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Re: X29 ends - PMM

Greg Martin
 

Claus,
 
It was actually Model Railroading. It was a great mix of the prototype and modeling "how to". A brilliant piece of work.
 
For me it start with two modelers, Mont Switzer and Richard Hendrickson and their articles in Prototype Modeler. I was on both the research and the modeling.
 
 
Greg Martin
 
 
Claus writes:

  
Hi List Members,
 
For me, it was the multi-installment series on PRR hoppers done by John Teichmoeller in, I believe, RMJ. I never knew such a quantity of information of cars could be amassed!
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 


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apologize, for the duplicate, having nothing but problems with yehoo lately,
it is including addresses, not copied in the original address line, from where,
i don't know?
mel perry


Influences

clipper841@...
 



leave us not forget, jack work, gib kennedy, paul larson, martin lofton, and our present
sources, the martin brothers (heh, heh), jack burgess, ted culotta, richard hendrickson,
and  ed hawkins, and last but not least,  the great john allen, all of whom contributed
to the advancement, the knowledge and techniques, that we know today, thanks guys
mel perry

On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Robert rdkirkham@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I’m curious to know how the authors of those earlier articles we all reference got to not only be interested at a level way beyond the hobby, but collected enough material to become authors.  Their accomplishment became the entry point for a whole other level of hobby enjoyment.
 
I’d have to agree that Jack Work was an influence for me too.  A buddy,  Guy Brooke, now sadly passed on, was fortunate enough to see a flat car modelled by Jack.   It included a scratch built ratchet and pawl on the hand brake.  Great modeller.
 
Rob Kirkham    
 
Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:33 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Influences
 


For me, it was RMJ in general that was amazing.  I suppose it was Ed Hawkin’s box car articles that really got me hooked.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



Hi List Members,

 

For me, it was the multi-installment series on PRR hoppers done by John Teichmoeller in, I believe, RMJ. I never knew such a quantity of information of cars could be amassed!

 

  -  Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:43 AM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

For me the seminal modeling projects were Gibb Kennedy’s Kettle Valley passenger cars and John Chapp’s B&LE Pressed Steel hopper. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:30 AM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



I don't believe that John Nehrich and the RPI group get nearly enough credit for the ,"Great Awakening".Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 

I find the emergence of interest in prototype freight cars in the model railroading hobby interesting.  I came to the topic much later than many here, but can retrace the developing interest through certain key articles. 

 

I think the interesting bit to me is that I had not heard of James Lane’s articles, nor those of  Gary Rausch and Bob Johnson or Amerine until this discussion in this list.    Each of those was published in a journal that was unknown to me back in the 1970s.  I spent a few years there colleting back issue of MR and RMC, but that still didn’t give me awareness of other periodicals.  In fact, I’m not sure when I first became aware of historical societies with publications – but it would have been in the 1980s. 

 

It makes me think just how much easier it is to discovery these things today.  

 

Rob Kirkham

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Influences

clipper841@att.net <clipper841@...>
 



leave us not forget, jack work, gib kennedy, paul larson, martin lofton, and our present
sources, the martin brothers (heh, heh), jack burgess, ted culotta, richard hendrickson,
and  ed hawkins, and last but not least,  the great john allen, all of whom contributed
to the advancement, the knowledge and techniques, that we know today, thanks guys
mel perry

On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Robert rdkirkham@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I’m curious to know how the authors of those earlier articles we all reference got to not only be interested at a level way beyond the hobby, but collected enough material to become authors.  Their accomplishment became the entry point for a whole other level of hobby enjoyment.
 
I’d have to agree that Jack Work was an influence for me too.  A buddy,  Guy Brooke, now sadly passed on, was fortunate enough to see a flat car modelled by Jack.   It included a scratch built ratchet and pawl on the hand brake.  Great modeller.
 
Rob Kirkham    
 
Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:33 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Influences
 


For me, it was RMJ in general that was amazing.  I suppose it was Ed Hawkin’s box car articles that really got me hooked.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



Hi List Members,

 

For me, it was the multi-installment series on PRR hoppers done by John Teichmoeller in, I believe, RMJ. I never knew such a quantity of information of cars could be amassed!

