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Re: Upgrading AHM Helium Cars

John Barry
 

Bob,

The cars also served NAS Moffet Field in Sunnyvale on the SP.  Depending on the routing, they could have been interchanged from ATSF after traversing Cajon to SP in LA and gone up the coast or in Oakland after transiting Tehachapi and the Valley Division.  I don't believe that ATSF would have short hauled itself and delivered the cars to SP in El Paso.

I too need these cars to support my 1944 ops and Blimps.  I have the requisite tanks, now I need to find the ore cars for the trucks
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: Robert Chaparro
To: SANTAFE@...
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 1:06 PM
Subject: Upgrading AHM Helium Cars

For those of you who missed it, the August 2014 issue of MODEL RAILROADER features an article by Alain Kap on upgrading an HO scale AHM helium car.  The three-page article features a number of photos plus a parts list.
 
These are very unique cars and were certainly seen in Southern California being hauled by Santa Fe (and Southern Pacific).  Destinations included:
 
NASA/USAF, Vandenberg AFB, ATSF/SP
USN, NAS Tustin, CA (blimp base) during and after World War II
USAF, Rich, CA (Missile Test Center), ATSF
USAF, Muroc, CA (Edwards AFB), ATSF
 
I also have been gearing-up for such a project, having acquired five AHM cars over the past fifteen months plus photos of the prototype and information about the cars generally.
 
Alain upgraded the trucks to Athearn #90399 Hyatt 33" roller bearing trucks.  These currently are out-of-stock. I plan to use the heavy-duty trucks that came with the out-of-production Roundhouse large rectangular “Tight Bottom” ore car as these trucks are closer in appearance to the prototype.  These were in the Roundhouse series that numbered 1701 to at least 1713.  As with the AHM cars, I have acquired the necessary ore cars at swap meets.
 
To further aid your efforts Tony Thompson blog has three articles on modeling helium cars:
 
 
Lastly, the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society has an article coming on helium cars in its WARBONNET publication so watch for that, also.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 



Re: Question On 3-bay Panel Sided Hoppers

water.kresse@...
 

We also did a C&O His Mag article on them a while back.  
 
Photos of these C&O 17XXXX series 70-ton hopper cars will also show up in the C&OHS's soon to be published (ready for publisher)  C&O Freight Cars, 1937-1946 book put together by Carl Shaver, Karen Parker and myself.  There are tons of pictures of them captured at Armco Ashland Steel Works with those negs now at the Boyd County Library in Ashland, KY. 
 
Al Kresse


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 4:16:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question On 3-bay Panel Sided Hoppers

 

Jim,

Many thanks---I just located an image in my C&O freight car book!

Brad Andonian


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 12:41 PM, "James E Kubanick jekuban@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Brad,

C&O had such cars. Overland imported brass models of these, but I'm not sure if they duplicate the KTM model. Photos of the C&O cars do exist but i do not have any.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 1:50 PM, "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Fellas,

I have a three bay panel sided hopper from KTM.   Does a prototype exist?   I would appreciate an image if so!

With thanks,
Brad Andonian
Seattle






Re: Question On 3-bay Panel Sided Hoppers

Brad Andonian
 

Jim,

Many thanks---I just located an image in my C&O freight car book!

Brad Andonian


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 12:41 PM, "James E Kubanick jekuban@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Brad,

C&O had such cars. Overland imported brass models of these, but I'm not sure if they duplicate the KTM model. Photos of the C&O cars do exist but i do not have any.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 1:50 PM, "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Fellas,

I have a three bay panel sided hopper from KTM.   Does a prototype exist?   I would appreciate an image if so!

With thanks,
Brad Andonian
Seattle





Re: Question On 3-bay Panel Sided Hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Brad Andonian asked:
"I have a three bay panel sided hopper from KTM.   Does a prototype exist?   I would appreciate an image if so!"
An image of the model would be nice too.  We're not telepaths.

Ben Hom


Re: Question On 3-bay Panel Sided Hoppers

James E Kubanick
 

Brad,

C&O had such cars. Overland imported brass models of these, but I'm not sure if they duplicate the KTM model. Photos of the C&O cars do exist but i do not have any.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 1:50 PM, "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Fellas,

I have a three bay panel sided hopper from KTM.   Does a prototype exist?   I would appreciate an image if so!

With thanks,
Brad Andonian
Seattle



Re: Wabash Rebuilt DS Cars

Paul Bizier
 

Thanks to all for the answers on the running boards - I've got both of the Speedwitch proto modeling books, but they're packed somewhere in the 20+ boxes which are waiting for a future move to be unpacked.  I'll go ahead with the Plano running board and just put the wood R/B into the parts box...


