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Re: Mopac versus Wabash wood caboose

asychis@...
 

Almost duplicates.  Since these are laser kits, any details specific to the Wabash could easily be added.  Maybe Wabash authority Gary Roe will chime in.
 
Jerry Michels


Re: Tangent Scale Models GA 6,000 Gal. 3-Comp. Tank Car MPCX

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:38 AM, gary roe wabashrr@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


David,

How late could one reasonably expect to find a car painted in this scheme?

Gary, the MPCX billboard scheme remained current during the 1930s but was dropped early in WW II in favor of reporting marks, numbers, and data only.  It’s likely that at least some MPCX cars lasted in the earlier P/L scheme through WW II and into the late 1940s, though they would - of course - have grown increasingly grimy with the passage of time.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Tangent Scale Models GA 6,000 Gal. 3-Comp. Tank Car

Gary Roe
 

David,

How late could one reasonably expect to find a car painted in this scheme?

Thanks!

gary roe
quincy, illinois


From: "tangentscalemodels@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Tangent Scale Models GA 6,000 Gal. 3-Comp. Tank Car

 

- MPCX (Magnolia Petroleum Company) in the bright “original black and silver 1935” scheme.  Magnolia purchased a series of these cars from General American’s Sharon PA plant in 1935.  These eye-catching cars are available in three road numbers.
 
David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models - “Unparalleled scale replicas for discriminating railroad modelers”
PO Box 6514
Asheville NC 28816
828-279-6106




Tangent Scale Models GA 6,000 Gal. 3-Comp. Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our second production of our industry-leading General American 3-compartment 6,000 gallon tank car.  General American produced the 6,000 gallon 3 compartment tank car on the “Type 30” riveted underframe from 1928 to 1942 at their Sharon PA factory.  While General American constructed many different tank designs, one of the more common derivations was this 6,000 gallon car.  The three compartment design allowed consignees to receive up to three different grades of products, such as oils or chemicals.  This was important in manufacturing facilities for example, where multiple lubricating oil types could be received in smaller quantities, but within one car. Chemical shippers also gravitated to these cars to ship different products to a common receiver. 

 

This is NOT a pre-order announcement.  Our NEW Ready to Run replicas are available NOW at www.tangentscalemodels.com and we will be selling these at the National Train Show in three weeks!  Our second production of these tank cars includes RTR schemes good for modelers between 1929 and the 1980s.  These schemes include:

 

- STCX (Standard Tank Car Company) in the “black lease 1930+” scheme from May 1930.  General American purchased Standard Tank Car Company when it went bankrupt in 1928, and General American retained the STCX reporting mark for lease fleet cars.  Our STCX model is a general service lease car that is applicable across North America in the 1930s and early 1940s, and is available in three NEW road numbers for 2014.

- MPCX (Magnolia Petroleum Company) in the bright “original black and silver 1935” scheme.  Magnolia purchased a series of these cars from General American’s Sharon PA plant in 1935.  These eye-catching cars are available in three road numbers.

- GATX (General American Transportation) in the sought-after “black lease 1941+” scheme.  This GATX black lease scheme represents a general lease car in service beginning in 1941.  It is available in three road numbers.

- GATX (General American Transportation) in the striking “black lease 1958+” scheme with a 2-58 paint date on the side of the car.  This GATX black lease scheme represents a car that was in service between 1958 and 1968, and is available in three NEW road numbers for 2014.

- GATX (General American Transportation) in the striking “black lease 1968+” scheme with a 8-68 paint date on the side of the car, which is right off of a prototype photo of a car taken in 1974!  Yes, these cars really lasted in service that long, complete with ACI labels!  This GATX black lease scheme represents a car that was in service after 1968, and is available in three NEW road numbers for 2014.

- HHCX (Champlin Refining Company, Enid OK) in the striking white scheme painted in 1952 with Enid OK proudly painted on the tank body.  These cars were repainted into a very attractive black and white paint scheme, with sharp dark blue and black lettering and a distinctive red and white logo.  This very attractive car is available in three road numbers.