 

  -  Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:43 AM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

For me the seminal modeling projects were Gibb Kennedy’s Kettle Valley passenger cars and John Chapp’s B&LE Pressed Steel hopper. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:30 AM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



I don't believe that John Nehrich and the RPI group get nearly enough credit for the ,"Great Awakening".Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 

I find the emergence of interest in prototype freight cars in the model railroading hobby interesting.  I came to the topic much later than many here, but can retrace the developing interest through certain key articles. 

 

I think the interesting bit to me is that I had not heard of James Lane’s articles, nor those of  Gary Rausch and Bob Johnson or Amerine until this discussion in this list.    Each of those was published in a journal that was unknown to me back in the 1970s.  I spent a few years there colleting back issue of MR and RMC, but that still didn’t give me awareness of other periodicals.  In fact, I’m not sure when I first became aware of historical societies with publications – but it would have been in the 1980s. 

 

It makes me think just how much easier it is to discovery these things today.  

 

Rob Kirkham

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Re: Development of data sources an the historical record

cinderandeight@...
 

Eric,
    Sounds like you traveled much the same path as I have.  Researching the real thing was too much fun to keep modelling.  I agree, Craig Bossler was and is still one of those rare knowledgable historians who was "there" back in the 1970's and even 1960's recording information, and taking photos.  One of the best "Hotels" I have ever stayed at has been the "Hotel Bossler" in Reading, PA..  Amazing library.
    It seems that before 1970 the hobby of freight car history was being practiced on a low level by numerous photographers, perhaps as a side hobby to the locomotives.  My favorite was Paul Dunn, who shot massive numbers of freight car negatives.  Another was my friend John F Harris Sr., who as a PRR frieght car inspector knew exactly what to shoot.  We owe a debt to the many photographers who bothered to record freight cars.  Film wasn't cheap, and we are fortunate that so many images have surfaced over the years.
    Today the hobby has shifted more toward library research, but us older guys sure miss the days when we could just head out on a road trip and shoot the "cars in the wild".  They are all in "game preserves" now (museums).
    Rich Burg
   


Re: Influences

Robert kirkham
 

I’m curious to know how the authors of those earlier articles we all reference got to not only be interested at a level way beyond the hobby, but collected enough material to become authors.  Their accomplishment became the entry point for a whole other level of hobby enjoyment.
 
I’d have to agree that Jack Work was an influence for me too.  A buddy,  Guy Brooke, now sadly passed on, was fortunate enough to see a flat car modelled by Jack.   It included a scratch built ratchet and pawl on the hand brake.  Great modeller.
 
Rob Kirkham    
 

Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:33 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Influences
 


For me, it was RMJ in general that was amazing.  I suppose it was Ed Hawkin’s box car articles that really got me hooked.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



Hi List Members,

 

For me, it was the multi-installment series on PRR hoppers done by John Teichmoeller in, I believe, RMJ. I never knew such a quantity of information of cars could be amassed!

 

  -  Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

To: STMFC@...

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:43 AM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

For me the seminal modeling projects were Gibb Kennedy’s Kettle Valley passenger cars and John Chapp’s B&LE Pressed Steel hopper. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:30 AM

To: STMFC@...

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



I don't believe that John Nehrich and the RPI group get nearly enough credit for the ,"Great Awakening".Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----

To: STMFC@...

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 

I find the emergence of interest in prototype freight cars in the model railroading hobby interesting.  I came to the topic much later than many here, but can retrace the developing interest through certain key articles. 

 

I think the interesting bit to me is that I had not heard of James Lane’s articles, nor those of  Gary Rausch and Bob Johnson or Amerine until this discussion in this list.    Each of those was published in a journal that was unknown to me back in the 1970s.  I spent a few years there colleting back issue of MR and RMC, but that still didn’t give me awareness of other periodicals.  In fact, I’m not sure when I first became aware of historical societies with publications – but it would have been in the 1980s. 

 

It makes me think just how much easier it is to discovery these things today.  

 

Rob Kirkham

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Re: Shorpy MDT Shops Photo

boomer44 <boomer44@...>
 

Sad to say no serious effort was ever made to preserve the "shops" as a link to our past. Some of it is still there but you need to know what your looking for.

Gordon Spalty
Rochester,NY


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Re: Shorpy MDT Shops Photo

CJ Riley
 

With all that ivy, it looks like one of my structure models. I wonder what flaw it's covering up.

