StL. I am not sure if Moore County was served by
> rail. I have a very nice photo from the L&N Archives of one of the L&N's
> Pratt trussed SS box cars with the door open revealing a load of barrels,
> which I assume was destined for one of the many distilleries in Kentucky.
> Tennessee Central would not have served Tennessee distilleries.
>
> As an aside, my family's male & female Airdales lived in two used charcoal
> lined Jack Daniels barrels that my father purchased in Lynchburg as the
> barrels could only be used once.
>
>
> Bill Welch
>
I recall a show on the Discovery channel about whiskys.
Discussing Jack Daniels, the show pointed out that the
distillery just distilled, and the resultant product
was transported elsewhere, possibly by a STMFC, and possibly
out of state for aging. Don't recall where the bottling
was done. Jim Beam may have done the same if the reason
was local laws.
--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com



Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Rod Miller
 

On 5/14/14, 6:12 PM, fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com [STMFC] wrote:
During the period you mention the only two counties in Tennessee where it was
legal to distill spirits were Moore and Coffee. I grew up in Coffee where
Dickle (sp? ) was revived in the late 50's early 60's. Tullahoma, the town I
grew up in, was on the NC&StL. I am not sure if Moore County was served by
rail. I have a very nice photo from the L&N Archives of one of the L&N's
Pratt trussed SS box cars with the door open revealing a load of barrels,
which I assume was destined for one of the many distilleries in Kentucky.
Tennessee Central would not have served Tennessee distilleries.

As an aside, my family's male & female Airdales lived in two used charcoal
lined Jack Daniels barrels that my father purchased in Lynchburg as the
barrels could only be used once.


Bill Welch
I recall a show on the Discovery channel about whiskys.
Discussing Jack Daniels, the show pointed out that the
distillery just distilled, and the resultant product
was transported elsewhere, possibly by a STMFC, and possibly
out of state for aging. Don't recall where the bottling
was done. Jim Beam may have done the same if the reason
was local laws.
--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: Speaking of Departed companies : Train-Minature

riverman_vt@...
 

    Each of us has our own opinion of the old Train-Miniature line and that's just fine. I believe it was the winter of 1968-1969 when I rode over to Arnie Doucetts's East Boston Hobby Shop and some had arrived. Ads had been seen for a month of more but this was the first reall look at the cars. To me they were great because the offered a choice of somehting other than the standard Athearn Blue Box or the standard MDC car with their clunky cast underframes that I never particularly cared for. I purchased an outside braced Rock Island boxcar, a double sheathed boxcar and a wood sheathed reefer that evening and was very pleased with the addition to the variety of my car fleet that they provided. Unlike other folks I have hung onto mine and began acquiring them direct through Ted Hollow's Balboa Model Distributors. They sold well, too. But what I remember most from those years is what a really decent supplier Ted Hollow was for me to work with. He was always found to be very accommodating as I have noted before on this list. Ultimately Balboa Model Distributors was sold out to the Vier brothers  California Hobby Distributors which I guess has now been gone for some years as well.

All these folks may be gone but Ted Hollow will not be forgetten here because he will always be remembered as a wonderful fellow to conduct business with.

 

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Auto parts box car part loaded in car shot (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Folks;

I have been asked several times recently how the auto parts were actually loaded; i.e., how the "racks" worked. In this case, PRR X37 66230 with a Ford side/rear fender assembly in place. 1954 Ford?

This is the kind of panel Fisher Body plants all over the country were producing.

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/4650/rec/261\;

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Leased PRR X37B now DTI 64588 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Folks;

I can't remember who asked me the question, but here is the end shot of DTI 64588, a leased PRR X37B. Jan 1952. As you can see, it is a late X37B with Alan Wood r/b, and appears to have a URECO? Handbrake? There is no Kadee-quality HO scale model of this that I know of, but the old Detail Associates model might do in a pinch. The beautiful Sunshine model is no longer in production...

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15017coll8/id/1872/rec/2

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Jim Hayes
 

Bill, as an aside to your aside, I spent a Summer in St.Paul working for a vinegar company.  The task one day was to unload a boxcar full of used whiskey barrels. It was a very hot day and the fumes in that box car were something special to a 19 year old.


Jim 


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

During the period you mention the only two counties in Tennessee where it was legal to distill spirits were Moore and Coffee. I grew up in Coffee where Dickle (sp? ) was revived in the late 50's early 60's. Tullahoma, the town I grew up in, was on the NC&StL. I am not sure if Moore County was served by rail. I have a very nice photo from the L&N Archives of one of the L&N's Pratt trussed SS box cars with the door open revealing a load of barrels, which I assume was destined for one of the many distilleries in Kentucky. Tennessee Central would not have served Tennessee distilleries.


