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Re: Decal order
Dan Sweeney Jr
More than a year since he cashed my last check. I fear health problems (?)
Dan Sweeney, Jr. Alexandria, VA
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Re: Decal order
Pierre Oliver
Have you got that query on auto repeat?
:-)
Seems it shows up every month or so. And no, I'm still owed an order. Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.comOn 12/06/2014 8:30 AM, jkcummings@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Decal order
jimbojk2003
Has anyone heard from Gerald Glow? James Cummings
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Re: ERIE 95000 series roofs was RE: Painting HO Scale Brass
Tony Thompson
Al Kresse wrote:
Quite true, but the same is true of all galvanized surfaces. The problem is the zinc surface, which has a loose oxide, so that paint has nothing solid to really stick to. It has nothing to do with the method by which the steel is galvanized, whether hot-dipped or literally galvanized by electrodeposition. Treatments to alter or "remove" the zinc oxide are intended to help paint adhesion. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: ERIE 95000 series roofs was RE: Painting HO Scale Brass
water.kresse@...
Hot-dipped galvanized steel was difficult to paint. When painted it tended to peel. One of the steel companies offered a post wash treatment making the panels more-paintable.
HERE I AM MAKING AN ASSUMPTION --
Not being post processed in a stamping press, the coined or pressed and then welded steel grates would "I ASSUME" would be then dipped in a galvanizing bath . . . and could use a heavier coating of zinc like used for buckets.
Al Kresse
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Re: ERIE 95000 series roofs was RE: Painting HO Scale Brass
Schleigh Mike
Armand Premo had asked, "Speaking of painting,does anyone know the color of the roof on the Erie's 95000 40'-6" IL auto box cars?" Schuyler Larrabee and Ed Hawkins responded with details of the original build during the Dec 1941-Feb 1942 construction. Schuyler further asked the period of interest and Armand responded,
"1948-1950." For these 100 double-door cars, it now gets interesting for in 1949 the ERIE decided that these XA cars should become XM. While no obvious car details changed, apparently most, if not all, were repainted at the road's Port Jervis car shop using the then current painting and stenciling practices. The first obvious visual was the application of the now two-year old six foot diamond but roof and end treatment became the standard freight car red of the sides. Since the running board was originally galvanized steel, it would not need to
be painted but it would be at least subject to the overspray of the roof repainting. It seems logical that under the running board it could still be black in less or more degree to the proportion that attempts were made to 'shoot' through and under the running board. So, what to do? It is our choice as we will likely never see a good photo disclosing this detail. This writer, modeling post-1949, intends to paint the roof flat black then install the running board then follow with the red allowing some black to still be seen underneath. Prior
to this recent discussion, consideration was being given to modeling one or two of these cars. The seemingly obvious first choice was the RC-8500 undecorated kit but look at the ends--not enough ribs on this 10'-0" IH model--need 10'-4" and 5-5 Dreadnaught. The IMRC 40899 is the choice with a second door applied to the left. Shortcomings with this choice are the doors (Is there anything like them possessing the prototype's rib/space/seam arrangement?), the sides lacking the every-other rivet vertical rows outboard of seams (Archer rivet time!), and slight geometry differences in the 'darts' on the end. Trucks are National B with wrought-steel wheels. In XM service the ERIE 95000-95999 cars would be found all over the North American system up to the 1960 merger. Shortly thereafter the E-L sold the group to the Great Northern. Modeling the 1948-1950 time period, Armand has an interesting choice--Which way to paint? Before or after the 1949 repainting? Arcane detail regards---Mike Schleigh
On Monday, June 9, 2014 7:36 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" wrote: Thanks, Ed. I knew (and know now) that some of the ERIE’s cars were done this way, but didn’t think this was one of those series. Models done this way attract attention, as they look so different than other cars in a train. Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:47 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: ERIE 95000 series roofs was RE: [STMFC] Painting HO Scale Brass On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:42 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] wrote: Likely black, originally, when built in 1942. These had as you can see the small diamond. Larger 6’ diamond were applied not long after. When are you modeling? Schuyler and Armand, According to ACF paint specs in the bill of materials for lot 2288 (Erie 95000-95099), for new cars the roof seam caps were coated with black car cement while the rest of the roof (and running board) was unpainted galvanized steel. Sides & doors were
Pittsburgh Carhide Brown. Black (car cement) applied to the u/f and ends. Black truck side frames. White stencils with white & black Erie monogram. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: FW: Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
spsalso
If they're UN-loading them, then they likely would have already removed any protective tarps.
Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: MORE ERIE BOXCARS
water.kresse@...
Those details probably would have been covered in an Advisory Mechanical Committee (joint C&O, Erie, NKP and PM) specification.
Al Kresse
From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:21:43 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] MORE ERIE BOXCARS On Jun 11, 2014, at 11:58 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] wrote: Along with the recent discussion on Erie Boxcars can anyone tell me if the
Bill, ACF paint specs have the sides painted Sherwin-Williams freight car brown. No ACF paint sample was included in the bill of materials for this lot number (1948). Black car cement on the ends, roof, and underframe. Black trucks (side frames). The paint specs do not indicate if the Apex running boards/brake steps were to be painted or not, however, the builder's photo shows that the running boards and brake steps were not painted. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie78500adb.jpg Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: MORE ERIE BOXCARS
Ed Hawkins
On Jun 11, 2014, at 11:58 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] wrote:
Along with the recent discussion on Erie Boxcars can anyone tell me if theBill, ACF paint specs have the sides painted Sherwin-Williams freight car brown. No ACF paint sample was included in the bill of materials for this lot number (1948). Black car cement on the ends, roof, and underframe. Black trucks (side frames). The paint specs do not indicate if the Apex running boards/brake steps were to be painted or not, however, the builder's photo shows that the running boards and brake steps were not painted. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie78500adb.jpg Regards, Ed Hawkins
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FW: Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
Charlie Vlk
Here is the original post with the link. Charlie Vlk
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MORE ERIE BOXCARS
WILLIAM PARDIE
Along with the recent discussion on Erie Boxcars can anyone tell me if the
roofwalks were painted on the Boxcars in the 78500 series? These were the 40' cars with the Viking roofs. Thank you in advance. Bill Pardie
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Re: The Irony of Cyanoacrylate
Carl Gustafson
On Tue, June 10, 2014 2:37 pm, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC]
wrote: Friends,That's Arrhenius' observation - roughly, a chemical reaction (like cyanoacrylate, or casting resin curing) will double in temperature for every 10 degree centigrade rise. Or to put the opposite, it'll slow by half for every 10 degrees drop. If room temperature is about 20-25C, and your refrigerator is 0-5C, that's 2 10 degree drops, so the cure rate will drop to 1/4 of room temperature (or last 4x longer). At 30C (about 86F) it'll cure 2x faster that at 20C (68F). That holds for many (or most) chemical reactions. Carl "Tutorial" Gustafson
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Re: Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
water.kresse@...
Folks,
Was there a posted reference or link to this IMAGE?