CJ Riley
Port Ludlow WA

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On Thu, 6/5/14, thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Shorpy MDT Shops Photo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014, 2:07 PM


 











Here is a link to a circa 1904
photo of the Merchants
Despatch Transportation Company shops in Despatch
(present-day East
Rochester), New
York. 


 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/8253?size=_original#caption

 

Click on the photo to enlarge
it.  The amount of detail in the way of freight
car parts is amazing.

 

Bob Chaparro











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Re: Shorpy MDT Shops Photo

Tony Thompson
 

Here is a link to a circa 1904 photo of the Merchants Despatch Transportation Company shops in Despatch (present-day East Rochester), New York. 

     
    The same photo is on page 84 of Roger Hinman's MDT book, and is from the Library of Congress.

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Re: Shorpy MDT Shops Photo

Jack Burgess
 

Notice the Fox truck side frames next to worker with the wheelbarrow...

 

Jack Burgess

 

Here is a link to a circa 1904 photo of the Merchants Despatch Transportation Company shops in Despatch (present-day East Rochester), New York. 

 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/8253?size=_original#caption

 

Click on the photo to enlarge it.  The amount of detail in the way of freight car parts is amazing.

 

Bob Chaparro





Shorpy MDT Shops Photo

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a link to a circa 1904 photo of the Merchants Despatch Transportation Company shops in Despatch (present-day East Rochester), New York. 

 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/8253?size=_original#caption

 

Click on the photo to enlarge it.  The amount of detail in the way of freight car parts is amazing.

 

Bob Chaparro


Re: SAL 43000-44199 pulpwood cars

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


SAL 43000-43421 were converted by NNSB in 1949
SAL 43500-44199 were converted by SAL in 1951 using BSC parts
not sure if the conversion form box cars involved new bodies on old trucks or not.
 
Eric N.
 

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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SAL 43000-44199 pulpwood cars

 

A friend is scratchbuilding pulpwood flats, bless his heart (that's a Southernism for "he's crazy").
A picture in the Oct 93 RailModel Journal shows SAL 43786, series 43000-44199, a 40-ton flat that
looks a lot like the Georgia & Florida's 3000-class 50-ton flats pictured in the Aug 98 Mainline
Modeler, built by Bethlehem in Nov 53. The Seaboard's sidesills are a little deeper and the bulkheads
not quite as tall as the G&F's. My question is, where the Seaboard's also built by Bethlehem as new
cars (not rebuilds)? And when? Can't read the data in the RMJ photo.

thanks
Scott Chatfield


great awakening

ed_mines
 

......... Richard Hendrickson's articles in "Prototype Modeler".

 

I remember once seeing a whole train of  the professor's prototype cars.

 

And Gene Deimling's Erie covered hopper.

 

Ed Mines

 

 


SAL 43000-44199 pulpwood cars

D. Scott Chatfield
 

A friend is scratchbuilding pulpwood flats, bless his heart (that's a Southernism for "he's crazy").
A picture in the Oct 93 RailModel Journal shows SAL 43786, series 43000-44199, a 40-ton flat that
looks a lot like the Georgia & Florida's 3000-class 50-ton flats pictured in the Aug 98 Mainline
Modeler, built by Bethlehem in Nov 53. The Seaboard's sidesills are a little deeper and the bulkheads
not quite as tall as the G&F's. My question is, where the Seaboard's also built by Bethlehem as new
cars (not rebuilds)? And when? Can't read the data in the RMJ photo.

thanks
Scott Chatfield


Re: Truss Rod CNO&TP boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <vasa0vasa@...> wrote :

"These extraordinary detailed pictures were posted in the Early Rails yahoo group.  Was there a brand name for this type of truss rod.'


i don't see anything unusual about the truss rods, other than they decided to use steel "I" section for the needle beams, and someone decided that without the mass of a  solid wood beam, they'd better add some sway braces to keep the needle beams from tipping, or deforming. I.ve seen this before on Southern cars, so it was apparently SRR standard practice, but I don't think you will find a "brand" or design name.


