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Re: open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 11:03 AM 5/26/2014, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] wrote:
Thanks for the general link. The finding aid indicates several additional off line loaded freight cars and a series of photos of "Loading crane broken through dock of Pittsburg, Calif. Santa Fe R.R. crane leased for recovery." I wonder if they show the idler flat/boom car?
John

Per the link:
http://pdf.oac.cdlib.org/pdf/berkeley/bancroft/p1905_11964_cubanc.pdf
The OAC images are the tip of the iceberg. It appears that only 41 of the 247 photos are digitized...

Of specific note are un-digitized images #121 - #143... Your answer might be in:
:142 [Wharf scene, with loading crane and lumber car.]
:143 [Wharf scene, with loading crane and ship.]

There are also a large number of "Yard Scene" (lumber or railroad?) and "Wharf" photos... plus;
:62 [Pipe loaded on railway cars.]
:63 [Pipe loaded on railway cars.]
:64 [Pipe being loaded by crane.]
:65 [Pipe on railway car.]
:66 [Pipe stack.]
:67 [Pipe loaded on railway car.]

Makes one itch for a re-visit to the UC Bancroft Library!
I hope that these would be in better condition than the remnants of the Roy Graves collection.


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: PRR K8 stock car L&N kitbash possibilities? ACL & C&O too?

ed_mines
 

What do you use to age it (make it look more silvery)?

 

Ed Mines


Concrete pipe in gons

gary laakso
 

Tim O'Connor posted this youtube feature.  You need to wait until 5:20 into the film to see 5 or 6 gondolas with concrete pipe loads.

Gary Laakso
South of Mike Brock


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [Espee]" <Espee@...>
Date: May 26, 2014 at 1:25:19 AM EDT
To: espee@...
Subject: [Espee] SP at night in the 1940's
Reply-To: Espee@...

 


very enjoyable 9+ minute ride at night along San Fernando Blvd
in the 1940's (guessing location from signs seen along the road)
many freight cars seen, some stations too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWOSEukNYyk

Tim O'


Re: terra cotta roofing tiles

O Fenton Wells
 

Bill I wish someone would make the pipes in resin.  The dimensions of the pipe and the ends are available on line by googling cast iron pipe.  The mechanical joint appears to be the most common pipe joint in the 1950's for water and sewer plants.  If you model the south or have cars from there you would have seen lots of gons of this stuff back then.
From what I understand and I don't have any facts but the structural tile pipe and other shapes used for storm drains and foundation drains and chimney liners were carried mostly by truck.  However I am sure some went by rail.  I just don't have any documents for that
Fenton Wells


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:42 PM, William Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ed and Group,


A number of years ago, I pulled down of a web site an image of SLSF 85954, a USRA composite gondola, loaded with what appears to be cast iron pipe of about — guessing here — 18-feet in length. There are partial images of similar cars coupled to both ends of this car also loaded with cast iron pipe. The date of the photo is given as 1958, which could be considered as a fairly late date for a USRA car to be in service. My plan is to model this car and load. 

I doubt that anyone would walk away carrying one of these lengths of pipe. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On May 25, 2014, at 1:17 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 Henry Maywald told me he saw a Rio Grande stock car loaded with terra cotta tiles here on Long Island in the '50s.

 

I don't think anything of value that could be carried away would be shipped in open top cars.

 

Ed Mines






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Re: open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

John Barry
 

Richard,

Thanks for the general link.  The finding aid indicates several additional off line loaded freight cars and a series of photos of "Loading crane broken through dock of Pittsburg, Calif. Santa Fe R.R. crane leased for recovery."  I wonder if they show the idler flat/boom car?  

 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "Richard Brennan brennan8@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

 
Redwood, with its natural resistance to deterioration, was often used
for underground pipe in the Far West.

An comprehensive set of photos from the Redwood Manufacturers Company
Plant in Pittsburg, Calif is on-line at the California Digital Library...
http://www.oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf7v19p57x;developer=local;style=oac4;doc.view=items

including AT&SF FT-G #93264 with a quite full flared-end pipe load:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/redwood/figures/I0026212A.jpg

Loaded PRR GRa #337448 and AT&SF Box #9281 with straight
wire-wrapped sections appear in:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/redwood/figures/I0026209A.jpg

I have seen Sanborn map notations where underground redwood pipe was used;
and Bay Area construction projects are STILL digging this stuff up...
~100 years after it was placed!