- GATX (“Celanese Chemicals”) lease scheme, painted by Sharon PA GATC in 1952.  These sharp green cars with red and white graphics were assigned to chemical service for Celanese, and the Tangent Scale Models green replica is available in three NEW road numbers for 2014.

- D & H "Company Service" (Delaware and Hudson) in the former GATX black scheme.  This car was restenciled in 1972 for Delaware & Hudson MOW service.  The prototype car has been documented both in trains and in locomotive servicing facilities.  This car is available in one road-number to match the prototype car.  See our website for prototype reference photos. We are proud to offer our first D&H model!

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling!

- Undecorated Kits have been restocked!

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Fully riveted body

- Fully riveted underframe

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- Heater line and outlet drain details, including correct side profile between tank and underframe when viewing the car from the side

- Full “lacy” AB brake detail and air line

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous and route placards

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement

- Accurate lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Road-specific brakewheels for each scheme

- Other Lacy details - wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 6,000 Gallon tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car is tiny in size and will stand out extremely well on any layout situated from the 1930s to the 1980s!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach

Tangent Scale Models - “Unparalleled scale replicas for discriminating railroad modelers”

www.tangentscalemodels.com

tangentscalemodels@...

PO Box 6514

Asheville NC 28816

828-279-6106



Re: more freight cars from the far past

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Dennis,

 

     Call them what you will, the y took me by surprise. I think of such things

as being largely European, much like what I see used in Russia or Ukraine

whenever Tanya and I go back to her home in Russia, which we have kept,

and what was seen last fall from Munich to Budapest, though rail clips seem

to be more common with concrete ties. Just how much use of these "screw

spikes" was made in North America? sort of reminds me of the Belfast &

Moosehead Lake in Maine which uses butt joints. That is joints side-by-side

in both rails rather than staggered.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Mopac versus Wabash wood caboose

reporterllc
 

How close are these Mopac cars to the Wabash 2600 serices?

 

http://www.lakejunctionmodels.com/Caboose.html

 

 

Victor Baird

www.erstwhilepublications.com

Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: New CNWHS Modeler

John Larkin
 

Hi Ron,
     Thanks for the news on the C&NWHS modeling issue.  Got the mainline modelers today, came back early from working at the farm because one of our helpers (daughter's boyfriend, 19 years old and in good shape) had an early dinner with his godmother tonight.  His mom died from cancer about 3 weeks ago and we're all trying to keep him and his dad busy so they don't dwell on it too much.  Really good kid, going into his sophomore year at Marquette in Milwaukee this fall (Amtrak from Omaha!).  We're trying to clean up the front, get rid of half-buried barbed wire, nuisance trees, etc., all hot and sweaty but today was in the low 80's, relatively low humidity, not bad at all - but I still  need a shower! 

Thanks,

John


On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:51 PM, "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Another well done magazine Ron!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



Re: New CNWHS Modeler

Clark Propst
 

Another well done magazine Ron!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: more freight cars from the far past

Dennis Storzek
 

Screw spikes, Don

Dennis


Re: more freight cars from the far past

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Of equal interest is the track in the second photo. Note the full use of tie plates but

rail held in place with BOLTS, not spikes!!!!

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: more freight cars from the far past

Riverboy
 

I like looking closely at old photos like these. In the first photo, the Illinois Central box car has a little bit of a sag in it, while the Southern car right behind it has a very slight arch to it. The rest of the cars appear to be straight.

Tod (Ohio)
 
 


On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:42 PM, "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I love the saggy cars in both photos. There really IS a prototype for those
John Allen cars.
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:29 PM, O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
Check out the ACL truss rod vent box in the second photo.

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...




Re: more freight cars from the far past

Charles Peck
 

I love the saggy cars in both photos. There really IS a prototype for those
John Allen cars.
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:29 PM, O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Check out the ACL truss rod vent box in the second photo.

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...



Re: more freight cars from the far past

O Fenton Wells
 

Check out the ACL truss rod vent box in the second photo.

