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Re: Running Board Overhang Length

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Recently I looked up a Santa Fe (SFRB) box car built in 1958 -- the car
was 50'6" IL and the running board length was 53'10" -- triangular gussets
were applied underneath to support the long overhang. Several classes of
Santa Fe box cars had these extra long running boards.

Tim O'Connor

Over the years of building numerous styrene and resin freight car kits it is impossible not to notice the variations in the length of the Running Board overhang in the kit parts. Was there a standard length stated for the overhang? Perhaps a minimum or maximum?
Bill Welch


Re: Running Board Overhang Length

jimbojk2003
 

Seems to me there is a chart in the Car Builders Cyclopedias of the time period. I'll check.
Jim Cummings


Re: B&O box car class?

rwitt_2000
 

I am late with the post, but I have the correct information.

This box car #469520 is from the series B&O 469500-469533 assigned B&O/C&O class B-13.

These 50-ft box cars were rebuilt at the B&O DuBois Shops in 1966 from series 296100-296199 and 296500-296999 both ex-class M-58 built by Greenville Steel Car in 1945.

The diagram is a little confusing, but series 469500-469521 were originally built by Greenville (M-58) and series 469522-469533 were built by ACF in 1947 original series (M-58a) 297000-297499 (500 cars).

Series 469500-469515 have no interior equipment
Series 469516-469533 have P.D. Lining and car #469531 has 5 partial DF-2 belts

The aux door fastened on 469522-469533

The information is from a B&O/C&O diagram dated 5-19-1970.

Unfortunately the rebuild dates places then out of the era for the STMFC so further discussion should move to one of the post-1960 freight car groups.

Bob Witt


Running Board Overhang Length

Bill Welch
 

Over the years of building numerous styrene and resin freight car kits it is impossible not to notice the variations in the length of the Running Board overhang in the kit parts. Was there a standard length stated for the overhang? Perhaps a minimum or maximum?


Bill Welch


Re: Freight car distribution data found

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Thanks for sharing this with us. Note the major shift in the number of Santa Fe cars on line and number of foreign cars on Santa Fe from 1934 to 1943.

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Thu, 5/29/14, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Freight car distribution data found
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>, "OPSIG" <Ry-ops-industrialSIG@...>, "SANTAFE Discussion List" <SANTAFE@...>, "santafeRR@..." <santafeRR@...>, "atsf@..." <atsf@...>, "cajon@..." <cajon@...>
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2014, 12:48 AM
















 









I made a
discovery at the CSRM last week that shows the actual number
of system and foreign auto, box and refer cars on line on
the Santa Fe from 1934-1943.  I've written a post
about it here http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/05/building-wwii-santa-fe-fleet-iv.html John
Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast
Freights

707-490-9696

3450 Palmer Drive, Suite
4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: Chateau Martin Web Page Update

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

The wreck picture is very enlightening. These cars, and I presume the milk cars from which they were modified, carried their loads in two large tanks inside the wood-sided exterior. The doors were simply for access and connecting hoses for loading and unloading. Although there is a superficial resemblance to refrigerator cars and to milk cars for can service, the loading process is quite different. Also, they wouldn't show up at an ice platform.

Alex Schneider


From: "Lancaster James ljames1@... [STMFC]"
To: Jim Lancaster
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:21 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Chateau Martin Web Page Update

I have added new photos of Chateau Martin wine cars (ex-milk cars) to 
my CM web page.
http://coastdaylight.com/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html

Jim Lancaster



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Re: Freight car distribution data found

devansprr
 

John,

AWESOME DATA! Many thanks for sharing. I am also trying to estimate a WWII freight car distribution - although on the other coast.

I noticed that by late '43, over 2/3rds of ATSF box cars were off-line, but that a very similar number of foreign box cars were on-line (i.e. total box cars on line equal to about the ATSF box car fleet).

That would mean that ATSF wide, about 25-30% of box cars were ATSF, and the rest were foreign.

This would match the very limited number of WWII photos of PRR freight trains (about 1/4 of box cars were PRR). Unfortuantely no equivalent recorded data has been found for the PRR.

Very different story during the great depression, but traffic was MUCH lower then.