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

John Barry
 

Richard,

9281 is a DS Auto car with four fishbelly underframe sections.  The photo dates from prior to conversion to all steel in the mid to late 30s.  Nice in service shot.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "Richard Brennan brennan8@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

 
Redwood, with its natural resistance to deterioration, was often used
for underground pipe in the Far West.

An comprehensive set of photos from the Redwood Manufacturers Company
Plant in Pittsburg, Calif is on-line at the California Digital Library...
http://www.oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf7v19p57x;developer=local;style=oac4;doc.view=items

including AT&SF FT-G #93264 with a quite full flared-end pipe load:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/redwood/figures/I0026212A.jpg

Loaded PRR GRa #337448 and AT&SF Box #9281 with straight
wire-wrapped sections appear in:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/redwood/figures/I0026209A.jpg

I have seen Sanborn map notations where underground redwood pipe was used;
and Bay Area construction projects are STILL digging this stuff up...
~100 years after it was placed!

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Redwood, with its natural resistance to deterioration, was often used for underground pipe in the Far West.

An comprehensive set of photos from the Redwood Manufacturers Company Plant in Pittsburg, Calif is on-line at the California Digital Library...
http://www.oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf7v19p57x;developer=local;style=oac4;doc.view=items

including AT&SF FT-G #93264 with a quite full flared-end pipe load:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/redwood/figures/I0026212A.jpg

Loaded PRR GRa #337448 and AT&SF Box #9281 with straight wire-wrapped sections appear in:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/redwood/figures/I0026209A.jpg

I have seen Sanborn map notations where underground redwood pipe was used;
and Bay Area construction projects are STILL digging this stuff up... ~100 years after it was placed!


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Sunshine Response to Request for Replacement of Wrong Parts in Th...

Jerry Hamsmith
 

Nelson -

For information about HO scale resin CB&Q GS-8s currently in development, please contact me off list at hammersr at aol.com

Jerry Hamsmith


Re: terra cotta roofing tiles

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Ed and Group,

A number of years ago, I pulled down of a web site an image of SLSF 85954, a USRA composite gondola, loaded with what appears to be cast iron pipe of about — guessing here — 18-feet in length. There are partial images of similar cars coupled to both ends of this car also loaded with cast iron pipe. The date of the photo is given as 1958, which could be considered as a fairly late date for a USRA car to be in service. My plan is to model this car and load. 

I doubt that anyone would walk away carrying one of these lengths of pipe. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On May 25, 2014, at 1:17 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 Henry Maywald told me he saw a Rio Grande stock car loaded with terra cotta tiles here on Long Island in the '50s.

 

I don't think anything of value that could be carried away would be shipped in open top cars.

 

Ed Mines




Re: Are conductor's lists of interest?

A&Y Dave in MD
 

You could even apply a rank order correlation test to the actual and observed values to show that they match statistically, although the evidence was fairly clear. I'll have to go through your other posts. Interesting stuff!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On May 26, 2014, at 3:34 AM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Larry Castle wrote:

 
Several years ago I scanned and posted a number of conductors train lists and put them in the photos section. Below is one example but it appears Yahoo changed the size making the images useless or I am not viewing them correctly. I can replace them if I know the requirements. 
 
I scanned each page and put them in the photo section at: Now screwed up by Yahoo

         A couple of years ago, when Larry had first posted these time book pages, I went through them and collected various information I could use in my own modeling of the SP Coast Line. I reported on the highlights of my findings in a series of blog posts. One, with a link to an earlier one, is at this link:


I hope this illustrates one kind of use that can be made of these sorts of data.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Are conductor's lists of interest?

Tony Thompson
 

Larry Castle wrote:

 
Several years ago I scanned and posted a number of conductors train lists and put them in the photos section. Below is one example but it appears Yahoo changed the size making the images useless or I am not viewing them correctly. I can replace them if I know the requirements. 
 
I scanned each page and put them in the photo section at: Now screwed up by Yahoo

         A couple of years ago, when Larry had first posted these time book pages, I went through them and collected various information I could use in my own modeling of the SP Coast Line. I reported on the highlights of my findings in a series of blog posts. One, with a link to an earlier one, is at this link:


I hope this illustrates one kind of use that can be made of these sorts of data.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Are conductor's lists of interest?

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Larry

Sample pages from the three albums downloaded for me at a fairly readable 700 by 800 pixels (average)...
Were they originally larger?

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 02:37 PM 5/25/2014, sp1930s@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
Several years ago I scanned and posted a number of conductors train lists and put them in the photos section. Below is one example but it appears Yahoo changed the size making the images useless or I am not viewing them correctly. I can replace them if I know the requirements.
scanned each page and put them in the photo section at: Now screwed up by Yahoo
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/650677275/pic/list>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/650677275/pic/list


Re: Are conductor's lists of interest?

