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Re: more freight cars from the far past
riverman_vt@...
Hi Dennis,
Call them what you will, the y took me by surprise. I think of such things as being largely European, much like what I see used in Russia or Ukraine whenever Tanya and I go back to her home in Russia, which we have kept, and what was seen last fall from Munich to Budapest, though rail clips seem to be more common with concrete ties. Just how much use of these "screw spikes" was made in North America? sort of reminds me of the Belfast & Moosehead Lake in Maine which uses butt joints. That is joints side-by-side in both rails rather than staggered.
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Mopac versus Wabash wood caboose
How close are these Mopac cars to the Wabash 2600 serices?
http://www.lakejunctionmodels.com/Caboose.html
Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana
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Re: New CNWHS Modeler
John Larkin
Hi Ron, Thanks for the news on the C&NWHS modeling issue. Got the mainline modelers today, came back early from working at the farm because one of our helpers (daughter's boyfriend, 19 years old and in good shape) had an early dinner with his godmother tonight. His mom died from cancer about 3 weeks ago and we're all trying to keep him and his dad busy so they don't dwell on it too much. Really good kid, going into his sophomore year at Marquette in Milwaukee this fall (Amtrak from Omaha!). We're trying to clean up the front, get
rid of half-buried barbed wire, nuisance trees, etc., all hot and sweaty but today was in the low 80's, relatively low humidity, not bad at all - but I still need a shower! Thanks, John
On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:51 PM, "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]" wrote: Another well done magazine Ron!
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: New CNWHS Modeler
Clark Propst
Another well done magazine Ron!
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: more freight cars from the far past
Dennis Storzek
Screw spikes, Don
Dennis
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Re: more freight cars from the far past
riverman_vt@...
Of equal interest is the track in the second photo. Note the full use of tie plates but rail held in place with BOLTS, not spikes!!!!
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: more freight cars from the far past
Riverboy
I like looking closely at old photos like these. In the first photo, the Illinois Central box car has a little bit of a sag in it, while the Southern car right behind it has a very slight arch to it. The rest of the cars appear to be straight. Tod (Ohio)
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:42 PM, "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" wrote: I love the saggy cars in both photos. There really IS a prototype for those John Allen cars. Chuck Peck On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:29 PM, O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: more freight cars from the far past
I love the saggy cars in both photos. There really IS a prototype for those John Allen cars. Chuck Peck
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:29 PM, O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: more freight cars from the far past
Check out the ACL truss rod vent box in the second photo. Fenton Wells 5 Newberry Lane
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New CNWHS Modeler
A new CNWHS Modeler Volume #7, Issue #2 Can be found on the web site. http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm In This Issue: • Scratch building M&StL (GATC leased) Stock Cars • Building a 1970s Grain Boxcar Fleet – Part 3 • Modeling a Chicago & North Western Class J-S Part 4 • Installing DCC and Sound in a CNW Alco S-1 • Some Lettering Variations On Chicago Great Western Steam Locomotives Ron Christensen
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Re: Southern Car & Foundry
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Yes, I had. It is consistent with various notes I
found in trade publications with one importat addition. The USRS Anniston plant
became part of SC&F during 1899 meaning that SC&F quicky gained control
of all Southern car builders, not just all except one.
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more freight cars from the far past
Schuyler Larrabee
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-24-14/C4664.jpg http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-24-14/C4665.jpg
Bob Bahrs, one of the erielack experts (principally on the DL&W) provides these notes:
C4664 & C4665 Mr Bunnell has moved seven miles east to a little east of Johnson City, NY at MP 193. C4664 looks east and C4665 looks west. This of course is still in the area where the Erie and Lackawanna were right alongside each other.
The photo is on the Lackawanna tracks, and the train of freight cars adjacent is on the ERIE. You freightcarologists will be kicking yourselves that you cannot walk along the line photographing each and every one of those cars. Maybe in particular “Atlantic Coast Despatch” ACL 23215. I know I am.
Schuyler
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Re: Southern Car & Foundry
Eric, very likely you have seen this link, but just in case here it is. Doesn't mention PSC but is generally along the lines of your outline and has references http://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/southerncarfoundry.htm Eric Lombard Homewood, IL
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 8:38 AM, 'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Southern Car & Foundry
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
It just hit me. Circumstantial evidence suggests
that Southern Car & Foundry (1988-1904) was controlled by the same interests
as Pressed Steel Car. Has anyone else come to this conclusion? Their Memphis
plant apparently went to ACF and their Lenoir plant to Southern Railway. In
2-02, SC&F was building a new plant in Alabama to manufacture pressed steel
cars which now makes complete sense
Eric.
