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Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Tim O'Connor
 

$1600 for a for 8 car set
Asking isn't getting.
Andy


Exactly -- it's not hard to find ridiculous asking prices on Ebay,
Amazon and elsewhere. I recently sold a lot of books (more coming)
and some fetched very low prices in comparison to Amazon for example.
I think the auction format is the only dependable way to find out
the true level of demand for an item. Vast amounts of stuff on Ebay
sits there forever with zero bidders.

But built up resin gets usually fetch over $100 if they're built well
and I've seen them sell for over $200 with great paint & weathering.
But they are very labor intensive, and the buyers understand that!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

tyesac@...
 

My dad once explained to me that this was known to economists as "the bigger fool therory of pricing" .  In other words, who's the bigger fool; the one asking the price, or the one paying it?  That ATSF MOW set, certain Santa Fe reefers & vinegar tank cars seem to be particulally prone to this problem.   Almost make you wish you modeled in N scale, maybe.
 
As the price of these things keeps rising, I can only wonder when something has got to give and this product line becomes available again someway.  Hopefully priced between "that's a lot but" and "you've got to be kidding".
 
Tom (no offence meant to N scalers) Casey 

At 08:20 AM 7/3/2014 -0500, you wrote:

>$1600 for a for 8 car set

Asking isn't getting. A lot of ebay sellers will see an item get bid up to
X dollars, think they have a gold mine, and list theirs for X + 50%
buy-it-now. They usually end up disappointed. Not to say that Sunshine
and other discontinued resin kits can't easily bring low 3 figures. I sold
some of mine and they did well, most amazingly were the Naperville mini-kits.

I still have some Sunshine kits for cars I felt I could justify for my
era. One I started years ago was a Santa Fe 50' gondola. Maybe time to
get it out again if I can clear half a square foot on the glass bench top.

Andy


Re: BLI USRA NYC cars

John Barry
 

Thanks Terry!

Good info for a SF guy.  Thank you also for all the effort in your website.  It is my go-to place for that large eastern road based in NY.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "'Terry Link' trlink@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI USRA NYC cars

 
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]"
I just re-read the March thread and have a question re running boards. The
BLI models have painted metal RBs. Were these installed with the new roofs
starting before WWII? My modeling date is 1944. From the previous
discussion, sounds like the pre-53 Roman lettering versions would work with
adjustments of reweigh dates, just not sure about the running boards though.

If modelling 1944 - besides the reweigh date change, you will also need to
remove the 'paint triangle' from the painted models as the triangle didn't
appear until December 1950.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
www.canadasouthern.com




Re: Richard Hendrickson

Thomas Baker
 

This is a shocker: On our street and the street behind me, the power has been out for the last four days.  I thought a trip to the local library would catch me up on the latest.  This is not what I had in mind on "the latest".  It is sad news indeed.  My sympathy goes out to his family and to those who knew him personally.

 

His knowledge about freight cars was encyclopedic, and he did not hesitate to share it rather than with a supercilious attitude to hoard it.  Although he did not know me personally, he responded to several of my inquiries over the list and sent me a few relevant photos.  His passing is a great loss first to his family and then to the wider circle of his friends on this list.

 

May God bless and comfort his family in this difficult time.

 

Tom Baker

 


From: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Richard Hendrickson
 


Tony thank you for sharing this sad note. I must say I never met Richard. My shock came a few years ago when Mr. Hendrickson answered a email I posted on this group, nearly fell out of my computer chair. His modeling and knowledge was astounding. Hopefully we can follow his kindness.
Most of all may the Lord touch his wife.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan


Re: Richard Hendrickson

npin53
 

I remember Richard saying at one of the Naperville RPM's, something to the effect, that" if you say you model your favorite railroad between 1940, and 1960, you're just modeling 1960 very badly".  He also said, "People have to realize, just how dirty freight cars were in the steam era".

He was the go-to guy if there was a question on tank cars or steam era trucks.  He helped me with pictures when I built my Westerfield BX-12.

I believe Bill Welch introduced me to Richard.  Although 40 years apart, he had I both had been Electronics Technicians in the Navy, and had both served on destroyers. 

May we all run a Santa Fe box car in one of our trains in his memory.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Brian Carlson
 

I think these are asking prices not selling. He's also asking a lot for FSM kits. Well, he can ask what he wants. Will they sell?
Brian Carlson. 


On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Only to be surpassed by this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-HO-NEW-Sunshine-Models-ATSF-Santa-Fe-8-Car-MOW-Work-Train-4-of-400-W-1-/271537905395?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3f38eb9ef3

 

$1600 for a for 8 car set, ie $200 per car. From the same seller who appears to have an entire fleet of Sunshine kits for sale, plus Westerfield, etc.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Andy Harman
 

At 08:20 AM 7/3/2014 -0500, you wrote:

$1600 for a for 8 car set
Asking isn't getting. A lot of ebay sellers will see an item get bid up to X dollars, think they have a gold mine, and list theirs for X + 50% buy-it-now. They usually end up disappointed. Not to say that Sunshine and other discontinued resin kits can't easily bring low 3 figures. I sold some of mine and they did well, most amazingly were the Naperville mini-kits.

