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Scalecoat touchup pens

ed_mines
 

 Anyone have experience with these to paint wire grab irons (phosphor bronze) substituted in plastic kits

(Red Caboose)?

 

Did you use ScalecoatI or II? Flat or gloss?

 

What about Testors enamels?

 

Ed Mines


Re: Z-bracing

clipper841@att.net <clipper841@...>
 

a fellow member down in florida, suggested coating wood shapes with the thin ca (pink),
allegedly to give it extra strength?, not sure of the logic, but assume it might help in
the mold casting process?
mel perry

On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:04 PM, chuck chuck.cover@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi Dick,

For scale 3" z-brace ribs, I used Northeastern Scale Lumber 1/32" angles and 1" x 3"
strip styrene.  These were used to kit-bash an HO PRR H33 covered hopper car (TKM, No. 47, June 2007, p20).  The wood angle was used as the bottom of the Z, one side flat against the car side, the other vertical.  The 1" x 3" styrene strip was applied at the edge of the vertical making the "Z".  ACC was used to apply the structural shapes. 

I have also used Northeastern Scale Lumber "small" angles for other projects and have found them a good stand-in for HO scale structural steel.

Good luck,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM



Re: Z-bracing

Chuck Cover
 

Hi Dick,

For scale 3" z-brace ribs, I used Northeastern Scale Lumber 1/32" angles and 1" x 3"
strip styrene.  These were used to kit-bash an HO PRR H33 covered hopper car (TKM, No. 47, June 2007, p20).  The wood angle was used as the bottom of the Z, one side flat against the car side, the other vertical.  The 1" x 3" styrene strip was applied at the edge of the vertical making the "Z".  ACC was used to apply the structural shapes. 

I have also used Northeastern Scale Lumber "small" angles for other projects and have found them a good stand-in for HO scale structural steel.

Good luck,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Z-bracing

Dennis Storzek
 

Not sure I agree with those size recommendations. .010" is too thick for the flange against the sheathing; the thickness of the prototype is only about 3/8", and .005 styrene is more in keeping with a scale reduction. Back when I was building patterns the only .005 material was  clear, which was a pain to work with, so I tended to mill a slot .005 deep through the "boards" and use .010 material, which took rivet impressions much better. It also allowed the use of individual grained strips of irregular thickness, and ensured there would be no gaps under the "Z" flange.

The .005 slot also allowed me to use .030 x .040 strip for the rest of the Z, which would then protrude .035. Prototype car posts tend to be 3" Z, which scale to .034. I didn't bother to try to reproduce the overhanging flange, but a combination of .020 x .030 capped with .010 x .030 could be substituted, but you will need to mill smaller slots.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Z-bracing

John Barry
 



  Al,

I am trying to confirm my understanding of the technique.  May I restate what I think I have read?  Building up from the car side would be the .010 x .030 base with the .020 x .020 to the free air side.  This would yield a solid stair step of .010, .020 on one long edge with a .030 drop back to the car surface on the other and no undercut to get snapped off coming out of the mold.  For one offs, the other technique of laminating an actual Z shape might be more to scale, but is less reproducible with current rubber molds and cast resin.

What did you use for hat section bracing on your masters? 
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


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Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Z-bracing

 
That was my standard procedure. – Al Westerfield
 


Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Z-bracing
 
 
If making Z-sections as part of a freight car side to be copied and reproduced in resin, I should have also said to use Bruce Smith's method and use .020 x .020 styrene with .010 x .030 laid down on it. This will make a sturdy brace with the perception of depth yet the undercut will not present a problem during the casting.
 
Bill Welch



Re: Z-bracing

 

That was my standard procedure. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Z-bracing
 
 

If making Z-sections as part of a freight car side to be copied and reproduced in resin, I should have also said to use Bruce Smith's method and use .020 x .020 styrene with .010 x .030 laid down on it. This will make a sturdy brace with the perception of depth yet the undercut will not present a problem during the casting.

 
Bill Welch


Re: Z-bracing

Bill Welch
 

If making Z-sections as part of a freight car side to be copied and reproduced in resin, I should have also said to use Bruce Smith's method and use .020 x .020 styrene with .010 x .030 laid down on it. This will make a sturdy brace with the perception of depth yet the undercut will not present a problem during the casting.

Bill Welch


Re: C, St P., M & O 20700 approximately 1917. Binghamton NY

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Since there was a partial legible builder's date, I had to look CM&O 20700 up: built Pullman 4-99 lot C2404, series 20000e20998. The relatively simple double board roof is clearly visible.
 
Eric N.
 
 

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-15-14/C4616.jpg

Somebody here will likely want to see this.

Interesting trackwork off to the left.  Note the frogs on the main and the siding which are directly opposite each other.

Schuyler


Re: Z-bracing

Bill Welch
 

If that is the case consider making one end, one side, etc as patterns and offer them to one of the sellers of resin kits.
Bill Welch


Re: Tahoe MW freight Trucks less wheels

Paul LaCiura <paullaciura@...>
 

Hi Andy,

Forgot to get on board this.............do you have any trucks left?

I would like one of each if possible.