Paul Bizier


Question On 3-bay Panel Sided Hoppers

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I have a three bay panel sided hopper from KTM.   Does a prototype exist?   I would appreciate an image if so!

With thanks,
Brad Andonian
Seattle


Re: Richard...on the "lighter" side

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:20 AM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@cfl.rr.com [STMFC] wrote:

Reading Tony's very well done comments in his blog, I am going to relate one
or two stories of my own relationship with Richard. Both, naturally on the
"lighter" side.

Lovely bit of tribute, Mike. Meanwhile,
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Think_We%27re_All_Bozos_on_This_Bus> and
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmWFrMq3qNY>.
--
"Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
From Wolfgang Pauli, perpetrator of the Pauli Exclusion Principle


Re: Aberdeen Proving Ground

devansprr
 

Denny,

I have visited both Aberdeen (APG) and Fort Eustis in the past month, and saw a big rail gun at Fort Lee last summer (visible on Google Earth). Checking the Fort Lee web site, it appears the new Ordnance museum has not yet been built, but a small portion of the small arms collection is on display at the Quartermaster's museum on Fort Lee. According to Wikipedia, nearly all of the collection at APG has been moved to Fort Lee, even though the equipment lacks a home.

In the past ten years of BRAC moves, Aberdeen has become the home for a lot of electronics and command and control organizations - so it is pretty much locked down, even though the testing organization's "proving ground" still operate there.

Fort Eustis is home to the Army's Training and doctrine command. It includes a fair amount of railroad trackage and they still train troops there in railroad operations - the week I was on post a GP-n and a bunch of old boxcars (post STMFC era) were being run around post for training.

Fort Eustis is also the home of the Army Transportation Museum.

I scouted Fort Eustis a little in my free time, and the visited the museum. There are a few railroad cars at the museum that are STMFC era cars, but all of the other freight rolling stock on post appear to be post STMFC era. There are 2 or 3 LW passenger cars in one of the rail yards there - in terrible condition - they may be hospital cars purchased towards the end of WWII - I was not able to get close enough to photograph them.

In the transportation museum, which covers rail, vehicle, and army air transport, they do have a few freight cars relevant to this group.  They are under cover and in decent shape, with display stands describing the equipment. There are also two non-operational steam locomotives, and a WWII Alco diesel.

Railroad equipment relevant to this list's era includes:

Tank Car - GATC - built 1949 - 10,000 gallon - DODX - number not legible - single compartment

40 ton flat car - ACF - built "1940's" - truss rods.

40 ton flat car - Pressed Steel corp - built 1950 - truss rods! USA 460664 - for overseas service.

Brown Hoist 75 ton crane - 1952

Jordon spreader - 1953

Baldwin 2-8-0 built 1945 - originally # 5187, renumbered to 607 in 1952.

Narrow gauge 0-6-0T steam locomotive built 1946 - # V1823. Built by Vulcan???

Diesel locomotive RS-1 - #8011 built 1942 with 6 wheel trucks. ALCO #69427 (Spec E-1641).  Saw service in Iran, and later in Alaska with ADOT.

Diesel locomotive MRS-1 - #1811 - 1952 EMD product - six axle, low profile for overseas operations

Inside the museum there are interesting displays on WWII railway operations overseas. The use of Jeep's fitted with wheel hubs from 2.5 ton trucks to function as flanged wheels to pull rail cars in some theaters is pretty interesting - the original "Jeep" train. The display reports trains as heavy as 250 tons being pulled by Jeeps.  A lot of ingenuity during WWII just trying to move the freight (and using elephants to shift freight cars in rail yards in India and Burma...)

If you are interested in all forms of transportation, the early helicopter collection at Fort Eustis is also interesting, along with the trucks of various eras.

Both Fort Lee and For Eustis have visitor processing facilities at the main gate. You can visit their museums by stopping at the visitor facility, showing your driver license (which they will check against some unknown database), your vehicle registration and possibly your automotive insurance card, in order to obtain a one day access pass to the museum.

Dave Evans



---In STMFC@..., <danspachmd@...> wrote :

SNIP...

I have re-visited APG a number of times over the past  almost-50 years, but the former easy entry to the post's public areas has now been shut down completely following 9/11. A truly great tank and armor museum was developed in the years following my posting, of which the great line of tanks and other heavy armor about which Mike reports lining the median of the main entrance road was but a very small part     The array of armor from around the world and from all 20thC wars was mind boggling, and in a particular way was sheer manna from heaven for those enamored by Big Heavy Machinery (You know who you are!).  The huge German railway gun ("Anzio Annie") was a major attraction.

