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Re: thanks for posting

Charlie Duckworth
 

Logged into ebay expecting a notice or message on their site to change my password but there's nothing.  Pretty strange way of doing business.  Thanks for the information.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

davesnyder59
 

Not sure if everyone doesn't already know, but there is a relatively new Yahoo Group for Sergent couplers. I have been using them for probably ten years or so, but I have learned a new trick or two from the site and new things keep coming. Here is the link.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SergentEng/conversations/messages

 




Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.


Impending Cudahy meat reefers.

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi folks,
 
     Some have asked about colors and such of the special run of Cudahy meat reefers New England Rail is having done by Atlas so I'll respond to everyone here. The car sides are reefer yellow with a brown roof and ends. Lettering on the sides is black while that on the ends is white.  A pkhoto of teh prototype can be found in Doug Harding's photo section. When first introduced in 2003 Atlas offered the car in two different Cudahy billboard paint designs but have never gone any further with Cudahy paint. Thus this will be the first time the car has been offered in the standard Cudahy post WW II paint design, which was simply the colors stated and simple lettering in black on the car sides much like most other packers in the postwar years. The car, as least when first constructed in 1925, was built specifically for Cudahy and is a standout with its 36 ft. length and the odd use of only four door hinges per side rather than the usual six. In twenty years of researching meat reefers I have never found any other packer that used these cars. Thus I wonder if any of the other paint and lettering designs Atlas has used on this model are really accurate. I'd be interested in learning of other possible users of this same basic car with the four hinges per side. 
 
      In any case, thank you to those of you who have taken advantage of our pre-production pricing, The deposit has been sent to Atlas, a sample car is expected about 1 August and the completed cars are expected in November. For those who still wish to take advantage of our pre-production pricing the cost is $34 per car plus $5 shipping for one car of $8 for two for all orders postmarked not later than 31 May. Thereafter the cars will be $45 each. Two car numbers are being produced, with one car number ending with a "3" and the other a "6" so that they might be easily changed to an "8" or a "0" for those who want more than two car numbers.  
 
    Again, my thanks to those who have already ordered their Cudahy meat reefer(s).
 
Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

riverman_vt@...
 

Hi fellows,

 

     I'm glad to see these Sargent couplers come up since there was little response to a question raised about them some months ago. How expensive are they and how well do they operate? Clark, you mentioned work that sounded like pre-installation work. Could you please expand upon that a bit. Lastly are they really scale and do they offer any real advantage over the Kadee #58's?

 

Thanks very much for any information you'd care to share.  Don Valentine


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Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

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Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Clark, Clark, and Group,

I have been installing Sergent couplers on all of my equipment for several years and find that the operation is very prototypical. My layout — In the early stages of construction — is basically a switching layout with a single locomotive and a daily except Sunday mixed train that is a maximum of a dozen or so cars in length But more often half that number. Another result of the use of Sergent couplers is that the switching operations tend to be at a slower pace than when I was using Kadee couplers. And slower is a good thing.

Cheers and Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On May 21, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Clark Cooper csc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

We use Sergents on our Free-mo layout. They're easy to uncouple and, yes, they can be fiddly when coupling. They mimic the prototype in that regard.

We have discovered, since Sergents stay in whatever position they're left in, that in a yard the couplers tend to line up by themselves and less fiddling is required. Particularly if you can get your technique to the point where you minimize touching them.

We're also getting better at eyeballing the alignment, in situations where fiddling is required. So, the frustration is waning as we go.

And, I have to admit, it's kinda cool to look at the end of a car and see the knuckle in the open position. Just like the prototype.

-Clark Cooper
Iowa City, Iowa
(the other Iowa Clark)
http://knuckleheadsfreemo.org


On May 21, 2014, at 8:01 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:


In an effort to change the subject, but stay on topic I once operated on a layout using Sergent couplers. I’d say they are for the ‘discriminating’ modeler. They definitely look good and uncoupling is a breeze...coupling? Can be a bit frustrating. They’d be great for display models or someone who only switches a few cars a session. Guess the key to success is in the parts preparation before assembly.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


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Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

Clark Cooper
 

We use Sergents on our Free-mo layout. They're easy to uncouple and, yes, they can be fiddly when coupling. They mimic the prototype in that regard.

We have discovered, since Sergents stay in whatever position they're left in, that in a yard the couplers tend to line up by themselves and less fiddling is required. Particularly if you can get your technique to the point where you minimize touching them.

We're also getting better at eyeballing the alignment, in situations where fiddling is required. So, the frustration is waning as we go.