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Larry,

I was able to access and read your uploads just fine.  I had to zoom in and out (on my computer if I hold down the CTRL key and then roll the wheel on my mouse, I can zoom in and out).  Thank you for calling attention to them! 

Dave


At 05:37 PM 5/25/2014, you wrote:
Dear list
 
Several years ago I scanned and posted a number of conductors train lists and put them in the photos section. Below is one example but it appears Yahoo changed the size making the images useless or I am not viewing them correctly. I can replace them if I know the requirements.
 
I scanned each page and put them in the photo section at: Now screwed up by Yahoo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/650677275/pic/list
 
Larry Castle


Soil pipe versus sewer or water pipe

rdietrichson
 

Hi all,
The pipe that Shapeways produced is commonly called soil pipe and is used primarily in building construction. Normally cast iron or ductile iron pipe has a shorter and more tapered bell. The comment that these two varieties of pipe come in 18' sticks is correct. A fitted gasket for the cast or ductile pipe is inserted into a groove in the bell, and the spigot end of the next joint of pipe is slipped in, creating a water tight seal. Before rubber gaskets fiber and lead joints were used.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: CB&Q Wheel Reports

Dave Sarther
 

Oops, in my haste to share information I forgot about the group cut off date.  Mea Culpa!  Still neat stuff regardless of dates.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CB&Q Wheel Reports

Riverboy
 

What is the link to the group?

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)
 
 


On Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:58 PM, "'sartherdj@...' sartherdj@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
For members interested in more links to "Conductor's Train Lists" or "Wheel Reports" go to: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEGNWheelReports.htm
Nicely transcribed documents ready to print for some GN trains of the 1968 era.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hirt whirt@... [STMFC]
To: 'sartherdj@...' sartherdj@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sun, May 25, 2014 5:13 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q Wheel Reports

 
Dave,

Join the Rail Freight Group. Russ Stroutz has posted several CB&Q wheel
reports in the files area. Also if you search the old messages, he has
also posted some he has typed in himself.

Bill




Re: CB&Q Wheel Reports

Dave Sarther
 

For members interested in more links to "Conductor's Train Lists" or "Wheel Reports" go to: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEGNWheelReports.htm
Nicely transcribed documents ready to print for some GN trains of the 1968 era.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hirt whirt@... [STMFC]
To: 'sartherdj@...' sartherdj@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sun, May 25, 2014 5:13 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q Wheel Reports

 
Dave,

Join the Rail Freight Group. Russ Stroutz has posted several CB&Q wheel
reports in the files area. Also if you search the old messages, he has
also posted some he has typed in himself.

Bill


Re: Western of Alabama hopper details

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 25, 2014, at 5:01 PM, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

My apologies, Al.  I inadvertently addressed my recent message to “Bill,” knot “Al.”  I guess I had another Floridian, Bill Weclh, on the brain.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Western of Alabama hopper details

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 25, 2014, at 5:01 PM, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I’m detailing an Accurail USRA twin hopper as a Western of Alabama car, series 11000-11044.  (They were “clones” built in 1923, not USRA originals.) I’ve seen the broadside photo in Bob Karig’s hopper book, so now I’m interested in the details on the B end: brake wheel, hand brake, brake step, cut lever, retainer valve. Can anyone direct me to a photo showing the B end, or a diagram book?
Bill, I have two photos of WofA 11017 reweighed in ’56.  One is a broadside (possibly the one in Bob’s book); the other is a 7/8 view showing the B end.  It’s a bit fuzzy, but it you want it I’ll see what I can do with it in Photoshop.  It shows that the car had, by that time, been retrofitted with a Miner poweer handbrake.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: open car loads (pipe sections with flared ends)

O Fenton Wells
 

The Southern shipped tons of cast iron and later ductile iron pipe from the
southeast, Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina and other states were the
cast iron pipe foundries were. Alabama Pipe, Glamorgan (sp?), US Pipe were
a few of many. The pipe joints were mechanical, flanged and later a bell
joint pipe, with a forced fitting and a butyl compression ring..
Here is a cover of the Southern Railway employee magazine from the early
1960's showing mechanical joint pipe being loaded into a rebuilt gon.
Fenton Wells


On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 8:00 PM, ron.merrick@... [STMFC] <
STMFC@...> wrote:



Pipe could have been shipped in gons, or more likely, flatcars, with
suitable timber bracing.

Fittings would have been crated and shipped in boxcars, most likely.


Ron Merrick



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