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WTB Intermountain kit # 40799, AAR 1937 box car

John Barry
 

Needed to complete my Bx-28 and Bx-31.  I received a pair of Centralia Car Shops kits from Des Plains, but when I dug into them last night I discovered not only do they have the fixed ends that need to be sawed off, they came with the Viking roof.  All wrong for the ATSF cars.  I'll have to save them for another day.  This will be my first serious kitbash and I'm not quite up to whacking the ends off on my first go.  Andy Carlson has some on order, but has been told they will ship "some time" which helps neither of us.

Any one have one or two of the Intermountain 40799 you are willing to part with?  I would like to have the build for the ATSFRRH&MS convention in Fresno, but am seriously running out of time.  Also am willing to do a production position swap as they do in the airline industry and purchase you a future replacement for a kit now.



 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Clark Propst
 

I’ve hesitated on writing, not being good at this type of stuff.
I still tell friends about the first presentation of Richard’s I attended. Don’t think my mouth closed the entire time. I’ve asked him about different freight cars over the years and always received emails with images, sometimes without soliciting. Once I asked about a particular ATSF box car and he sent me doors he had had cast for that class. I’ll treasure that model even more now. I’ve been fortunate enough to have sent Richard more freight car photos than I’ve received, but the most humbling honor was having him buy a freight car from me last fall.
Stan Rydarowicz is not on this list. I don’t know how many times he’s commented to me that he really enjoyed Richard’s articles in RMJ on new models. Mainly because he would tell you which were correct, which were close and which were not and let you decide your purchase.
It was MY pleasure Richard...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Commemorative Richard Hendrickson Built

Charlie Duckworth
 

Like others have stated Richard improved the hobby to levels most of us didn't realize existed in the 1980's.  From upgrading the Athearn Blue Box Boxcar to building his Westrail war emergency boxcar he got an entire generation of modelers focused on going beyond painting Athearn boxcars with Champ decals.   His early articles on kit bashing and improving freight cars made us focus on what was being pulled between the locomotives and caboose.   

More than one modeler on this list mentioned a built to commemorate Richard's memory and contributions to our hobby.  Think about all these Santa Fe cars putting mileage on the many layouts in this honor for years going forward, what a better way to honor a fellow model railroader.

I know almost every Westerfield ATSF instruction sheet I've read gives credit to Richard for helping.  Was there a 'favorite' Santa Fe car of his he worked on with the manufacturers to produce or one he mentioned during his conversations with fellow ATSF modelers?   If not, I'll go with the Westerfield ATSF Bx-11 as my recommendation.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: ATSF "B" End of FE-22 Autocars

Marty McGuirk
 

I don't know….
maybe that's the reason John seems to get so many models built. 

Marty McGuirk


Re: ATSF "B" End of FE-22 Autocars

Charles Hladik
 

Tom,
    And lean on JJ !!! For years we've been trying to get him to get on line. At least point him to the Franklin library.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 7/4/2014 3:15:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Tim and Rich,

Many thanks for the help in regard to the "B" end of the ATSF FE-22.
John Johnson is in the process of building the F22 and since he does
not have internet access, I was asking for him.
Thanks to your information, I will copy the photo and forward it to
him so that he can complete the car.