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Re: Steamtown Images
Mike and Schuyler - Thank you for sharing the information on the current process and future plans for the Steamtown images. It all makes good sense to me and I really appreciate, as I'm sure we all do, the time and effort being put into making the images available by both Patrick McKnight at the NPS and the fellows at the EL discussion list. Eric Lombard Homewood, IL
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:06 PM, MDelvec952@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Tropicana in the 1950s
Guy Wilber
FGE Bill wrote:
"While they were effective at maintaining low temperatures,
the power plants were fueled by gasoline meaning that they could only run on the
FGE/WFE/BRE System including their contracted lines, as the RR's outside the
system would not accept them for interchange because of the fuel they
used."
Bill,
This was a provision of the Interchange
Rules which gave the receiving roads the discretion to accept the cars in
interchange (or not), so there may well have been some acceptance of
such cars in off line use.
Commenting on Bill's post, Mark Rickert stated:
"Thank the AAR for that. (interchange
rule 2)."
Thank the AAR for what? If you are going
to make reference to the Rule why not give some details? Rule 2
covers a myriad of items, not just the provisions for accepting mechanical
reefers powered by gasoline and LPG?
First added to the Interchange Rules in 1953, the
section of Rule 2 governing the interchange of mechanical reefers
equipped with gas engines reads as such:
Rule 2, Section (d) Cars, loaded or empty, equipped with
engines or heaters for the operation of which flammable liquids or gases having
a flash point 80 degrees F., (open cup) or lower are used, for heating,
lighting or refrigeration, will not be accepted in interchange except as
follows:
(3) Cars equipped with installations
using gasoline or liquified petroleum gas to operate units for
refrigeration purposes, are acceptable in interchange (for freight movement
only) except where routed to or through areas where railroad has placed
restriction specifically prohibiting the operation of such cars. Railroads
having such areas where the operation of such cars is prohibited or restricted,
shall so indicate by publishing the location and extent of such areas by means
of a suitable note in the publication "Railway Line Clearances". Owners of
cars equipped with such installations must indicate by a suitable
explanatory note in the "Official Railway Equipment Register" the reporting
marks, serial numbers and kind of equipments using fuels that would subject them
to restricted operation as provided herein. All such cars must be
permanently placarded "Gasoline Driven Refrigeration Units" or Liquified
Petroleum Gas Driven Refrigeration Units."
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)
Dennis Storzek
---In STMFC@..., <guycwilber@...> wrote : "There is absolutely no way that the crew is just finishing applying
the grain doors. Those grain doors which are on the ground are beat
to hell and still contain nails which you can clearly see at the ends indicating
that they have been removed from the car. Grain doors were typically built
up with two layers while the ones on the ground in this photo
have been separated during removal. " Guy, I concede your point. I did find my copy of Hilton and DUE (gotta get those names correct!) They consistently use SL&NRR for the Syracuse Lake Shore & Northern, rather than SLS&N; I would assume they saw enough official correspondence and filings during their research that they had good reason to make that choice. Dennis Storzek
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Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)
rwitt_2000
FWIW, it looks like a team track to me so any load in any type of freight car could appear.
The roadway seems wider providing a lane for trucks or wagons next to the railroad track. The first image in this group captures the end of the spur and two horse and wagon teams in the background. An interesting scene with a meandering track along a city street. Bob Witt, Indianapolis, IN
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Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)
Guy Wilber
Dennis wrote:
"For that matter, for all we know, the car is spotted at the
shipper. The crew is just finishing applying the grain doors... without seeing
the other side of the car, it's hard to tell."
There is absolutely no way that the crew is just finishing applying
the grain doors. Those grain doors which are on the ground are beat
to hell and still contain nails which you can clearly see at the ends indicating
that they have been removed from the car. Grain doors were typically built
up with two layers while the ones on the ground in this photo
have been separated during removal.
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: FW: (erielack) Steamtown Images--June 21, 2014 (C4646 thru C4650)
Dennis Storzek
Nobody is documenting the damaged car. If they were, it would be central to the image. The car has been coopered, and is perfectly fit for service... the shipper loaded it, right?
99 times out of 100, boxcar ends were damaged from the inside, when the load broke loose and tried to blast its way out of the car. You would think that the shipper of this load of granular material ( the car is fitted with grain doors) should have rejected this car, but hey, when cars were hard ti get, you take what is offered. For that matter, for all we know, the car is spotted at the shipper. The crew is just finishing applying the grain doors... without seeing the other side of the car, it's hard to tell. No matter, since the car is not centered in the frame, it's not the subject of interest, just an incidental bystander. If the end damage was the point of interest, I'd expect to see close-ups of the repair, complete with a stream of grain trickling out. Thanks, Scott, for the id of the location... it will save me from trying to find my copy of Hilton & Drew after all these years. Dennis
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