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Re: Steamtown Images

Ray Breyer
 

Can someone share a URL for direct access the Steamtown image collection?
Probably I missed something but could not find a link on the Steamtown website.
Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Hi Eric,


As far as I know, the entire collection is being posted to the EL list, five a day.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

Ray Breyer
 

That's the ratchet mechanism you're seeing Schuyler. We're used to seeing that sort of thing on the brake platform, which this car doesn't have.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

On that SOO Line car . . . there appears to be a crank integral with the stand-off that supports the vertical staff for the brakewheel . . .  but there’s no confirming shadow.  Is that what I’m seeing, or is it a feature of the board behind there?
 Schuyler
 


Re: Steamy Era Freight Car

Armand Premo
 


Gentlemen all ,Vargas drew for Esquire, Playboy's predecessor.A generational thing you know. A.Premo

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steamy Era Freight Car

 

Just a thought about the Vargas car: Is it possible that those who would
purchase such a car have a focus unconcerned with accurate dimensional
data for a box car?

Tom Baker

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Re: Steamy Era Freight Car

Thomas Baker
 

Just a thought about the Vargas car: Is it possible that those who would purchase such a car have a focus unconcerned with accurate dimensional data for a box car?

Tom Baker

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Re: Steamy Era Freight Car

cptracks
 

Playboy Club maybe. That's who Vargas drew for
 
Colin Riley



On Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:33:14 PM, "edb8391@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Not prototypical!  Dimensional data is all wrong. EXW is at least 36 if not 42 ;-)
 
John Barry

Ah, John!
I do think you meant IL for that ?

Ed Bommer



Re: Steamy Era Freight Car

Edward
 

Not prototypical!  Dimensional data is all wrong. EXW is at least 36 if not 42 ;-)
 
John Barry

Ah, John!
I do think you meant IL for that ?

Ed Bommer


Re: Steamy Era Freight Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Johnson asked:
"Branchline produced this?  For a club?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-1-87-ULTRA-RARE-Branchline-Kit-Box-Car-VARGAS-THE-LEGACY-NUDES-SEA-SHELLS-/181441743607?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2a3ec54af7

Sure.  Don't forget Branchline was a custom decorator before they started manufacturing rolling stock kits.

$49.95?  I need to find my WWII nose art decals.


Ben Hom


Re: Steamy Era Freight Car

John Barry
 

Not prototypical!  Dimensional data is all wrong. EXW is at least 36 if not 42 ;-)
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "'Steven D Johnson' tenncentralrwy@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Steamy Era Freight Car


Steamy Era Freight Car

Steven D Johnson
 


Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On that SOO Line car . . . there appears to be a crank integral with the stand-off that supports the vertical staff for the brakewheel . . .  but there’s no confirming shadow.  Is that what I’m seeing, or is it a feature of the board behind there?

 

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:41 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

 

 

Thanks for posting the link to this photo. The next in the sequence (click "Next Image" below photo) has a better shot of SP 85753 and also includes SOO 19764. I hazard that what appears to be lumber in the open doorway of SP 85753 are actually three grain boards. The wood item leaning against the car would then be a fourth, smaller, upper one. That image also shows SP 85753 to have a "what do we have in the junk pile to patch that hole in the end" repair.


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL

 

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:20 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-21-14/C4648.jpg

Another freight car incidentally caught by the DL&W's photographer - 1918.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:17 PM
To: EL List
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

At 07:18 AM 6/21/2014, McKnight, Richard wrote:
>http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-21-14
>
>C4648--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley tracks
>[1918.xx.xx] C4649--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley
>tracks [1918.xx.xx]

The boxcar carrying a lumber load being inspected by the 3 gentlemen with a
ladder is:
SP 85753 - Harriman Class B-50-1, built by AC&F-Detroit, October 1904
Ref: Southern Pacific Freight Cars - Vol. 4 - Tony Thompson, Signature Press
(p102)

N.B. In HO... this would be Westerfield #1701...

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Re: What happened to the B end of SP 85753?

Charles Peck
 

Admittedly I wasn't there when it happened, but I would hazard a guess that a load shifted
and burst through the end of the car.  A temporary patch was made along the way.
Probably a bad order ticket was made to get the car repaired before reloading.
OR, we can suppose that the SP just liked their cars to have a rustic and well used look. 
Chuck Peck


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:54 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for pointing this picture out Eric and Schuyler but what on earth happened to the B end of SP 85753?  Smuggling irregular cut wood across state lines? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 



Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Box car ends and roofs were the source of many headaches. SP 85753 is a nice example of the former. It was built by ACF in 1904. The end sill is very similar to early PSC designs. It makes me wonder if PSC was still supplying materials to ACF at this late date. They certainly were in late 1901 when P&R class XMg was built.
 