As an aside, my family's male & female Airdales lived in two used charcoal lined Jack Daniels barrels that my father purchased in Lynchburg as the barrels could only be used once.

Bill Welch



Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

John Barry
 

Chuck,

The March 45 OG shows  L&N as the only RR serving Clermont KY.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682



From: "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

 
The Beam distillery is located in Clermont KY. I can't seem to find my list of L&N stations but
I believe that L&N served Clermont and Bullitt County.
Chuck Peck



Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

water.kresse@...
 


Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Charles Peck
 

The Beam distillery is located in Clermont KY. I can't seem to find my list of L&N stations but
I believe that L&N served Clermont and Bullitt County.
Chuck Peck


Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Bill Welch
 

During the period you mention the only two counties in Tennessee where it was legal to distill spirits were Moore and Coffee. I grew up in Coffee where Dickle (sp? ) was revived in the late 50's early 60's. Tullahoma, the town I grew up in, was on the NC&StL. I am not sure if Moore County was served by rail. I have a very nice photo from the L&N Archives of one of the L&N's Pratt trussed SS box cars with the door open revealing a load of barrels, which I assume was destined for one of the many distilleries in Kentucky. Tennessee Central would not have served Tennessee distilleries.

As an aside, my family's male & female Airdales lived in two used charcoal lined Jack Daniels barrels that my father purchased in Lynchburg as the barrels could only be used once.

Bill Welch


Re: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Chlorine car

Paolo Roffo
 

Sorry to dredge up an old topic, but...

When did the PSMX tank cars go into service, and roughly how long did they last?

thanks
Paolo Roffo


Re: Capacity of UTL 13182

Tony Thompson
 

Alex Schneider wrote:

I come pretty close:
Take the inside diameter (7') divided by 2 (3.5') and square it (12.25 sq ft.). Multiply that result by pi = 3.14. (38.48 sq. ft). Multiply this by one foot (38.48 cu ft per foot of length) and multiply this by 7.48 gal/ cu ft to get 287.86 gallons per foot of length. For 27 feet, this equals 7772 gallons. However, if the inside diameter were only 6' 6" the capacity would drop to 6702 gallons.

       I got 7980 by a similar method, though mine accounts for the head shape and tank thickness. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Digest Number 8711

Jedalberg
 

In a message dated 5/14/2014 4:31:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
Lettered it for EIEX ("Entirely Imaginary Equipment Corporation") to keep the Prototype Police at bay. Numbered it 110412 for the date of my accident.

An imperfect car, but perfect for my needs at the time.

My two cents....

T. P. Devenny
East Norriton, PA

A number of years ago Tom did another EIEX car, which usually runs in (imaginary) express service from Pittston (where Tom usually works on my DL&W) to Hoboken. Pittston being in Pennsylvania mining country he usually handles several of the T-M  hoppers loaded with anthracite coal. A couple of these were offered by the ARHS many years ago, and I decaled a bunch more--they look good with the big "LACKAWANNA" on the sides. Even if they aren't exactly correct.
Back about '73, I acquired a bunch of the "X-29s" which I promptly painted black and decalled for the LNE, one of my favorite roads, and a few for my NJN, which is similar to the LNE scheme. Some of these are still in service, but I did a couple of things to improve their appearance---thinned down or replaced the roof walk and added ne A Line stirrups. They don't even look too bad next to the Red Caboose/Intermountain ones.
 
Jim  Dalberg
Paoli,Pa


Re: Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas

The Kentucky archives have an image of an L&N with a whiskey placard.    I have a custom decal of it from jerry Glow.
Brad Andonian
seattle

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:55 PM, "WaltGCox@... [STMFC]" wrote:
 
Does anyone have any idea if the Jim Beam distillery located in Tennessee or Kentucky shipped out its product by rail in 1959  and if so, which railroad would have been the initial carrier. I saw an ad for a  Tennessee Central box car recently and that got me wondering.
Walt



Jim Beam whiskey shipments

Walter Cox
 

Does anyone have any idea if the Jim Beam distillery located in Tennessee or Kentucky shipped out its product by rail in 1959  and if so, which railroad would have been the initial carrier. I saw an ad for a  Tennessee Central box car recently and that got me wondering.
Walt

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