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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Armand Premo
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Thank you very much.A.Premo
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Re: Fallen flags web-site...What happened?
MDelvec952
....Mike Del Vecchio
-----Original Message----- From: amwing1588@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Mon, Jul 7, 2014 7:06 pm Subject: [STMFC] Fallen flags web-site...What happened? Hi all,
Went to do some research on Geroge Elwoods "Fallen Flags" www.rr-fallenflags.org. ; web-site and found that it is no longer up and running. Any one know what happened? John Miller Folsom, CA.
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Re: NYC car type?
Seth Lakin
Clark as Dave pointed out, NYC boxcar characteristics of the day included the tow lugs at the bolsters. I use Detail Associates 1106 Alco PA/FA lift rings, they need a little squeeze to narrow them down a bit. I see that DA also offers a #6214 roping rings, they look the same as the lift rings but I don't have any to measure the difference, the LHS only stocks DA diesel parts so that is what usually comes home. Also one detail that are on NYC boxcars that are not represented on the Branchline kit are polling pockets. I drill them into the ends with a 1/16 drill. Be careful, one quarter twist too far, you'll end up with a hole instead of a cup. I show this technique in my article on modeling a NYC lot 858-B boxcar that is slated to run in the
next (Sept or Oct) NYCModeler, the free modeling ezine from the New York Central System Historical Society. Decals are a little hard to find. I suggest CDS dry transfer #459 which is for a NYC lot 763-B boxcar. While not quite the same, the data should be all correct, as it is an identical boxcar, just from a different builder. If you want a jade green car, Microscale should have everything you need. Seth Lakin Michigan City IN Member NYCHS Modeler's Committee
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Fallen flags web-site...What happened?
amwing1588@...
Hi all,
Went to do some research on Geroge Elwoods "Fallen Flags" www.rr-fallenflags.org. web-site and found that it is no longer up and running. Any one know what happened? John Miller Folsom, CA.
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Allan Smith
There is a photo of RDG 18700 in TS 75 page 395. It shows the roofwalk and no laterals. Also in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia vol #3 page 37 is a model color paint guide for steam era freight cars. It shows a Floquill formula of 50% #74 and #186. Of course now that Foquill is no longer available about any Red Brown mix will work.
On Monday, July 7, 2014 1:27 PM, "'A Premo' armprem2@...
[STMFC]" wrote: As an aside,what color would be a match for Reading
Boxcars in the steam era? Armand Premo
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Re: NYC car type?
Allan Smith
The Railmodel Journal Nov 99 Page 28 has pictures and construction details of the 164000-164999 Lot 759B boxcars. One photo is of the A end and the murphy roof. Also the various lettering schemes. Al Smith
On Monday, July 7, 2014 6:46 AM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" wrote: Clark Propst asked:
"Just found a car I’d like to model NYC 164202. Anyone have any idea if it’s something available, or kitbashable?" NYC 164000-164999, Lot 759-B, postwar 10 ft 6 in IH AAR boxcar, 6 ft door opening, 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends, rectangular panel roof. Branchline #1400 undec kit is your best starting point. http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/postwaraarpdf.html http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm Ben Hom
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Re: NYC car type?
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
I guess the main problem is that their lot system
makes their fleet seem very complex and even a bit scary. It's not very
intuitive.
Eric N.
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NYC ballast cars
Brad Andonian
Noel, I saw an image online of a NYC ballast car that was not a Hart Selective service. I am wondering if you can clarify what NYC operated during late steam era? Thanks, Brad
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Re: NYC car type?
Benjamin Hom
Eric Neubauer wrote:
"I don't think things are as gloomy as you think. Whenever I compile builder lists, the original identity and quantity are on the first line. Between the diagram books, Railway Age annual order summaries, and the ORER, I rarely have any trouble coming up with the primary information for NYCS cars. It only gets difficult when I get back to the wooden cars, but that's true for most railroads." You misunderstand me. I have no doubt that the details exist. As Clark's earlier comments illustrate, what's missing is an understanding of the big picture. For example, the casual modeler on this list knows what PRR boxcars are the most common thanks to the work done by many researchers, including Ian Fischer, Richard Burg, and others over the years. Nothing approaching even this coarse granularity exists for the NYCS. Everyone wants a magnum opus - it simply doesn't exist for the NYCS. Can anyone point to ANY source that shows proportions of cars that a modeler can use to build a fleet? How many USRA-design steel boxcars? How many prewar AAR boxcars? How many postwar AAR boxcars? Sadly, the answer is a resounding no. The details are there, but what needs to be done is someone to do the work putting all of the pieces together into a mosaic capturing the big picture. Ben Hom
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Re: NYC car type?