Eric N.
 

Thanks for posting the link to this photo. The next in the sequence (click "Next Image" below photo) has a better shot of SP 85753 and also includes SOO 19764. I hazard that what appears to be lumber in the open doorway of SP 85753 are actually three grain boards. The wood item leaning against the car would then be a fourth, smaller, upper one. That image also shows SP 85753 to have a "what do we have in the junk pile to patch that hole in the end" repair.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:20 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-21-14/C4648.jpg

Another freight car incidentally caught by the DL&W's photographer - 1918.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:17 PM
To: EL List
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

At 07:18 AM 6/21/2014, McKnight, Richard wrote:
>http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-21-14
>
>C4648--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley tracks
>[1918.xx.xx] C4649--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley
>tracks [1918.xx.xx]

The boxcar carrying a lumber load being inspected by the 3 gentlemen with a
ladder is:
SP 85753 - Harriman Class B-50-1, built by AC&F-Detroit, October 1904
Ref: Southern Pacific Freight Cars - Vol. 4 - Tony Thompson, Signature Press
(p102)

N.B. In HO... this would be Westerfield #1701...

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What happened to the B end of SP 85753?

gary laakso
 

Thanks for pointing this picture out Eric and Schuyler but what on earth happened to the B end of SP 85753?  Smuggling irregular cut wood across state lines? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 


Re: Tropicana in the 1950s

caboose9792@aol.com <caboose9792@...>
 

Don i agree the only potental savings would be for juce frozen at florda and kept frozen in nj for the offseason. Yes i did drink caned oj it was better than instant tea that my folks liked to drink.

mark rickert
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Sent: 6/20/2014 7:26 pm
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tropicana in the 1950s

Com'on Bruce, Guess I missed any mention Bill made of the concentrate being shipped frozen. That, however, seem like quite a waste of corporate funds. And what does distance have to do with it? Milk was shipped in GPEX milk tank cars from Wisconsin to Florida in the 1920's, taking far more time than the average milk train to Boston, New York or Chicago took, and changed only a degree or two in temperature over the entire journey. If it could be done with milk it could be done with OJ and was for a number of years WITHOUT refrigeration. I'm surprised Tropicana survived such a waste of corporate funds and wonder what their bottom line would have looked like without such a waste. They apparently took little note of what others had already done. Cordially, Don Valentine


Steamtown Images

Eric Lombard
 

Can someone share a URL for direct access the Steamtown image collection? Probably I missed something but could not find a link on the Steamtown website.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL



Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for posting the link to this photo. The next in the sequence (click "Next Image" below photo) has a better shot of SP 85753 and also includes SOO 19764. I hazard that what appears to be lumber in the open doorway of SP 85753 are actually three grain boards. The wood item leaning against the car would then be a fourth, smaller, upper one. That image also shows SP 85753 to have a "what do we have in the junk pile to patch that hole in the end" repair.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:20 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-21-14/C4648.jpg

Another freight car incidentally caught by the DL&W's photographer - 1918.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:17 PM
To: EL List
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

At 07:18 AM 6/21/2014, McKnight, Richard wrote:
>http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-21-14
>
>C4648--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley tracks
>[1918.xx.xx] C4649--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley
>tracks [1918.xx.xx]

The boxcar carrying a lumber load being inspected by the 3 gentlemen with a
ladder is:
SP 85753 - Harriman Class B-50-1, built by AC&F-Detroit, October 1904
Ref: Southern Pacific Freight Cars - Vol. 4 - Tony Thompson, Signature Press
(p102)

N.B. In HO... this would be Westerfield #1701...

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Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

paul.doggett2472@...
 

What a great photo  thank you for sharing


Paul Doggett UK


FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-21-14/C4648.jpg

Another freight car incidentally caught by the DL&W's photographer - 1918.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:17 PM
To: EL List
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)

At 07:18 AM 6/21/2014, McKnight, Richard wrote:
http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-21-14

C4648--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley tracks
[1918.xx.xx] C4649--Unknown location--Boxcars next to dual trolley
tracks [1918.xx.xx]
The boxcar carrying a lumber load being inspected by the 3 gentlemen with a
ladder is:
SP 85753 - Harriman Class B-50-1, built by AC&F-Detroit, October 1904
Ref: Southern Pacific Freight Cars - Vol. 4 - Tony Thompson, Signature Press
(p102)

N.B. In HO... this would be Westerfield #1701...