Dennis Storzek


Re: Influences

Tony Thompson
 

      I was already attempting prototype modeling, but what really got my attention was Terry Metcalfe's book, Union Pacific Freight Cars, 1936-1951. I suddenly saw how this kind and amount of information could be organized and presented. It was the direct model for the car section of the PFE book and of my five volumes on SP freight cars. I still enjoy looking at Terry's book. While saying that, I regret, as I often do, that Terry is no longer with us.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Influences

Aley, Jeff A
 

For me, it was RMJ in general that was amazing.  I suppose it was Ed Hawkin’s box car articles that really got me hooked.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



Hi List Members,

 

For me, it was the multi-installment series on PRR hoppers done by John Teichmoeller in, I believe, RMJ. I never knew such a quantity of information of cars could be amassed!

 

  -  Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

To: STMFC@...

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:43 AM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

For me the seminal modeling projects were Gibb Kennedy’s Kettle Valley passenger cars and John Chapp’s B&LE Pressed Steel hopper. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:30 AM

To: STMFC@...

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 



I don't believe that John Nehrich and the RPI group get nearly enough credit for the ,"Great Awakening".Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----

To: STMFC@...

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM

 

 

I find the emergence of interest in prototype freight cars in the model railroading hobby interesting.  I came to the topic much later than many here, but can retrace the developing interest through certain key articles. 

 

I think the interesting bit to me is that I had not heard of James Lane’s articles, nor those of  Gary Rausch and Bob Johnson or Amerine until this discussion in this list.    Each of those was published in a journal that was unknown to me back in the 1970s.  I spent a few years there colleting back issue of MR and RMC, but that still didn’t give me awareness of other periodicals.  In fact, I’m not sure when I first became aware of historical societies with publications – but it would have been in the 1980s. 

 

It makes me think just how much easier it is to discovery these things today.  

 

Rob Kirkham

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Re: X29 ends - PMM

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
For me, it was the multi-installment series on PRR hoppers done by John Teichmoeller in, I believe, RMJ. I never knew such a quantity of information of cars could be amassed!
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 

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For me the seminal modeling projects were Gibb Kennedy’s Kettle Valley passenger cars and John Chapp’s B&LE Pressed Steel hopper. – Al Westerfield
 
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I don't believe that John Nehrich and the RPI group get nearly enough credit for the ,"Great Awakening".Armand Premo
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I find the emergence of interest in prototype freight cars in the model railroading hobby interesting.  I came to the topic much later than many here, but can retrace the developing interest through certain key articles. 
 
I think the interesting bit to me is that I had not heard of James Lane’s articles, nor those of  Gary Rausch and Bob Johnson or Amerine until this discussion in this list.    Each of those was published in a journal that was unknown to me back in the 1970s.  I spent a few years there colleting back issue of MR and RMC, but that still didn’t give me awareness of other periodicals.  In fact, I’m not sure when I first became aware of historical societies with publications – but it would have been in the 1980s. 
 
It makes me think just how much easier it is to discovery these things today.  
 
Rob Kirkham

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Truss Rod CNO&TP boxcar

gary laakso
 

These extraordinary detailed pictures were posted in the Early Rails yahoo group.  Was there a brand name for this type of truss rod.  I believe that it is the same as used on the Southern’s huge fleet of 36 foot long truss rod boxcars. 


Re: X29 ends - PMM

 

For me the seminal modeling projects were Gibb Kennedy’s Kettle Valley passenger cars and John Chapp’s B&LE Pressed Steel hopper. – Al Westerfield
 

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I don't believe that John Nehrich and the RPI group get nearly enough credit for the ,"Great Awakening".Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 ends - PMM
 
 

I find the emergence of interest in prototype freight cars in the model railroading hobby interesting.  I came to the topic much later than many here, but can retrace the developing interest through certain key articles. 
 
I think the interesting bit to me is that I had not heard of James Lane’s articles, nor those of  Gary Rausch and Bob Johnson or Amerine until this discussion in this list.    Each of those was published in a journal that was unknown to me back in the 1970s.  I spent a few years there colleting back issue of MR and RMC, but that still didn’t give me awareness of other periodicals.  In fact, I’m not sure when I first became aware of historical societies with publications – but it would have been in the 1980s. 
 
It makes me think just how much easier it is to discovery these things today.  
 
Rob Kirkham

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