Best regards,

Tom Olsen

On 7/2/14, Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC] wrote:
> Tom, Owning 2 Sunshine mini-kits, the Fe-22 and Fe-23 have the same ends.
> The Fe-24 has the 1937 ends, the 22/23 have the squashed Dreadnaughts.
>
> Rich Christie
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:53 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@...
> [STMFC]" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom I have a photo but it's from an oblique angle. I don't know how
> much you can discern from it.
>
> Tim O'
>
>>I am looking for a photo of the "B" end of a Santa Fe FE-22 double
>>door box car. Photos of the "A" end with the end door are in the
>>books, but no "B" end. There are photos of the "B " of the FE-23 and
>>FE-24 in the Santa Fe publication " Furniture and Automobile Box Cars"
>>which Richard Hendrickson had authored. Apparently at the time of
>>publication, Richard did not have a photo of the "B" end available
>>either.
>>
>>I have searched through all the Warbonnets and its' predecessor, the
>>Santa Fe Modeler with no luck there either. Can anyone tell me if the
>>"B" end of the FE-22 (ribs, brake gear, ladders and grab irons) are
>>the same as that of the FE-23 and Fe-24?
>>
>>Tom Olsen
>>7 Boundary Road
>>Newark, Delaware, 19711-7476
>>
>>(302) 738-4292
>>tmolsen@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


Re: ATSF "B" End of FE-22 Autocars

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Tim and Rich,

Many thanks for the help in regard to the "B" end of the ATSF FE-22.
John Johnson is in the process of building the F22 and since he does
not have internet access, I was asking for him.
Thanks to your information, I will copy the photo and forward it to
him so that he can complete the car.

Best regards,

Tom Olsen

On 7/2/14, Rich C rhcdmc@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Tom, Owning 2 Sunshine mini-kits, the Fe-22 and Fe-23 have the same ends.
The Fe-24 has the 1937 ends, the 22/23 have the squashed Dreadnaughts.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:53 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net
[STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





Tom I have a photo but it's from an oblique angle. I don't know how
much you can discern from it.

Tim O'

I am looking for a photo of the "B" end of a Santa Fe FE-22 double
door box car. Photos of the "A" end with the end door are in the
books, but no "B" end. There are photos of the "B " of the FE-23 and
FE-24 in the Santa Fe publication " Furniture and Automobile Box Cars"
which Richard Hendrickson had authored. Apparently at the time of
publication, Richard did not have a photo of the "B" end available
either.

I have searched through all the Warbonnets and its' predecessor, the
Santa Fe Modeler with no luck there either. Can anyone tell me if the
"B" end of the FE-22 (ribs, brake gear, ladders and grab irons) are
the same as that of the FE-23 and Fe-24?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7476

(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu




Re: Richard Hendrickson

Brian Carlson
 

I know I responded already but I was thinking about my friendship with Richard, and wanted to share one more memory. When I first got the courage to email him off list, I addressed him as Mr. Hendrickson,. (I was approximately 40 years younger than Richard, and the way I was raised first names were not used in initial contacts.) It wasn’t long before he had me calling him Richard. I think that his approachability and gracious nature are what really endeared him to me and probably many others.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 12:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Richard Hendrickson

 

 


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Tim O'Connor
 


 > Just to add to what the "Boss Brock at the Beach" has reminded us of, without the inspiration of
  > Richard there would have never been a SHAKE N TAKE... and so many other things to numerous to mention.
  > Greg Martin


Just out of curiousity about Richard's influence on myself, I just checked
all of my email archives simply for saved emails from Richard -- There are a total
of 3,834 emails. Of course many of these take place in the context of discussions
with multiple people, so Richard's name is mentioned in tens of thousands more
emails. Of the total, 595 emails are from pre-Yahoo days of rec.models.railroad
and the FCN mailing list or just private or shared conversations via email. The
earliest are from 1996. The first Naperville meet was in 1994, and the first one
I went to was in 1995. So it was very soon after that (1996) that the emailing
began -- and it never stopped!

The amazing thing is that I can open any one of those saved messages and there is
always something interesting / useful / thoughtful in them (which is why I saved
them of course). So although I will never again have the pleasure of talking with
Richard he lives on in the printed word for as long as I can still read.