And, I have to admit, it's kinda cool to look at the end of a car and see the knuckle in the open position. Just like the prototype.

-Clark Cooper
Iowa City, Iowa
(the other Iowa Clark)
http://knuckleheadsfreemo.org

On May 21, 2014, at 8:01 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:


In an effort to change the subject, but stay on topic I once operated on a layout using Sergent couplers. I’d say they are for the ‘discriminating’ modeler. They definitely look good and uncoupling is a breeze...coupling? Can be a bit frustrating. They’d be great for display models or someone who only switches a few cars a session. Guess the key to success is in the parts preparation before assembly.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

Clark Propst
 

In an effort to change the subject, but stay on topic I once operated on a layout using Sergent couplers. I’d say they are for the ‘discriminating’ modeler. They definitely look good and uncoupling is a breeze...coupling? Can be a bit frustrating. They’d be great for display models or someone who only switches a few cars a session. Guess the key to success is in the parts preparation before assembly.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: ACL 38485-40384

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Unfortunately no. The earliest I have is 1947. I only happened to check the 1940 ORER.
 
Eric
 
 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] ACL 38485-40384

 

Eric,


I've been following your thread on the ACL vents.  If I interpreted your latest response correctly is sounds as though you have access to a 1940 ACL car diagram book - is that correct?  The reason I ask is that to my knowledge the earliest ACL car diagram book to surface dates to 1946-47.  If a diagram book predating 1946 exists, would you entertain the possibility of the ACL&SALRR HS obtaining a copy for our files?  Thanks!


Buddy Hill


Re: New question on an old technique

mikefrommontanan
 

I've used Martin's technique, though sometime with only the + or - color. The Post It masking and shading does help make panels more visible, but the key to the whole thing is to try to make the whole thing virtually imperceptible.

In any instance, it beats the tar out of the general overspray of Floquil Dust that many people consider to be "weathering".

Another arrow in the quiver.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

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Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 


On May 20, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

On 5/20/2014 8:06 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
Randy,
>
>You're CODE 88 wheels are .064/.069 wide with .014" deep flanges?


    I too thought this at first look but he 's referring to the second chart down called "fine scale options".  As it's in the "standards [S-4.1]" I'm assuming we can call these wheelsets an NMRA standard!  Too bad they don't come on the cars and you have to buy them separate.

-- 
Jon Miller

The latest True Line offering, the CPR 'Mini Box' cars, come equipped with these .088" wheelsets.

Dick


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

Rule #1 of standards should be don't create so many different standards
and recommended practices that no one (including genuine experts!) knows
which one to follow!

Tim O'

Ah yes, now I see it... this used to be presented in RP-3 and RP-4, and I was under the impression that those were going to be scrapped entirely, but I see they made it into the PROTO:87 standard, for whatever reason.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

destorzek@...
 

Ah yes, now I see it... this used to be presented in RP-3 and RP-4, and I was under the impression that those were going to be scrapped entirely, but I see they made it into the PROTO:87 standard, for whatever reason.

Dennis Storzek


Re: ACL 38485-40384

palmettoltd82
 

Sorry this was not meant for the list.  Neo strikes again.


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/20/2014 8:06 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
Randy,
>
>You're CODE 88 wheels are .064/.069 wide with .014" deep flanges?


    I too thought this at first look but he 's referring to the second chart down called "fine scale options".  As it's in the "standards [S-4.1]" I'm assuming we can call these wheelsets an NMRA standard!  Too bad they don't come on the cars and you have to buy them separate.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Wheelset and coupler choices.

Tim O'Connor
 

I have some NWSL P:87 wheelsets, and they definitely do not work on ordinary
HO scale switches! I looked at the photos online of the True Line wheels and
they look like what we call semi-fine HO scale -- wide wheel treads and
unprototypical flanges. In other words they ought to work on typical trackwork.

Tim O'Connor

"I beg to differ. S-4.1 (http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/S-4_1ProtoWheels.html) specifies the Standard (not an RP) for Fine:HO. This is the standard that we use for our "Code 88" Fine:HO weathered wheelsets. "

Randy,

You're CODE 88 wheels are .064/.069 wide with .014" deep flanges?

That sheet is the PROTO:87 standard.

Dennis


Re: ACL 38485-40384

palmettoltd82
 

Eric,


I've been following your thread on the ACL vents.  If I interpreted your latest response correctly is sounds as though you have access to a 1940 ACL car diagram book - is that correct?  The reason I ask is that to my knowledge the earliest ACL car diagram book to surface dates to 1946-47.  If a diagram book predating 1946 exists, would you entertain the possibility of the ACL&SALRR HS obtaining a copy for our files?  Thanks!