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Re: CB&Q mill gons

Dave Sarther
 

Rupert,
 
Thanks for filling in some of the blanks.  Any ideas about the extended height on the inside of the sides of #82253 in the Holbrook photo from Spoor p. 89?
 
Later,  Dave Sarther
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, Jun 21, 2014 3:34 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q mill gons

 
Gary

Additional to Dave’s notes, 82000-82199 were built in1951 at Havelock as GM-4 and had the same dimensions as the later GM-4A.
 
82200-82549 and 82550-83139 were class GM-4A built at Havelock in 1955 and 1957-8 respectively.  82346-82355 had wooden flooring for the Atomic Energy Commission instead of a nailable steel floor.  26 GM-4A’s were rebuilt in 1959-60 with sides and ends 12 inches higher (now 4’ 6”) and removable sectional roofs, and were reclassed GM-4C.  82200-82239 (except 82219 and 82223) were rebuilt in 1968 with the sides and ends raised 2”.

A further 10 cars 23150-23159 classed GM-4B were built in 1957-8 with 4’ 6” sides, with removable sectional roofs.
 
You could also look for photos of two other classes of cars to help you – GM-4D 83150-83249 and GM-4F 83250-83299 built in 1959 and 1962 respectively – that were identical to the GM-4A but with the higher 4’ 6” sides similar to the GM-4C’s.
 
If you want the construction appearance as opposed to the paint scheme, a large number of GM-4’s and GM-4A’s made it to BN, number series 566200-566399, 574600-574639, 556700-556774, 558000-558003, and 575800-575814.
 
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2014 7:56 a.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Good Book on Gon. from the 50's
 



Gary,
 
The closest ORER I have to the year 1958 that shows that car series is a 1964 ORER. 
  • The earlier ORER I have from 1955 doesn't show that series of cars existed at the time that the info was sent by the CB&Q to ORER.  It only lists the #82000-82199 gondola series cars which were drop end, steel bottom gondolas. 
  • The 1964 ORER shows that series #82200-83139 were steel side cars with solid ends and steel floors.  These cars were 52' 6" long, 9' 6"wide and 3' 6" high inside.  Outside they were 55' 1" long and 10' 4" wide and 7' 4" at the extreme outside height (whale belly center).  In 1964 there were still 200 cars from the series on the roster. 
  • Note "O" from that 1964 ORER explains that individual numbers are specifically equipped with removable sectional roofs and differ in dimensions and capacity from other cars in the same series.  These cars are #'s: 82297, 82471, 82571, 83006,83105, 83112, 83115 and 83125.
 
For photos I found one of a well used CB&Q  #82253 by Dan Holbrook taken at Congress Park along the "Q" triple track main line in Mike Spoor's book CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment on page 89.  The caption reads: " On July 5, 1975 CB&Q #82253 rolls past the passenger shelter at Congress Park. It was built in 1955 at Havelock as one of 350 Class GM-4A gondolas (#82200- #82594)  with solid ends, an inside length of 52' 6" and a capacity of 1,761 cu ft." 
 
This photo in Spoor's book shows #82253 with an interesting insert but it is not described as one of the group with a roof from Note O described above.  Perhaps someone else from the list has more info about what is shown inside #82253.
 
I would also suggest a search for CB&Q #82253 or any other number from the #82200-83139 series cars on Google:  www.rrpicturearchives.net  or  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2349724
 
Later,  Dave Sarther
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: GARY garywildu@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc <stmfc@...>
Sent: Sat, Jun 21, 2014 9:16 am
Subject: [STMFC] Good Book on Gon. from the 50's
 
Look for a book or  photo's on gon's in the 50"s .Namely CB&Q 82200 , NYC 705000, Soo 7501, IBH 6000 etc. series car. I have a list of about 10 different railroad to try and find. Trying to match car numbers with photo's so I can find models of these car to add to my 1958 car fleet. Car are off a dispatcher sheet's from 58 hot box report. Thanks for any help on where to look for this.
Gary



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Brad Andonian
 

Does anyone have an extra copy of Vol 4 #2,3&4 detailing NYC boxcars?

Thanks,
Brad Andonian

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