This may help validate the N-G concept, at least for WWII when car utilization was at its peak.

Dave Evans


---In STMFC@..., <northbaylines@...> wrote :

I made a discovery at the CSRM last week that shows the actual number of system and foreign auto, box and refer cars on line on the Santa Fe from 1934-1943.  I've written a post about it here http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/05/building-wwii-santa-fe-fleet-iv.html
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Chateau Martin Web Page Update

Jim Lancaster
 

I have added new photos of Chateau Martin wine cars (ex-milk cars) to my CM web page.
http://coastdaylight.com/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html

Jim Lancaster


Re: old photo

 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the bridge photo.  I now have several excellent scans.  Turned out it was my first submission but my second publication.  The photo was an out take from an article on how the removable center span was powered.  My first layout was in an apartment.  It was C-shaped to allow unimpeded access to the front door and kitchen.  The bridge gap led to the bedroom and bath. 
 
I brought the bridge to my very first NMRA division meet where it won first in the model contest.  Paul Mallery was there giving his bridge clinic.  He praised my effort and I was hooked.  From such things a career was launched.  (And yes, there were freight cars on the bridge.) – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] old photo
 
 

Al,

I found a June 1965 Model Railroader article for a tie cutting jig.  For some reason I wasn't able to find the camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever bridge article in my digital MR archives. 

I wish the MR digital archives was scanned clearer and to scale. 

Nate


Freight car distribution data found

John Barry
 

I made a discovery at the CSRM last week that shows the actual number of system and foreign auto, box and refer cars on line on the Santa Fe from 1934-1943.  I've written a post about it here http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/05/building-wwii-santa-fe-fleet-iv.html
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: old photo

Nathan Obermeyer
 

Al,

I found a June 1965 Model Railroader article for a tie cutting jig.  For some reason I wasn't able to find the camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever bridge article in my digital MR archives. 

I wish the MR digital archives was scanned clearer and to scale. 

Nate


Re: Sunshine CB&Q XM-25/XM-26

mopacfirst
 

Bob:

Thanks.  I was hoping you wouldn't say it was too high, since it's a pretty short car even compared to a couple of the USRA non-raised-roof rebuilds I have.

Ron Merrick


Re: old photo

Don Burn
 

My digital version of MR shows it as Page 52 of August 1967. I suspect you can find a clearer scan than what is was done by Kalmbach. It is a camelback leading freight cars over the bridge.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] old photo

Hi Al,

I will look and see if I have the issue and if I do I will copy it and mail it to you as I do not have a scanner. It will be interesting to see the bridge and the freight cars on it!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

On 5/28/14, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield'
westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Pierre – Of course it was compressed but it WAS 10 feet long. – Al

From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] old photo



You built a model of the Quebec bridge!?
That I would love to see.
Was it compressed or scale length?

Sent from my iPhone
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On May 28, 2014, at 6:52 PM, "'Al and Patricia Westerfield'
westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



I’m getting my affairs in order. No, I’m not dying, I’m eliminating
magazines that didn’t go with the sale of the business, ones with my
photos or articles. I’m digitizing them, along with all my model
railroad slides and prints. I am unable to find my first appearance
in a magazine, a photo in MR from about late 1964-early 1965. It’s in
the Trackside Photos section and shows a camelback on a model of the
Quebec Cantilever, a model I built as a teenager. (I’m pretty sure
there’s a freight car behind the loco.) Would some kind person send me
a scan of the page? I’d be eternally grateful. – Al Westerfield

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Re: old photo

Pierre Oliver
 

That's about 25% of the prototype. Which remains impressive

Pierre Oliver


On May 28, 2014, at 8:06 PM, "'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Pierre – Of course it was compressed but it WAS 10 feet long. – Al
 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] old photo
 
 

You built a model of the Quebec bridge!?
That I would love to see.
Was it compressed or scale length?