Tim O'


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Douglas Harding
 

With all the other positive comments about Richard, his personality, and his tremendous support of the hobby and especially his unbelievable knowledge about freight cars, I would like to add two comments of a personal nature. 1) I had attended his clinics, saw the teacher as many did. But after I got acquainted with Richard, I was always impressed that he remembered me and called me by name at each event that followed, making it always a delight to see him. And 2) the thrill I had when he contacted me seeking something I had for a book he was working on, after he had helped me with many requests.  ie the master seeking help from the pupil. I will always remember him for the friendship he offered, perhaps more than the knowledge he shared.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Richard Hendrickson
 

Dear Mike,
     I’ve gotten so many cudos to Richard …. it’s a shame he isn’t here to hear them.  Thank you for your kind words.  And please relay to STMFC my thanks.  This was so sudden and unexpected that I still don’t know what I’m doing.
     Sandra
On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:37 PM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

The STMFC, RPM in general, Prototype Rails, certainly various historical and 
modeling organizations [ led, of course, by the Santa Fe ] and many other 
model railroading groups have lost a giant among their members. Many of us 
have lost a dear friend as well and his passing will be difficult to take.

I would just say that, among the several thousand STMFC members, I only 
referred to one by his first name alone...Richard. Everyone knew who I was 
referring to. Let me add that I can also say that, without Richard, there 
would not have been a Steam Era Freight Car Group.

Mike Brock 


Sandra Hendrickson



Re: Richard Hendrickson

Greg Martin
 

Just to add to what the "Boss Brock at the Beach" has reminded us of, without the inspiration of Richard there would have never been a SHAKE N TAKE... and so many other things to numerous to mention.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 7/3/2014 7:39:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

The STMFC, RPM in general, Prototype Rails, certainly various historical and
modeling organizations [ led, of course, by the Santa Fe ] and many other
model railroading groups have lost a giant among their members. Many of us
have lost a dear friend as well and his passing will be difficult to take.

I would just say that, among the several thousand STMFC members, I only
referred to one by his first name alone...Richard. Everyone knew who I was
referring to. Let me add that I can also say that, without Richard, there
would not have been a Steam Era Freight Car Group.

Mike Brock


Notes About Richard

Gary Roe
 

I was wondering if there is someone who has been collecting all the notes that have been written about Richard over the last couple days, with the intent to forward them to his family by some means.  I am sure that they would appreciate knowing how much WE appreciated him.  Just a thought.

gary roe
quincy, illinois











Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

MDelvec952
 



I've been watching these listings as well and find them remarkable.  The silver lining might be that folks with kits on the shelf might list them for reasonable money and find buyers. 

I imagine others share this trait, but I find it difficult to part with a good resin kit. While my time is short these days, retirement is possible in eight years and I may start building again.  I have sold and traded a few resin kits, though, and I'm glad they got a good home.

            ....Mike Del Vecchio


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Jul 3, 2014 9:20 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

 
 
$1600 for a for 8 car set, ie $200 per car. From the same seller who appears to have an entire fleet of Sunshine kits for sale, plus Westerfield, etc.
 
Doug Harding
 


Re: Richard Hendrickson

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

It is difficult to imagine the hobby without Richard Hendrickson. For as long as I have been a serious modeler, I have sought out his byline and his advice. Apart from his encyclopedic knowledge of the subject matter, I doubt there was a kinder, more collegial man on the planet. He was a giant and a gentleman.

To his family and many friends, I send my condolences.

Sincerely,

Michael Gross
La Canada, CA


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Scott Pitzer
 

When that familiar nostalgia question shows up: "Do you remember being EXCITED to go to the mailbox?" I think of all the freight car questions RHH answered for me, often with photos included.
I met him at one of those Huntington Beach church, Santa Fe annual conventions.
I was so addicted to his magazine articles that when he announced his retirement from teaching, all I could think of was "Maybe TWICE as many articles will be published now?!?!"
The word "shocked" has been used, understandably, many times in the 
past two days, but some years ago it came to my mind (as it might for, say, an older relative)... "He's not going to be around forever, and that'll be hard..."
Scott Pitzer



Re: Fallen Flags website

Tim O'Connor
 

Not to argue, Schuyler, (I have donated to Fallen Flags and value the site)
but part of the problem is that extremely high quality free collections are
now available on tens of thousands of web pages. Some can be discovered with
Google (George deliberately made his web site inaccessible to web crawlers),
some are well known, or just spread by word of mouth. I have bookmarks for so
many hundreds of collections I could not possibly visit them all -- Having a
searchable index is vital, and many sites provide that.