SNIP...

Reportedly, pursuant to the base closure act of 2010, all of this armor has now been moved from APG to new museum facilities in Fort Lee, VA. Recently, I read that Anzio Annie, after arriving at APG on its own wheels after WWII, has now also departed APG, dismantled, on trucks. As a part of the changes at APG required by the same 2010 act, a like-new, i.e. "mint" US Army EMD SW8 came by free NS transport from Aberdeen to the California State RR Museum's Sacramento Southern RR, where it now serves.

By serendipity these days, I am surprisingly often in and about Aberdeen and environs, a truly interesting place for those with railroad interests.  However, APG now is totally off limits, and I an only guess at what it is like these days.  Also, by serendipty, I recently lowered my APG Boat Club burgee for the last time and retired it. 

 
Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA






Re: Wabash Rebuilt DS Cars

Rob Adams
 

Paul;

Based on photographs of the cars taken of the cars when rebuilt, the Wabash 10' 4" IH box car rebuilds were fitted with steel running boards.  There is an excellent article about the Wabash double-sheathed car rebuilding program that appears in Volume 1 of Prototype Railroad Modeling.  It was published in 2005 by Speedwitch Media and to my knowledge is still available.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA 


On 7/5/14, 11:20 AM, pa.bizier@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

I seem to be on a little spate of rebuilt DS cars, with the S&T ATSF car and a Sunshine Wabash 10'4" rebuilt DS car on the workbench.  In the Sunshine box, Martin included both a Plano metal running board and a wood running board.  The Proto Data Sheet doesn't mention the running boards, only the brake gear.  So, does anyone know if these cars would have had the wood running board, or the metal R/B?


Any help appreciated,

Paul Bizier



Re: Wabash Rebuilt DS Cars

Pierre Oliver
 

Paul
If you can find a copy of the 2nd issue of Prototype Modeling published by Speedwitch, there's an excellent article on the Wabash rebuilds. I'd answer the actual question but I'm at work

Pierre Oliver


On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:20 PM, "pa.bizier@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I seem to be on a little spate of rebuilt DS cars, with the S&T ATSF car and a Sunshine Wabash 10'4" rebuilt DS car on the workbench.  In the Sunshine box, Martin included both a Plano metal running board and a wood running board.  The Proto Data Sheet doesn't mention the running boards, only the brake gear.  So, does anyone know if these cars would have had the wood running board, or the metal R/B?


Any help appreciated,

Paul Bizier


Wabash Rebuilt DS Cars

Paul Bizier
 

I seem to be on a little spate of rebuilt DS cars, with the S&T ATSF car and a Sunshine Wabash 10'4" rebuilt DS car on the workbench.  In the Sunshine box, Martin included both a Plano metal running board and a wood running board.  The Proto Data Sheet doesn't mention the running boards, only the brake gear.  So, does anyone know if these cars would have had the wood running board, or the metal R/B?


Any help appreciated,

Paul Bizier


Richard...on the "lighter" side

Mikebrock
 

Reading Tony's very well done comments in his blog, I am going to relate one
or two stories of my own relationship with Richard. Both, naturally on the "lighter" side.

Back before the Steam Era Frt Car Group [ the STMFC ] came into being many
of us used a group which included both steam era and contemporary railroad
items...if I recall correctly, confined to freight cars. Some of us managed to convince the group's management that it would be useful to include an indication that the subject matter was steam era or post steam era so we didn't have to read discussions that we weren't interested in. Some followed this concept and some did not.
Well, one day Richard noted that some discussion was taking place that
probably should have been on a less prototypically associated group and
Richard, after perhaps testing a new wine, suggested that "bozos" not
interested in prototypical issues should conduct such discussion
elesewhere...or with words to that effect. As in the case in which the "stuck
pig squeals", the group's management complained that Richard had attacked
two of the group's members. Of course, Richard did no such
thing...mentioning no names. Well, the short of it is that Richard resigned,
I asked 30 or so historical modelers to join a new steam era group and asked
Richard to join, giving him and him alone, the freedom to refer to anyone in
the group as a "bozo" free of management complaint. Richard did join, the
STMFC came into being, now has about 2000 members, and, as far as I know, no one has been referred to as a "bozo" although I have once or twice considered using the term myself.

Tony referred to Richard's interest in wine. During the San Jose NMRA National in
2000, Richard, and I think Sandra, conducted a wine tasting clinic. I was
busy elsewhere but my wife, Georgia, attended. I can attest to the
competency of the clinic because when I next found Georgia in a hall way she
thought that everything I said was hillarious...or close to it. I thought,
my, I seem to be quite witty today. Then I thought, the wine tasting clinic. Ah
ha!

Mike Brock


Re: Steamtown Images

Rich Yoder
 

Thanks Ray.

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:25 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steamtown Images








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erie_Railroad





Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




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From: "'Richard Yoder' oscale48@comcast.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Steamtown Images


I know this is an old subject but - when did the Erie Switch from the
original wide gauge it started out with?
Rich Yoder


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Armand Premo
 

    Truly a Renaissance Man.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Richard Hendrickson

 

Denny Anspach wrote:

The Big Hole in his productive life, as many of his railroad friends and students might see it, was that he never produced a Magnum Opus, THE FREIGHT CAR BOOK, that would have summarized for posterity the vast amount of data that he accumulated over a lifetime of interest, and which only exists in part in widely scattered publications, most of which were low-volume (even by our standards) and defunct to boot. The high value of such accumulated knowledge and data only gains the high acclaim that posterity requires when it is actually published for wide critical review.   

I believe that it is safe to say that the  person closest to Richard in the sharing of railroad interests in general, and freight car interests in particular, is Tony Thompson; and at some appropriate and respectful time, I would hope that he might weigh in on how Richard would have liked to have made all of this knowledge available to those who follow..


       Denny, you are right in a way, and Richard did talk from time to time about a “big book,” to be all about tank cars. I believe he never really started, being a little daunted by the magnitude of the task, though I often tried to encourage to try a chapter and see if it would get him going. 
        But remember he DID do three books about Santa Fe freight cars, and most of the writing in the book he co-authored with Ed Kaminski, on Billboard Refrigerator Cars.
        I also think he felt that the impact of numerous magazine articles (he published more than 400) was important too, and reached a lot of people.

Tony Thompson

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Re: History of Substitution of Reefers for Box Cars service orders

John Barry
 

Al,

Sierra traffic was mostly outbound lumber loads.  Interesting that you have documentation on those individual cars.  I've discovered their annual reports to the California Railroad Commission.  For an overview of all of their 1945 traffic by carload and links to a spreadsheet listing them by commodity see my blog post at http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/07/sierra-rail-road-car-loadings-1945.html.
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682

Re: History of Substitution of Reefers for Box Cars service orders

Fri Jul 4, 2014 1:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Allan Smith" rrcars101

Reefers for Boxcars

I have conductors lists from the Sierra in 1952. They show three reefers loaded with cartons for Sonora. AMRX 50000, PFE 96144 AND MDT 5475.
They also show these cars went out empty because most of the loads leaving the Sierra were lumber loads.
Al Smith


Re: Steamtown Images

Ray Breyer
 


From: "'Richard Yoder' oscale48@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Steamtown Images

I know this is an old subject but - when did the Erie Switch from the
original wide gauge it started out with?
Rich Yoder



Re: Steamtown Images

Rich Yoder
 

I know this is an old subject but - when did the Erie Switch from the
original wide gauge it started out with?
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Steamtown Images

Here is the link.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-21-14/C4648.jpg

Great photos.



Take care,
Chuck Higdon- check out my FEC layout at
https://picasaweb.google.com/102920461774912857361









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Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:37 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steamtown Images





Can someone share a URL for direct access the Steamtown image collection?
Probably I missed something but could not find a link on the Steamtown
website.
Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
Hi Eric,

As far as I know, the entire collection is being posted to the EL list, five
a day.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL









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Re: Richard Hendrickson

Ian Cranstone
 

I can't say I knew Richard as well as many on this list, but like many, did benefit from his knowledge and his willingness to share.  On a few occasions I was able to send things back his way, from roster information to occasional photographs to assist his efforts.  Richard was always wonderful to correspond with, and I will miss his many postings, which always amazed me with their frequency and depth of knowledge which they displayed.

Like Tony, I was hoping that he would get started on that tank car book -- which in my case had a particular self interest.  Some years ago, Stafford Swain enlisted both of us in an effort to better understand the Canadian tank car fleet, and we hoped that Richard would explain much about tank cars to us.  I had hoped to ask Richard more questions as I learned more, and sadly I will not get that chance now.

I never did cross paths with Richard - between such distractions as employment, and a busy schedule with my dogs (sledding and agility), I find myself with few opportunities to get to conventions.  We have lost a tremendous asset to the hobby, and a truly inspirational man.  My condolences to his family, and I hope that some way can be found to have his collection of material somehow continue to benefit the hobby as a whole.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: Refrigerator cars

Allan Smith
 

Reefers for Boxcars


I have conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1952, they show three reefers used as boxcars. The load cartons. AMRX 50000, PFE 96144 and MDT 5475


Al Smith


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