On May 28, 2014, at 6:52 PM, "'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
I’m getting my affairs in order.  No, I’m not dying, I’m eliminating magazines that didn’t go with the sale of the business, ones with my photos or articles.  I’m digitizing them, along with all my model railroad slides and prints.  I am unable to find my first appearance in a magazine, a photo in MR from about late 1964-early 1965.  It’s in the Trackside Photos section and shows a camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever, a model I built as a teenager. (I’m pretty sure there’s a freight car behind the loco.)  Would some kind person send me a scan of the page?  I’d be eternally grateful. – Al Westerfield


Re: old photo

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Hi Al,

I will look and see if I have the issue and if I do I will copy it and
mail it to you as I do not have a scanner. It will be interesting to
see the bridge and the freight cars on it!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

On 5/28/14, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield'
westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Pierre – Of course it was compressed but it WAS 10 feet long. – Al

From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] old photo



You built a model of the Quebec bridge!?
That I would love to see.
Was it compressed or scale length?

Sent from my iPhone
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On May 28, 2014, at 6:52 PM, "'Al and Patricia Westerfield'
westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



I’m getting my affairs in order. No, I’m not dying, I’m eliminating
magazines that didn’t go with the sale of the business, ones with my photos
or articles. I’m digitizing them, along with all my model railroad slides
and prints. I am unable to find my first appearance in a magazine, a photo
in MR from about late 1964-early 1965. It’s in the Trackside Photos section
and shows a camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever, a model I built
as a teenager. (I’m pretty sure there’s a freight car behind the loco.)
Would some kind person send me a scan of the page? I’d be eternally
grateful. – Al Westerfield


Re: old photo

 

Pierre – Of course it was compressed but it WAS 10 feet long. – Al
 

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] old photo
 
 

You built a model of the Quebec bridge!?
That I would love to see.
Was it compressed or scale length?

On May 28, 2014, at 6:52 PM, "'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
I’m getting my affairs in order.  No, I’m not dying, I’m eliminating magazines that didn’t go with the sale of the business, ones with my photos or articles.  I’m digitizing them, along with all my model railroad slides and prints.  I am unable to find my first appearance in a magazine, a photo in MR from about late 1964-early 1965.  It’s in the Trackside Photos section and shows a camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever, a model I built as a teenager. (I’m pretty sure there’s a freight car behind the loco.)  Would some kind person send me a scan of the page?  I’d be eternally grateful. – Al Westerfield


Re: old photo

Pierre Oliver
 

You built a model of the Quebec bridge!?
That I would love to see.
Was it compressed or scale length?

On May 28, 2014, at 6:52 PM, "'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I’m getting my affairs in order.  No, I’m not dying, I’m eliminating magazines that didn’t go with the sale of the business, ones with my photos or articles.  I’m digitizing them, along with all my model railroad slides and prints.  I am unable to find my first appearance in a magazine, a photo in MR from about late 1964-early 1965.  It’s in the Trackside Photos section and shows a camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever, a model I built as a teenager. (I’m pretty sure there’s a freight car behind the loco.)  Would some kind person send me a scan of the page?  I’d be eternally grateful. – Al Westerfield


old photo

 

I’m getting my affairs in order.  No, I’m not dying, I’m eliminating magazines that didn’t go with the sale of the business, ones with my photos or articles.  I’m digitizing them, along with all my model railroad slides and prints.  I am unable to find my first appearance in a magazine, a photo in MR from about late 1964-early 1965.  It’s in the Trackside Photos section and shows a camelback on a model of the Quebec Cantilever, a model I built as a teenager. (I’m pretty sure there’s a freight car behind the loco.)  Would some kind person send me a scan of the page?  I’d be eternally grateful. – Al Westerfield


Re: alcohol, dullcote & decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines asked:
"Which alcohol is used to fade paint colors with dullcote?"

Isopropanol, IIRC. Mike Rose's technique article was in the July 2001 issue of RMC. 


"Some alcohols attack decals and I think this would be worse for modern day thin film decals."

Why should this matter?  The decals are already sealed under the Dullcote, and the alcohol doesn't strip it away.


Ben Hom


Re: Painting HO Scale Brass

ed_mines
 

Anyone taking organic chemistry soon learns that adding A to B does not always result in C & D.

 

Chemists sometimes have to stand on their heads to get get a little bit of C -put in a whole lot of extra A and remove D as soon as it forms.

 

Many foods including ketchup contain both vinegar and salt.

 

Ed Mines

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