Rick Jesionowski
Use Control F to look up a car number in a series of cars. Works for me. Rick Jesionowski
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Re: NYC car type?
Michael Aufderheide
Clark,
Branchline did issue the series after this-Lot 763-B.....if you can find one on ebay, etc. It looks to be identical to the lot you asked about with the possible exception of handbrake and running board (per the Steam Era site table) I have car number 165289. Intermountain has done many series similar to these lots, but I don't know with which ends.
Regards,
Mike Aufderheide
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Re: Upgrading AHM Helium Cars
asychis@...
Bob, you are right, this is a great article. Jay did a great
job. The Amarillo Railroad Museum tried to get Exact Rails interested in
doing this model, but no interest so far. BTW, if anyone want real
information on these cars, we have an MHAX car sitting in the "back yard." Drop
by!
Jerry Michels
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Re: NYC car type?
Noel Widdifield
You can also get in touch with us at the NYCSHS. We have a very active Modeling Committee working on some of the issue you talk about. We use lot numbers to find the cars and then the equipment diagram books give us the road number for the lots. If you have specific questions you can direct them to us at NYCSHS@... and we can probably help you. Thanks, Noel Noel Widdifield NYCSHS Director Chair, NYCSHS Modeling Committee
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Re: NYC car type?
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
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Ben,
I don't think things are as gloomy as you think.
Whenever I compile builder lists, the original identity and quantity are on the
first line. Between the diagram books, Railway Age annual order summaries, and
the ORER, I rarely have any trouble coming up with the primary information for
NYCS cars. It only gets difficult when I get back to the wooden cars, but that's
true for most railroads.
Eric N.
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
The diamond plate definitely took the place of the
roof panel at least as far as RDG box car applications. So there were clearly
several ways of doing things. The RDG box cars are earlier than the X37B. RDG
class LOB and LOC were built in 1940 and
1941. Both had steel running boards, but the height to running boards is
different, 12'8.625 and 12-10 respectively. This probably reflects a change from
integral to separate running boards. Class NML built 1941 also had separate running boards, so it appears that sometime
between 1940 and 1941, RDG abandoned integral running boards. PRR X37B was built
in two batches 6=7-40 and 11-41=3-42.
Eric N.
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Super-Diamond was the trade name for the diamond tread plate material. The patented running boards were made from this material, but they were modified with the slot holes and optional 'flanges' around the holes for additional safety. Tim
I can add a couple of details. On the longitudinal running board, the ends are also folded down creating an upside down pan shape.
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
I can add a couple of details. On the longitudinal
running board, the ends are also folded down creating an upside down pan
shape. The roof panels have a flange where they meet the running board
and the flange goes up inside the inverted pan.
The 4-36 issue of RME has a photo essay of building
the XARa class icluding the roof under construction. It notes that the running
board will be welded on. It also says, "Alan-Wood Super-Diamond steel running
boards and roof platforms."
Construction is very similar to XMv. So, does
"Alan-Wood Super-Diamond" just refer to the diamond plate, or does it refer to
the running board? It's a bit ambiguous.
Eric N.
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Armand Premo
As an aside,what color would be a match for Reading
Boxcars in the steam era? Armand Premo
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Re: Pressed Steel Car
ed_mines
They still did last time I was there 20 years ago. Lots of farms right by the bridge to Delaware.
Jersey is called "the garden state" and I buy Jersey grown produce in the supermarket (I live in the eastern suburbs of NYC).
Ed Mines
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Re: Alan wood running boards (was Tread on lateral roof walks)
Armand Premo
As an aside, what is the
best color match for Reading steam era box cars?.Armand
Premo
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