Thanks,

Paul


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 




Hello-
I have good quantities of all 14 of the Tahoe Model Works trucks. All of these are offered LESS wheel sets. Suitable wheels are: NWSL; Proto 2000; Kadee; Rebox; Intermountain and others.

#001 Dalman 2-level w/o Lateral Motion device
#002 Dalman 2-level with Lateral Motion device
#003 40-50 ton Arch Bar 5'6" wheelbase
#004 Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose
#005 Barber-Bettendorf swing Motion Caboose truck
#006 Buckeye cast steel truck w/ spring plank
#007 Double truss cast steel spring-plankless
#008 Coil-Elliptic spring cast steel truck
#009 Barber Lateral Motion
#010 ASF 70-ton A3 ride control
#011 Short Wheelbase (5'0") old-time Arch Ba
r#012 USRA Andrews#013 Barber S2 w/ spring plank
#014 Scullin 40-ton w/ spring plank

All are priced at $4.50/pair, less wheel sets. Shipping of $2.85 for one or more pairs by 1st class USPS. I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee, I can accept PayPal.

For questions and orders, please contact me off-line @ <midcentury@...>
Thanks, -Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Re: NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399

Scott Pitzer
 

The attachment didn't get stripped; my mailbox is now full (and Earthlink is having technical difficulties which are preventing me from deleting the msg and freeing up space.)
Scott Pitzer



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Subject: Re: [STMFC] NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399
From: "Richard Hendrickson rhendrickson@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
CC: Re: [STMFC] NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399


 

On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:34 PM, 'Brian Carlson' prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I never received any replies but if anyone has New Haven ORER in 55 and 56 could I get a scan? 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Here you are, Brian.

Richard Hendrickson




Re: NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:22 PM, 'Brian Carlson' prrk41361@yahoo.com
[STMFC] wrote:

Thanks Richard. There were 10 in January 1954 still in TOFC service
and by November 1954 (shared by you) they were all listed as FM’s again.

In May 1950 there were over 40 converted (I stopped counting)

Therefore, for my August 1957 layout my Intermountain model of 17317
will be fine as a flat car.
Brian,
The July 1957 ORER lists NH 17300-17399 exactly as in Richard's copy
from 1954, 100 cars in service with no cars noted as being equipped for
any type of special service.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Richard. There were 10 in January 1954 still in TOFC service and by November 1954 (shared by you) they were all listed as FM’s again.

In May 1950 there were over 40 converted (I stopped counting)

 

Therefore, for my August 1957 layout my Intermountain model of 17317 will be fine as a flat car.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 


Re: NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:34 PM, 'Brian Carlson' prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I never received any replies but if anyone has New Haven ORER in 55 and 56 could I get a scan? 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Here you are, Brian.

Richard Hendrickson




Re: Swift meat reefer

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 14, 2014, at 7:55 PM, rob.mclear3@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi to all can anyone please advise what colour the sides of an early Swift meat reefer should be painted is it yellow or orange.   I only have access to floquil paints so if you can let me know which is closest I would appreciate it thanks.
Rob, before they adopted red, Swift reefers had the sides painted a yellow-orange color very similar to that used on PFE and SFRD cars.  A slightly lighter color than Daylight Orange would be just about right.  I no longer have a Floquil color chart, but you may have to mix yellow and orange to get the color you want.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: New Haven Flats. 17300-17399

rhammill
 

I can't help you with the '55 or '56, but they definitely changed over the years.

May 1, 1950 ORER - 17300 series equipped to carry trailers
17301
17303
17305
17307
17310
17311
17314
17316 to 17319
17322
17323
17326
17327
17329
17330
17333
17336
17337
17339
17340
17342
17348
17351
17355
17358
17359
17360
17362
17364 to 17367
17369
17371 to 17374
17376
17377
17380 to 17384
17387 to 17390
17392 to 17396

10-1947 ORER
17316
17318
17362
17367
17384
17396

Somewhere I have the 1951 one ORER as well. But I think that based on the fact that much fewer are equipped in 1954, and that they aren't mentioned at all in your 1957 ORER that they were in fact all converted back by that time.

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 | http://newbritainstation.com
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NEW HAVEN ORER Help was New Haven Flats. 17300-17399

Brian Carlson
 

I never received any replies but if anyone has New Haven ORER in 55 and 56 could I get a scan? 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 


Re: C, St P., M & O 20700 approximately 1917. Binghamton NY

John Pautz
 

Also there are no tie plates to be seen.

John F. Pautz
American Switch & Signal
P:48 frack components


Re: C, St P., M & O 20700 approximately 1917. Binghamton NY

Bruce Smith
 

Other interesting details include several telephone poles that are anything but straight and the broken window at the top of an otherwise pretty nicely maintained Scranton Coal building.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] C, St P., M & O 20700 approximately 1917. Binghamton NY



http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-15-14/C4616.jpg

 

Somebody here will likely want to see this.

 

Interesting trackwork off to the left.  Note the frogs on the main and the siding which are directly opposite each other.

 

Schuyler




C, St P., M & O 20700 approximately 1917. Binghamton NY

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-15-14/C4616.jpg

 

Somebody here will likely want to see this.

 

Interesting trackwork off to the left.  Note the frogs on the main and the siding which are directly opposite each other.

 

Schuyler

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