Tim O'Connor

Many of us have made use of the Fallen Flags website. Recently it�s been unavailable. For questions on the ERIE, DL&W and EL, I have often posted links to individual photos which will illustrate what people want to know. There is a hard fact here: web space is not free. And it became unaffordable for Mr Elwood. All is not lost (but it could be without much pressure) so when it returns, be generous and contribute to make sure it remains a resource for us all.

Schuyler


Here's the official word from George Elwood himself:


The Railroad Fallen Flags web (RRFF) site was first installed on the internet in November 1994. Using a small amount of available space on my internet provider's server, small images files were made available. Running out of space, I was offered space on the Bluemoon server in Buffalo. The site was stood up there in Oct 1997.

In 2002 the site was listed as one of the top ten RR related web sites by "Model Railroader."" The next year it was named the best site by the magazine. That year the site received over 65000 hits in one month, the high point. The site has been cited in other magazines over the years. The site has provided support for various model projects, articles and books.

The RRFF has been a true labor of love for me. I don't have a clue as to the number of hours I have spent. Since I retired at the end of last year,


Fallen Flags website

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Many of us have made use of the Fallen Flags website.  Recently it’s been unavailable.  For questions on the ERIE, DL&W and EL, I have often posted links to individual photos which will illustrate what people want to know.  There is a hard fact here: web space is not free.  And it became unaffordable for Mr Elwood.  All is not lost (but it could be without much pressure) so when it returns, be generous and contribute to make sure it remains a resource for us all.

 

Schuyler

 

 

Here's the official word from George Elwood himself:

 

 

The Railroad Fallen Flags web (RRFF) site was first installed on the internet in November 1994. Using a small amount of available space on my internet provider's server, small images files were made available. Running out of space, I was offered space on the Bluemoon server in Buffalo. The site was stood up there in Oct 1997.

 

In 2002 the site was listed as one of the top ten RR related web sites by "Model Railroader."" The next year it was named the best site by the magazine. That year the site received over 65000 hits in one month, the high point. The site has been cited in other magazines over the years. The site has provided support for various model projects, articles and books.

 

The RRFF has been a true labor of love for me. I don't have a clue as to the number of hours I have spent. Since I retired at the end of last year, I have been putting in even more hours. I start between 0730 and 1000 and end between 2200 and 2300 every day. Of course I take time to eat, walk and complete tasks around the house although this list is growing longer.

 

When I started the image size was kept to around 35k in order to get the most online. This image size has now moved to around 100K.

Some of the operator manuals are much larger. I prevent WebCrawler's from gathering information on the site material. With the number of files, this would impact the overall operation of the site. It does keep me off the various search engines which result in low visibility across the railfan community and a low access rate.

 

As of shutdown the RRFF has 358,698 files with a total size of 28.7GB.

Images run from the 1800's to last week. I don't have an exact count but over 1000 railroads and private car/loco owners are present on the system.

Looking at the basic numbers for May, the site supported over 770000 successful requests for 56GB of data transfer.

 

In 2002 the RRFF requested donations to support the site. The response was great and this continued over the years providing yearly funding of the site.

 

The donation drive for July 2013-Jun 2014 provided barely enough for the year by using some of the left over funds from the previous year. As a result, I decided to see how many people cared about the site and I removed the easy link to PayPal and the snail mail address. In the previous 12 months only 13 people requested information on how to send a donation. A few foreign visitors found my PayPal account and sent a donation. The end result is that there are not enough funds to cover another year. On 30 Jun 2014 I removed the RRFF from the Bluemoon system and my account was terminated.