Buddy Hill


Re: Needle in a Haystack

Gary Roe
 

Many thanks to Eric Lombard, Ben Hom, Bill Hirt, and Tim O'Connor for their help, and especially the photos!  Now all I have to do, is figure out what "handsomely rewarded" means.  Perhaps I can purchase a liquid refreshment of your choice next time I see you.

Thanks again!

gary roe
quincy, illinois


From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Needle in a Haystack

 

Heh heh heh -- how much of a reward?? I have two photos...

Tim "finally a hobby payday!" O'Connor

>I recently learned of a little shortline in Jerseyville, Illinois called the Jerseyville & Eastern. Sometime between the Jan 1957 and Jan 1958 issues of the ORER, they acquired 3, 40 ton steel box cars. The IL was 40'-6, IH was 9'-0, and they had 6' doors. Reporting marks were "JE" and were numbered 100-102. It is not known if these were purchased second hand.
>
>Any help with info would be appreciated, and a photo would be handsomely rewarded.
>
>gary roe
>quincy, illinois




Re: New question on an old technique

Scott H. Haycock
 

I've always thought that this technique was more about artistic interpretation than actually trying to duplicate reality. I'm reminded of the various techniques we use to represent brick structures, with the mortar lines. We tend to lighten our paint so it isn't too dark under indoor lighting. We exaggerate rivet size, and the scribed siding on wood cars to make them even visible on otherwise scale models. All of these are akin to artistic techniques. 

I look at the T&P boxcar photo that Greg linked to, and I see his point. If you look at the 1st and 2nd panels to the left of the door, you'll see that the second panel is darker on it's left side than it's right, and the first panel is darker down it's center. I believe this is what Greg is trying to mimic with this technique. Whether this is caused by weathering, paint oxidation or lighting, it appears to be a valid observation.

Another point may be: do the photos of Greg's models exaggerate the effect? Photos have been known to do that! My point here, is that, the technique on the actual models may appear far more subtle than in photos.

Like Tony though, I wouldn't use this technique on very many cars, but I would try it, in a barely perceptible fashion, on a few. 

Another point; I doubt if this shading/weathering/paint oxidation, whatever, would show up in most freight car photos in this list's time frame , which would be largely Black and White.

One Man's opinion...


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 

Greg Martin wrote:

Well I didn't want to jump in here as I don't regard this technique as a "weathering technique" but as I have always explained it as a shading technique.
 
If you note Tony never refers to this as a weathering technique, he just doesn't like it.
 
As for prototype photos, well I guess it just take a trained eye to see it, it exists on every surface. It is a technique that exhibits the way that light falls on a subject whether flat or uneven ( I think that this is the way I explained it in my article in Mainline Modeler and in more detail in Railroad Model Craftsman.

       No, I don't "just not like it." I think it is unprototypical. I do not say it can't exist, nor that it isn't subtle, only that I do NOT see it in prototype photo after photo. When I first saw the technique described, I thought it was something I had been missing, and started looking. But I still haven't found it, and the T&P box car photo does not convince me. Whatever small effect is there is far smaller than what the technique portrays.
        I have the greatest respect for Greg and his modeling, and for all his contributions to the Shake 'n' Take event at Cocoa Beach. But I part ways with him on this particular point.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: New question on an old technique

Tony Thompson
 

Greg Martin wrote:

Well I didn't want to jump in here as I don't regard this technique as a "weathering technique" but as I have always explained it as a shading technique.
 
If you note Tony never refers to this as a weathering technique, he just doesn't like it.
 
As for prototype photos, well I guess it just take a trained eye to see it, it exists on every surface. It is a technique that exhibits the way that light falls on a subject whether flat or uneven ( I think that this is the way I explained it in my article in Mainline Modeler and in more detail in Railroad Model Craftsman.

       No, I don't "just not like it." I think it is unprototypical. I do not say it can't exist, nor that it isn't subtle, only that I do NOT see it in prototype photo after photo. When I first saw the technique described, I thought it was something I had been missing, and started looking. But I still haven't found it, and the T&P box car photo does not convince me. Whatever small effect is there is far smaller than what the technique portrays.
        I have the greatest respect for Greg and his modeling, and for all his contributions to the Shake 'n' Take event at Cocoa Beach. But I part ways with him on this particular point.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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