I still have some Sunshine kits for cars I felt I could justify for my era. One I started years ago was a Santa Fe 50' gondola. Maybe time to get it out again if I can clear half a square foot on the glass bench top.

Andy


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

 

This was the only time I got annoyed with Martin.  I had already done most of the prototypes in the train.  After my Pennsy camp car set sold so well, the Santa Fe set was next.  He probably was annoyed with me for doing Mop stock cars. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:20 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?
 
 

Only to be surpassed by this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-HO-NEW-Sunshine-Models-ATSF-Santa-Fe-8-Car-MOW-Work-Train-4-of-400-W-1-/271537905395?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3f38eb9ef3

$1600 for a for 8 car set, ie $200 per car. From the same seller who appears to have an entire fleet of Sunshine kits for sale, plus Westerfield, etc.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Douglas Harding
 

Only to be surpassed by this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-HO-NEW-Sunshine-Models-ATSF-Santa-Fe-8-Car-MOW-Work-Train-4-of-400-W-1-/271537905395?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3f38eb9ef3

 

$1600 for a for 8 car set, ie $200 per car. From the same seller who appears to have an entire fleet of Sunshine kits for sale, plus Westerfield, etc.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Sunshine Kits Price Bubble and Surge in Westerfield built kits!

gary laakso
 

The prices for Westerfield assembled kits have surged also:
 
 
I pulled out some Santa Fe resin kits to build in honor of Richard.  I will start them after the 3 NP 50 foot single sheathed boxcars from Speedwitch that are completed and the 2 Reading 4 door boxcar kits from F&C.  I must say that F&C has the best stile parts in the business! 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
grateful for all the contributions of Richard
 

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:43 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?
 
 

I guess it's time for another price bubble on unbuilt Sunshine kits.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-HO-NEW-Sunshine-Models-Santa-Fe-Fe-5-Auto-Ship-and-Travel-Car-22-2-2-/281375608538?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item41834b0eda

If these start selling for $100-$130 unbuilt, I've got a goldmine sitting under the layout...

 

There's been some talk about ways to honor Richard's memory. I can't think of a better way than to build a freight car.

 

Marty McGuirk

 

 


 


Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Marty McGuirk
 

I guess it's time for another price bubble on unbuilt Sunshine kits.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-HO-NEW-Sunshine-Models-Santa-Fe-Fe-5-Auto-Ship-and-Travel-Car-22-2-2-/281375608538?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item41834b0eda

If these start selling for $100-$130 unbuilt, I've got a goldmine sitting under the layout...

 

There's been some talk about ways to honor Richard's memory. I can't think of a better way than to build a freight car.

 

Marty McGuirk

 

 


 


Re: BLI USRA NYC cars

Terry Link
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Barry northbaylines@att.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
I just re-read the March thread and have a question re running boards. The
BLI models have painted metal RBs. Were these installed with the new roofs
starting before WWII? My modeling date is 1944. From the previous
discussion, sounds like the pre-53 Roman lettering versions would work with
adjustments of reweigh dates, just not sure about the running boards though.



If modelling 1944 - besides the reweigh date change, you will also need to
remove the 'paint triangle' from the painted models as the triangle didn't
appear until December 1950.


Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
www.canadasouthern.com


Richard Hendrickson, RIP

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

It has been twenty-four hours since Tony's note on Richard's passing was read the first thing yesterday morning and I am still in a state of shock. Thank you for letting us all know, Tony, even if it was not good news. For me Richard's
passing is just one too many over the last year but such is life.

I believe it was Gordon Cannon and Ron Perez who introduced me to Richard briefly when he was passing through the hotel lobby during the NMRA National in Eugene, OR in 1987. We had but a few minutes to chat but they were
not to be forgotten. In the early 1990's a friend and consummate "kitbasher" had a couple of questions we could not resolve in our frequent telephone conversations. Thus I suggested he contact Richard. The fellow being a "lone wolf" modeler and without a computer asked how he could do that. I found Richard's telephone number for him and within a half hour he telephoned me back and could not thank me enough for putting him in direct contact with Richard. This friend had a stroke while I was in Russia in early 2000 but bounced back very quickly from it. Unfortunately he had a second one the second time I was in Russia that year from which he has never recovered well. He is still with us but has never addressed anyone by name since, though he seems to recognize people, and is obviously far from participating in the hobby that unites us all.

It was in Napierville that fall, IIRC, that Richard and I finally had an opportunity to really converse, other than on the telpehone on occasion. During that meeting he asked what had happened to our mutual friend whom he, too, enjoyed telephone chats with from time to time after their first such converation. When told what had happened Richard seemed as saddened as we all are with the news of his passing. Everyone has noted what a great historian and modeler he was and how helpful he was to everyone in the hobby whom he ever seems to have met. But I think something may have been overlooked in this. To me it was not just the way Richard was with those of us who share in the hobby. It was the way he approached life, which I suspect was very much the same with anyone he met. He was the epitome of Will Rogers in that I doubt he ever met a person he didn't like even if he did not suffer fools easily. The world in recent years needs a lot more people with
a soul like Richard's. It is certainly a poorer place from his loss.

My deepest sympathy to Sandra, his family and close friends, Don Valentine


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Andy Harman
 

My favorite quote from Richard, in response to a manufacturer saying "The rivet counting must stop":

"The rivet counting will continue!"

May it continue, unabated.

Andy


Re: R. Henderson Memorial?

tjcataldo
 

santa  fe modeler convention coming up im sure lots of good words will be given to the passing of Richard Hendrickson

          tom


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM, lnnrr152@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

We are grieving the loss of friend and mentor Richard Hendrickson. It is very well that we should do so for a guiding light has been taken from us.

I am thinking that one of the best things we could do in his memory is to strive to keep alive the flame that he lit for us.  A common thread of the many responses to his passing was his capacity to share and teach.

Perhaps at one or several of the RPM meets that he inspired should be a Richard Hendrickson Memorial Clinic.  A clinic chosen by the leadership of the meet that reflects the values he has shown us.  The clinic might be on research, authorship, or how to prepare and present a clinic.   Any of these topics and many other topics as well would honor his memory. 

Other means of honoring him might serve as well or better, but this is the one that has occurred to me.


Thank you, Richard, from all of us.


Chuck Peck






--
Thomas  j Cataldo


R. Henderson Memorial?

Charles Peck
 

We are grieving the loss of friend and mentor Richard Hendrickson. It is very well that we should do so for a guiding light has been taken from us.

I am thinking that one of the best things we could do in his memory is to strive to keep alive the flame that he lit for us.  A common thread of the many responses to his passing was his capacity to share and teach.

Perhaps at one or several of the RPM meets that he inspired should be a Richard Hendrickson Memorial Clinic.  A clinic chosen by the leadership of the meet that reflects the values he has shown us.  The clinic might be on research, authorship, or how to prepare and present a clinic.   Any of these topics and many other topics as well would honor his memory. 

Other means of honoring him might serve as well or better, but this is the one that has occurred to me.


Thank you, Richard, from all of us.


Chuck Peck




Re: Richard Hendrickson

Mark
 

Tony thank you for sharing this sad note. I must say I never met Richard. My shock came a few years ago when Mr. Hendrickson answered a email I posted on this group, nearly fell out of my computer chair. His modeling and knowledge was astounding. Hopefully we can follow his kindness.
Most of all may the Lord touch his wife.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Dick Harley
 

How terribly sad.

I was with Dave Hussey at those 1980's Huntington Beach, CA modeling meets when we met Richard. His WestRail kits (along with Tony's RMC articles) started me down the path of researching PFE reefers. He helped me a lot. As others have said, it was always good to see him.

In addition to his enormous influence on standard gauge prototype railroad modeling, I hope his legacy will include setting the standard and prompting others to share the information they have.

Though a significant and premature loss, we are privileged to have known and been influenced by Richard.

Condolences to his family and close friends.


Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Empty/load sensor for braking

David
 

Virginian in particular seemed to like E&L brakes in its earlier years, opting for them on its WW1-era G-2 and H-4 classes (and removed them around 1931), plus the battleship gons. Most railroads tried to avoid them, though, due to the added complexity and expense. When the AAR made them a "Recommended Practice" in 1936 for cars with a rated capacity more than 3x their light weight, N&W took the simple expedient of relettering its hoppers from 115,000 lbs to 100,000 lbs to avoid equipping its cars with E&L brakes.

David Thompson


Re: ATSF "B" End of FE-22 Autocars

Rich C
 

Tom, Owning 2 Sunshine mini-kits, the Fe-22 and Fe-23 have the same ends. The Fe-24 has the 1937 ends, the 22/23 have the squashed Dreadnaughts.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:53 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

Tom I have a photo but it's from an oblique angle. I don't know how
much you can discern from it.

Tim O'

>I am looking for a photo of the "B" end of a Santa Fe FE-22 double
>door box car. Photos of the "A" end with the end door are in the
>books, but no "B" end. There are photos of the "B " of the FE-23 and
>FE-24 in the Santa Fe publication " Furniture and Automobile Box Cars"
>which Richard Hendrickson had authored. Apparently at the time of
>publication, Richard did not have a photo of the "B" end available
>either.
>
>I have searched through all the Warbonnets and its' predecessor, the
>Santa Fe Modeler with no luck there either. Can anyone tell me if the
>"B" end of the FE-22 (ribs, brake gear, ladders and grab irons) are
>the same as that of the FE-23 and Fe-24?
>
>Tom Olsen
>7 Boundary Road
>Newark, Delaware, 19711-7476
>
>(302) 738-4292
>tmolsen@...

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