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


New CNWHS Modeler

ron christensen
 

A new CNWHS Modeler Volume #7, Issue #2

Can be found on the web site.

http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm

In This Issue:

• Scratch building M&StL (GATC leased) Stock Cars

• Building a 1970s Grain Boxcar Fleet – Part 3

• Modeling a Chicago & North Western Class J-S Part 4

• Installing DCC and Sound in a CNW Alco S-1

• Some Lettering Variations On Chicago Great Western Steam

Locomotives

Ron Christensen



Re: Southern Car & Foundry

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Yes, I had. It is consistent with various notes I found in trade publications with one importat addition. The USRS Anniston plant became part of SC&F during 1899 meaning that SC&F quicky gained control of all Southern car builders, not just all except one.
 

Eric, very likely you have seen this link, but just in case here it is. Doesn't mention PSC but is generally along the lines of your outline and has references

http://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/southerncarfoundry.htm


Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 8:38 AM, 'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

It just hit me. Circumstantial evidence suggests that Southern Car & Foundry (1988-1904) was controlled by the same interests as Pressed Steel Car. Has anyone else come to this conclusion? Their Memphis plant apparently went to ACF and their Lenoir plant to Southern Railway. In 2-02, SC&F was building a new plant in Alabama to manufacture pressed steel cars which now makes complete sense
 
Eric.



more freight cars from the far past

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-24-14/C4664.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-24-14/C4665.jpg

 

Bob Bahrs, one of the erielack experts (principally on the DL&W) provides these notes:

 

C4664 & C4665 Mr Bunnell has moved seven miles east to a little east of

Johnson City, NY at MP 193.   C4664  looks east and C4665 looks west.

This of course is still in the

area where the Erie and Lackawanna were right alongside each other.

 

The photo is on the Lackawanna tracks, and the train of freight cars adjacent is on the ERIE.  You freightcarologists will be kicking yourselves that you cannot walk along the line photographing each and every one of those cars.  Maybe in particular “Atlantic Coast Despatch” ACL 23215.  I know I am.

 

 

Schuyler


Re: Southern Car & Foundry

Eric Lombard
 

Eric, very likely you have seen this link, but just in case here it is. Doesn't mention PSC but is generally along the lines of your outline and has references

http://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/southerncarfoundry.htm


Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 8:38 AM, 'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

It just hit me. Circumstantial evidence suggests that Southern Car & Foundry (1988-1904) was controlled by the same interests as Pressed Steel Car. Has anyone else come to this conclusion? Their Memphis plant apparently went to ACF and their Lenoir plant to Southern Railway. In 2-02, SC&F was building a new plant in Alabama to manufacture pressed steel cars which now makes complete sense
 
Eric.



Southern Car & Foundry

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

It just hit me. Circumstantial evidence suggests that Southern Car & Foundry (1988-1904) was controlled by the same interests as Pressed Steel Car. Has anyone else come to this conclusion? Their Memphis plant apparently went to ACF and their Lenoir plant to Southern Railway. In 2-02, SC&F was building a new plant in Alabama to manufacture pressed steel cars which now makes complete sense
 
Eric.


Re: Steamtown Images

Eric Lombard
 

Mike and Schuyler -
Thank you for sharing the information on the current process and future plans for the Steamtown images. It all makes good sense to me and I really appreciate, as I'm sure we all do, the time and effort being put into making the images available by both Patrick McKnight at the NPS and the fellows at the EL discussion list.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:06 PM, MDelvec952@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



All,

The Steamtown collection is a great resource, and it's huge. The goal is to make the entire collection public somehow. There is an NPS portal through which some of the images are being added, and when it's ready to go public it will be announced.

The person most responsible for the collection, and has done an incredible job or organizing the volunteers and interns who have scanned more than 20k glass-plate-negatives, and cataloging more than an acre of file boxes, more than 100,000 rolled maps and drawings, years of train dispatcher sheets, is Steamtown historian Pat McKnight, at Pat_McKnight@....  This project that Pat has led and cultivated for several years is historically priceless. And collections have attracted other collections which has created perhaps the biggest accumulation of late 19th and early 20th Century business records available. The personal coorespondence of Sam Sloan and William Truesdale are among the DL&W stuff. Sloan had been president, officer or principle of more than 30 railroads during his life, from the Lackawanna in the East to a component of the Green Bay & Western. Sloan, Iowa, was named for him. If ever there was a subject for book-like treatise.