 

I would like to thank those of you who have supported the site over the years either through donations or submitting material to post. All have been great appreciated.

 

That being said, I have another location for the RRFF. Using the limited donations from the past year and the rest from my mad money, the new site is paid for the next year. The RRFF will return within 1-3 weeks at the same URL (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org) if everything goes right. I will be going through the current material on the site and removing duplicate and poor quality images before standing it up. I have also noted some misplaced files which will be placed in the correct location. If you have been submitting material to the site, continue to do so as I will continue to process the files and will start with a large number of images.

 


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Tom and List Members,
 
Believe me, there are just as many fools (both kinds, the asking price kind, and the paying price kind) in N scale as there is in any other scale!
 
  -  Claus Schlund (N scaler, hopefully only a fool some of the time)
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

My dad once explained to me that this was known to economists as "the bigger fool therory of pricing" .  In other words, who's the bigger fool; the one asking the price, or the one paying it?  That ATSF MOW set, certain Santa Fe reefers & vinegar tank cars seem to be particulally prone to this problem.   Almost make you wish you modeled in N scale, maybe.
 
As the price of these things keeps rising, I can only wonder when something has got to give and this product line becomes available again someway.  Hopefully priced between "that's a lot but" and "you've got to be kidding".
 
Tom (no offence meant to N scalers) Casey 
At 08:20 AM 7/3/2014 -0500, you wrote:

>$1600 for a for 8 car set

Asking isn't getting. A lot of ebay sellers will see an item get bid up to
X dollars, think they have a gold mine, and list theirs for X + 50%
buy-it-now. They usually end up disappointed. Not to say that Sunshine
and other discontinued resin kits can't easily bring low 3 figures. I sold
some of mine and they did well, most amazingly were the Naperville mini-kits.

I still have some Sunshine kits for cars I felt I could justify for my
era. One I started years ago was a Santa Fe 50' gondola. Maybe time to
get it out again if I can clear half a square foot on the glass bench top.

Andy


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

Tim O'Connor
 

$1600 for a for 8 car set
Asking isn't getting.
Andy


Exactly -- it's not hard to find ridiculous asking prices on Ebay,
Amazon and elsewhere. I recently sold a lot of books (more coming)
and some fetched very low prices in comparison to Amazon for example.
I think the auction format is the only dependable way to find out
the true level of demand for an item. Vast amounts of stuff on Ebay
sits there forever with zero bidders.

But built up resin gets usually fetch over $100 if they're built well
and I've seen them sell for over $200 with great paint & weathering.
But they are very labor intensive, and the buyers understand that!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Sunshine Kits Price Bubble?

tyesac@...
 

My dad once explained to me that this was known to economists as "the bigger fool therory of pricing" .  In other words, who's the bigger fool; the one asking the price, or the one paying it?  That ATSF MOW set, certain Santa Fe reefers & vinegar tank cars seem to be particulally prone to this problem.   Almost make you wish you modeled in N scale, maybe.
 
As the price of these things keeps rising, I can only wonder when something has got to give and this product line becomes available again someway.  Hopefully priced between "that's a lot but" and "you've got to be kidding".
 
Tom (no offence meant to N scalers) Casey 

At 08:20 AM 7/3/2014 -0500, you wrote:

>$1600 for a for 8 car set

Asking isn't getting. A lot of ebay sellers will see an item get bid up to
X dollars, think they have a gold mine, and list theirs for X + 50%
buy-it-now. They usually end up disappointed. Not to say that Sunshine
and other discontinued resin kits can't easily bring low 3 figures. I sold
some of mine and they did well, most amazingly were the Naperville mini-kits.

I still have some Sunshine kits for cars I felt I could justify for my
era. One I started years ago was a Santa Fe 50' gondola. Maybe time to
get it out again if I can clear half a square foot on the glass bench top.

Andy

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