Al Kresse
From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:45:30 AM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
Claus- Great shot! It looks to be a Caswell….note the lower end with the slanted slot for the door opening mechanism. Charlie Vlk
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Re: Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
Charlie Vlk
Claus- Great shot! It looks to be a Caswell….note the lower end with the slanted slot for the door opening mechanism. Charlie Vlk
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Re: Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
Ray Breyer
From: edb8391@... [STMFC] To: ; Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 3:19:35 AM
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Re: Lovely image of early auto loading into a CIL gon
Bill Keene pondered:
Very interesting. Hopefully the cars were wrapped after being loaded to protect them from the elements. Well, most likely no, Bill. These were open touring cars, very popular in the post WW I decades. So all they probably did after loading them was put their tops up. Seat upholstery and inside door coverings were leather. Floor mats were rubber, over replaceable, wooden floor boards in most of these cars. Fully enclosed sedans were less common in the years up to the early 1920s They were more expensive as well. Usually the enclosed autos were shipped in box cars. Shipping in box cars was also done for higher-end marques such as Durant, Packard, Lincoln, Cadillac, Chandler, Pullman (an auto maker in York PA, not related to the railroad Pullman Company), Hudson and others into the early 1920s. . So some rain or even snow would not overly harm those open touring cars being loaded by crane into a gondola. They would dry out if they got wet. Any accumulated dirt in or on them was cleaned up at the dealership before delivery to a customer. Any damage found would likewise be repaired by the dealer, before a customer saw their new car. New cars were sometimes covered with canvas shrouds when delivered by highway truck in the post WW II years from the late 1940s to early 60s.That was when 'new models' were being introduced with hyped-up secrecy and great fanfare in the Fall before their advertised model year. Once that hoopla was over, the new cars were shipped totally uncovered. Its fairly recent that new cars are now being delivered sheathed in strategically placed protective plastic sheets. Ed Bommer
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Re: The Irony of Cyanoacrylate
Andy Miller
Bill,
You’re lucky you can’t put your finger on it at the moment, because as with any ACC, you might never get your fingers apart again ;-) Regards, Andy Miller From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] The Irony of Cyanoacrylate I was not familiar with the Microscale product—available since 2011—and found this video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr81jLUdNZ8 I believe Loctite also makes a product that can be used with Engineering Plastics as well but I cannot put my hands on it the moment. Regarding my complaint about the slippery tips accumulating ACC, I am meticulous about wiping the tips clean, as well as squeezing the lower sides of the tube to encourage the ACC to receed back into the tube. The problem with buildup seems to begin about halfway into the life of tube when for whatever reason the ACC becomes harder to coax back down into the tube. I could not tell from the responses. Do the Loctite tubes have something inside the cap that minimizes buildup of residue or help keep the tip open? Bill Welch
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Re: The Irony of Cyanoacrylate
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Okay, I live where we don't know how to spell "humidy". I use Zap Thin AC which comes with a Teflon tube. Since CA cures with "humidy", I don't have a problem with CA drying at the end of the Teflon tube since it is typically pretty dry here. If it does dry (rarely), I just cut off the end of the tube. I don't attempt to even close the bottle since it isn't possible with the Teflon tube anyway.
A note: a couple of times (most recently today) I suddenly encounter a problem with CA curing but the joint being very weak. The solution...toss the old bottle even if it was still half full and substitute a fresh bottle. Jack Burgess
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Re: The Irony of Cyanoacrylate
Schuyler Larrabee
While Locktite seems to be the runaway winner here, I’ll mention that I’ve used “Gorilla Glue” ACC to build steam era freight cars with great success.
Schuyler
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:22 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] The Irony of Cyanoacrylate
Bill,
Yes, the Loctite cap appears to help to keep the tube open. I have not experienced any clogs with Loctite ACC.
Regards,
-Jeff
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
I was not familiar with the Microscale product—available since 2011—and found this video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr81jLUdNZ8
I believe Loctite also makes a product that can be used with Engineering Plastics as well but I cannot put my hands on it the moment.
Regarding my complaint about the slippery tips accumulating ACC, I am meticulous about wiping the tips clean, as well as squeezing the lower sides of the tube to encourage the ACC to receed back into the tube. The problem with buildup seems to begin about halfway into the life of tube when for whatever reason the ACC becomes harder to coax back down into the tube.
I could not tell from the responses. Do the Loctite tubes have something inside the cap that minimizes buildup of residue or help keep the tip open?
Bill Welch
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Re: MIG Productions
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
I've used their products to add texture to the side of rail such as mud, rust, etc. Oh yeah, that was O scale track...
Jack Burgess
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