Please don't think or perpetuate any thinking that NPS has chosen the EL group as an outlet. Officially, the NPS will make the collection public. The EL list contains the largest concentration of Lackawanna and Erie historians and former employees available, so Historian McKnight on his own time shares five images daily so that this body of experts can opine and help identify the locations of the images. The feedback that comes from the list is added to the NPS database and spread sheets, information that will outlast all of us. The images are primarily to document construction or injury scenes, so the inclusion of freight equipment is usually incidental unless the injury occurred on the equipment.

While it's not currently easy to handle requests for images, be patient, as public display of this archive is a high priority. The Erielack archive link posted in another note should whet the whistle for those interested in the 1908-WWI-era freight cars.

Hope this helps                  ....Mike Del Vecchio

President, Tri-State Chapter NRHS (one of the groups supplying volunteers and a big part of the DL&W archive material now housed at Steamtown)







-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Lombard elombard@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sun, Jun 22, 2014 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steamtown Images

 
Thanks, Ray... I wonder that it appears as if the NPS has selected the EL list as a publication site. Seams a bit odd to me. Nothing against the EL, but my experience is that government organizations generally curate and make available their holdings via their own publication process.  I have emailed the curator at Steamtown whose name is on the photos to see if there is a way to directly access the collection. Also pinged my daughter who is an NPS ranger at Grand Canyon to see if she can find out. Eric

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
>>Can someone share a URL for direct access the Steamtown image collection?

>>Probably I missed something but could not find a link on the Steamtown website.
>Eric Lombard
>Homewood, IL

Hi Eric,

As far as I know, the entire collection is being posted to the EL list, five a day.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




Re: Tropicana in the 1950s

Guy Wilber
 

FGE Bill wrote:
 
"While they were effective at maintaining low temperatures, the power plants were fueled by gasoline meaning that they could only run on the FGE/WFE/BRE System including their contracted lines, as the RR's outside the system would not accept them for interchange because of the fuel  they used."
 
 
Bill,
 
 This was a provision of the Interchange Rules which gave the receiving roads the discretion to accept the cars in interchange (or not), so there may well have been some acceptance of such cars in off line use.   
 
Commenting on Bill's post,  Mark Rickert stated:
 
"Thank the AAR for that. (interchange rule 2)."
 
Thank the AAR for what?  If you are going to make reference to the Rule why not give some details?  Rule 2 covers a myriad of items, not just the provisions for accepting mechanical reefers powered by gasoline and LPG?   
 
 
First added to the Interchange Rules in 1953, the section of Rule 2 governing the interchange of mechanical reefers equipped with gas engines reads as such:
 
Rule 2, Section (d) Cars, loaded or empty, equipped with engines or heaters for the operation of which flammable liquids or gases having a flash point 80 degrees F., (open cup) or lower are used, for heating, lighting or refrigeration, will not be accepted in interchange except as follows:
 
(3)  Cars equipped with installations using gasoline or liquified petroleum gas to operate units for refrigeration purposes, are acceptable in interchange (for freight movement only) except where routed to or through areas where railroad has placed restriction specifically prohibiting the operation of such cars.  Railroads having such areas where the operation of such cars is prohibited or restricted, shall so indicate by publishing the location and extent of such areas by means of a suitable note in the publication "Railway Line Clearances".  Owners of cars equipped with such installations must indicate by a suitable explanatory note in the "Official Railway Equipment Register" the reporting marks, serial numbers and kind of equipments using fuels that would subject them to restricted operation as provided herein.  All such cars must be permanently placarded "Gasoline Driven Refrigeration Units" or Liquified Petroleum Gas Driven Refrigeration Units."
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada