Reading Ventilated Boxcar (was Re: Pressed Steel Car)
Benjamin Hom
Al Brown wrote:
"So the Reading had vent boxes, back in the day. Who'd have thought it?" Not that surprising. The PRR rostered small numbers of Class XM and XL produce boxcars equipped with ventilators, though they lacked the second screened door. Westerfield offers them in HO scale resin: https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=139 https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=34 NYC&HR also had a total of 1300 produce boxcars built in 1902, 1903 (no lot #s), and 1910 (Lot 242-P). The diagram doesn't indicate if these cars had second doors, but appears to show roof hatches and ventilation. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-138700.jpg Model Railroader ran plans in Gordon Odegard's "Philadelphia & Reading Ventilated Boxcar, 1901-1930's" in the July 1986 issue. Ben Hom
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Re: odd US military depressed center flat car
caboose9792@...
I leafed though the 1953 AAR book of loading diagrams for military
equipment in open top cars and didn't see any diagrams for depressed center car
loading and there is a note "Well hole and depressed center cars must not be
used without special permission from the railroads". I would suspect that
shipping anything "standard use" would go on a strait deck car. Everything from
tanks to uncrated motorcycles, buoys to barges, even about a half dozen ways to
load jeeps all have loading diagrams for flats and gons.
Mark Rickert
In a message dated 7/1/2014 9:12:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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Re: Color of Paper Used to Seal doors for Grain Shipments
Bill Welch
Clark, thank you for help me to clarify. Yes I am talking about the tape like stuff and no I am not certain the contents were grain. I could be showing my ignorance.
Bill Welch
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
Southern New Jersey had a lot of agriculture at one time. Don't forget the Reading went to Jersey too. It wasn't just anthracite in Pa. There was a nice article in the keystone a few back about all the agriculture products the Pennsy carried to the northeast from Delmarvia.
On Jul 6, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "abrown@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
earlyrail
Poking through Eric's amazing treasure trove, I came across an AAR car code I'd never heard of, and that isn't listed in my 1/1943 ORER: XV. What is this?From a 1916 ORER "XV - Box Car, Ventilated Similar to ordinary box, only haveing ventilation, and suitable for the transportation of produce and othe foodstuffs not needing refrigeration." just for further info "VS - Standard Ventilator. A car equipped with insulation, including insulated side, end and top openings, and ventilating deices without ice tanks." There is a difference Howard Garner --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
al_brown03
So the Reading had vent boxes, back in the day. Who'd have thought it? Wow.
AL B.
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
Ian Cranstone
On 2014-07-06, at 8:31 PM, abrown@... [STMFC] wrote:
Box Car, Ventilated. Similar to ordinary box, only having ventilation, and suitable for the transportation of produce or other foodstuffs not needing refrigeration. Ian Cranstone Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
Tony Thompson
Al Brown wrote:
Sounds like an ventilated box car, and in my 1929 ORER, that is what is shown. After WW II, that would be changed to AAR Class VA. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Color of Paper Used to Seal doors for Grain Shipments
riverman_vt@...
Dittoo that about teh Signode heavy paper grain doors. The first ones I ever saw had some sort of roughtly 1/2 in. metal strapping to give them additional strength with one placed near the bottom of teh door opening, another in the middle and one a bit below the mark beside the door indicating how high the particular type of grain could be loaded, given its volumetric density. Later on these straps evolved into the sort of fiber based strapping often seen in such uses today. The color of those that I saw were the typical brown of kraft paper as opposed to the lighter color of manila folders. Actually I thought that Manila Folders was the intended new name for the Boston Red Flops, as my father always refered to the team, once they move to the Phillipines!
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
al_brown03
Poking through Eric's amazing treasure trove, I came across an AAR car code I'd never heard of, and that isn't listed in my 1/1943 ORER: XV. What is this?
(P&R 19885-19924, built 1/1901: p 11 in the book. There may be more.). Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Color of Paper Used to Seal doors for Grain Shipments
This is the Jaeger paper seen from the interior side --
http://steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/oconnor/dssa17065main.html The black bands are 1/64 Chartpak tape, representing steel bands. I'd seen a prototype photo somewhere that showed the paper doors were sometimes secured with steel bands. Tim O'Connor
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Re: Tread on lateral roof walks on box cars
Evidently the Alan Wood Steel Co held the patent for diamond tread plate -- period. I never knew that but it makes sense that someone would have invented and patented tread plate. Using it to make running boards was basically an afterthought... Tim O' I believe it is called "Alan Wood Super Diamond". Alan Wood was a steel mill in Conshohocken, PA presumably served by both the RDG and PRR. For an approximation, try rubbing copper foil on top of a fine screen and then gluing or soldering to a core of some sort. Eric N.
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Re: Color of Paper Used to Seal doors for Grain Shipments
Clark Propst
Bill, are you talking about the tape-like stuff that covered the door edge
seams on the outside of the car? If so, are you sure the cars contained
grain?
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
I don't think the Alan Wood running boards were 'integral' with
the roof, i.e. I don't think they formed part of the roof itself. Here is the 1940 patent for the Alan Wood box car running boards, which is perforated steel tread plate. http://www.google.com/patents/US2279756 And here is the 1930 patent for the Alan Wood tank car running boards, also perforated steel tread plate. http://www.google.com/patents/US1889605 Tim O'Connor
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Re: Rolling my own, thanks to Bill Welch
Clark Propst
Tim, I have no MP decals nor do I have a use for them. The model I built
will become Des Moines and Central Iowa.
A decal source would be needed if Charlie feels the model is worth offering
to those in need.
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Decal order
Benjamin Scanlon
I cannot work out how to reply individually anymore on Yahoo but I have been waiting for an order seven months now.
Regards
Ben Scanlon
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Re: Color of Paper Used to Seal doors for Grain Shipments
I have a color picture of a Wilson reefer with the paper doors. The paper is the same color as the tape holding it on, except glossy or shiny. Tape appears to be the wide, tan masking type. It is in one of the NP color guide books, and have the page scanned if anyone is really interested.
I know the paper was used to seal doors on cars carrying flour. It would also be stapled to the inside of stock cars to protect hogs during cold weather. Aaron Gjermundson
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Richard Hendrickson as a person
dgconnery@...
Like so many have already related, Richard had a huge impact on my freight car modeling. I expect at least 1/3 of all the freight cars on my layout have a connection to Richard: Westrail kits, cars based on articles Richard wrote, cars I purchased from him when he was thinning his inventory or kits he contributed to. When I am modeling a freight car, in my mind Richard is looking over my shoulder and as I work through the project I find myself explaining to this image of him why I am doing things the way I am. But I will always primarily remember Richard for the exceptional human qualities he exhibited. I never knew him to pass work off onto others, what ever he did he did with quality and completeness and he seemed to always see things as if through the eyes of those around him. A couple of examples: A number of years ago Richard was unhappy with the quality of the photo coverage of the annual NMRA Region contest in the regional Newsletter. Rather than complain, he suggested he would take photos of top contest entries. For several years Richard showed up at the Regional Convention with all his photo gear and a small diorama for photographing track equipment. A week or two after the convention an envelop would show up with beautiful B&W photos of all the top models in the contest room (not just the freight cars), all apparently the product of Richard's darkroom. (This was in the era before digital, when pages would be pasted-up in hard copy and sent off to the printer.) Several times I went to Richard to get his ideas on a Convention Car that was prototypically correct and fit the Convention theme. Not only did he come up with ideas, but once we had agreed on a good candidate, he contacted the manufacturer, providing them with photos and number series, all with out anyone asking him to take on this added responsibility. One stormy night Richard and I bumped into each other at the baggage claim area in Madison, Wisc. on our way to an NMRA convention. We had apparently both been on the same hop from Chicago but had not noticed each other during boarding. He asked how I was getting to my hotel and replied I was going to grab a cab and he quickly said he had a rental car and would be happy to drop me off at my hotel, although it was nowhere near where he was staying.. Richard, I expect you will long be looking over my shoulder as I model but most of all I will remember you as an exceptionally fine human being. Dave Connery San Ramon, CA
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Re: Tread on lateral roof walks on box cars
Tony Thompson
Brian Carlson wrote:
The only reason I have ANY of their ear is because I have sent suggestions, complete with dimensional data, for their use. My impression is that they are most open to suggestions. Just drop them an email. They do already make a "diamond tread plate" decal. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Color of Paper Used to Seal doors for Grain Shipments
lstt100
Bill,
Thanks Doug for reference to my article. I also presented at RMJ in Naperville in 2006 about grain handling and 1992 on grain doors. Prior to 1911, grain was retained by loose lumber and various types of doors. A "Standard Temporary Grain Door, wooden, was developed and approved for use in November 1911. During November 1934 CB&Q, UP, MP, ATSF and MILW made further revisions to the AAR Standard Temporary grain door. At this time WWIB took over the coopering, accounting and reclaiming of wooden grain doors for member railroads. AAR Standard Grain Door was approved for use in November 1938. Keep in mind first paper grain doors were developed by Signode Corp in 1948, by Feb 1949 over 250,000 carloads of bulk commodities had been shipped using paper grain doors. Ford Grain Door, later International Stanley Co., entered paper grain door market in mid-50's. Later Omni Corp and Menasha entered market with their own paper grain doors which post date the list. Paper grain doors were in use during the time list is covering, however, shippers did not like them account the high percentage of leaking grain claims involved with the use of the doors. Given a choice, most elevators preferred the wooden grain doors. Unlike wooden grain doors, paper grain doors were a one time use item. Wooden grain doors were considered railroad property and most were stenciled with the owning railroads initials. This allow doors to be reclaimed by WWIB and shipped back to owning carriers for reuse. Dan Holbrook
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