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Re: Ventilated boxcar link

Guy Wilber
 

Tim & Tim,

Note the two different designs of truck side frames on the ACL car.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Ventilated boxcar link

Tim O'Connor
 

Thank you for all your information. Normally, I simply lurk and learn.
This is a chance to share some info. This link shows one of the ACL
ventilated boxcars in Akron, Ohio:

http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/82880/rec/7

The image date of 1948 was helpful in verifying a customer was still in
business on the AB&B RR.

Thanks again for all the great info!

Tim Moran
Akron, OH


Re: Richard Hendrickson

Richard Hendrickson
 

Dear Tom,
     Richard’s collection of 60,000 rolling stock photos is destined to go to the California State Railroad Museum, for sure, so everyone can access it.
Yours,
     Sandra
On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Tom Cataldo cataldotj@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


i know its too soon but i hope richard collection photo notes ect ect goes The California State Railroad Museum so all
enjoy what richard did

  tom


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Anthony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Denny Anspach wrote:

The Big Hole in his productive life, as many of his railroad friends and students might see it, was that he never produced a Magnum Opus, THE FREIGHT CAR BOOK, that would have summarized for posterity the vast amount of data that he accumulated over a lifetime of interest, and which only exists in part in widely scattered publications, most of which were low-volume (even by our standards) and defunct to boot. The high value of such accumulated knowledge and data only gains the high acclaim that posterity requires when it is actually published for wide critical review.   

I believe that it is safe to say that the  person closest to Richard in the sharing of railroad interests in general, and freight car interests in particular, is Tony Thompson; and at some appropriate and respectful time, I would hope that he might weigh in on how Richard would have liked to have made all of this knowledge available to those who follow..


       Denny, you are right in a way, and Richard did talk from time to time about a “big book,” to be all about tank cars. I believe he never really started, being a little daunted by the magnitude of the task, though I often tried to encourage to try a chapter and see if it would get him going. 
        But remember he DID do three books about Santa Fe freight cars, and most of the writing in the book he co-authored with Ed Kaminski, on Billboard Refrigerator Cars.
        I also think he felt that the impact of numerous magazine articles (he published more than 400) was important too, and reached a lot of people.

Tony Thompson




-- 
Thomas  j Cataldo




Sandra Hendrickson



Re: Tank Car Photos

jrs060@...
 

Tim,

            Really nothing unusual about the car, with the exception of the paint job perhaps, it's a General American Tank Car 
Corporation Model 1917 8k car. It's has the as delivered arch bar trucks, and the then standard KC brake cylinder/reservoir
placement set close toward the "B" end of the car. This puppy is arguable the most common standard tank of the steam
era, with thousands being built during the big expansion of the petroleum industry during the the early part of the last
century. Last I personally saw one, was in Mexico in 2000, lots of them were sold used south of the boarder during the 
1960s.   
                                                                                                                                                        Jerry Stewart


Re: More Beryl Ford collection Photos

mopacfirst
 

The two photos in the middle are of what I believe to be propane bullets.  You can still see these all over Mid-America at gas distribution facilities, where the propane or LPG is loaded onto (into) trucks for retail distribution.  They're called bullets because, um, they look like one, and perhaps because if you'd puncture one, that is what it would become.

They have no saddles because they are intended to be installed on concrete saddles built on site.

Fairly heavy loads, since the hemispherical heads are only used with higher pressure ratings.

Ron Merrick


Re: More Beryl Ford collection Photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

  Distillation columns / cracking towers spanning multiple flat cars.
   http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/3962/rec/7910

   --- A yellow SLSF #2023 GSC flat car. Listed series 2000-2172 in the 1959 ORER, 50 ton capacity.


    http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/12348/rec/4190
    http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/16091/rec/3801

     --- Appears to be an SLSF 95300 series 40' flat car -- Sunshine kits 45.4 to 45.6


    Note the last one appears to be on a C&O heavy-duty flat.
    http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/10514/rec/1000

    --- I think this is called a fractionation column (tapered part way up) but not sure


Tim O'Connor


Re: More Beryl Ford collection Photos

Tim O'Connor
 


Re: How do I contact Ted Culotta/Speed Witch Media?

Steve SANDIFER
 

______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] How do I contact Ted Culotta/Speed Witch Media?

 

Can anyone suggest a means of contacting Speedwitchmedia?  url, web address or?

Thanks,

Max Robin


How do I contact Ted Culotta/Speed Witch Media?

Max Robin
 

Can anyone suggest a means of contacting Speedwitchmedia?  url, web address or?

 

Thanks,

 

Max Robin


Re: TrainLife...

clipper841@att.net <clipper841@...>
 

the individual who actually ran, the site, left last year, and i'm
sure with business, being what it is, the owners (exact rail),
have their hands full, you might want to phone them, instead
mel perry

On Jul 9, 2014, at 7:58 AM, mitatech@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I've tried on several occasions for the last 2-3 years to contact ANYONE at TrainLife to see if they would like to have me scan some of the issues that I have (and they don't) and send them on to them never to hear a single word. While it is a great site and they may not have a web developer on staff (I sure that there is SOMEONE who would volunteer that works in the computer industry and has done websites in the past...like ME), unless their email system has been down for the past several years they seem to just ignore the offers for free help.



Re: More Beryl Ford collection Photos

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote: 
"PRR (!) flat with load - in Tulsa?!?"
http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/22376/rec/2517
 
PRR 474308, Class F30A.  Nothing weird about this at all - remember, during the steam to diesel transition era, general service flats were treated like general service boxcars, and empties were rounded up for the next load.
 
 
Ben Hom


More Beryl Ford collection Photos

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Photos

I can't give chapter and verse, but I do know that for most of the steam era Barnsdall (which was founded in Pennsylvania) had two refineries in Oklahoma, one in Barnsdall (of course) in Osage County, served by the Midland Valley, and a larger one in Okmulgee served by the Frisco and the Okmulgee Northern, a MV subsidiary.  The logo was a B in a square, hence the slogan "Be Square".

There are some more photos of Barnsdall cars in the Beryl Ford collection, but I do not have the catalog information.  Try other search terms besides freight car or tankcar, such as "factory"," Supply", "warehouse" or "refinery", or do what I do and just scan through the collection thumbnails page by page.  I made prints of several views of flatcars (and loads) and other goodies some years ago.  Rich Gibson tells me that new photos are now being added and sent me a view of the MV/MKT interchange in Tulsa dated 1929 (my time period).  Thanks Rich!

Jon Pansius


Re: TrainLife...

Rex Racer
 

I've tried on several occasions for the last 2-3 years to contact ANYONE at TrainLife to see if they would like to have me scan some of the issues that I have (and they don't) and send them on to them never to hear a single word. While it is a great site and they may not have a web developer on staff (I sure that there is SOMEONE who would volunteer that works in the computer industry and has done websites in the past...like ME), unless their email system has been down for the past several years they seem to just ignore the offers for free help.


Re: Tank Car Photos

Jonathan Pansius
 

I can't give chapter and verse, but I do know that for most of the steam era Barnsdall (which was founded in Pennsylvania) had two refineries in Oklahoma, one in Barnsdall (of course) in Osage County, served by the Midland Valley, and a larger one in Okmulgee served by the Frisco and the Okmulgee Northern, a MV subsidiary.  The logo was a B in a square, hence the slogan "Be Square".

There are some more photos of Barnsdall cars in the Beryl Ford collection, but I do not have the catalog information.  Try other search terms besides freight car or tankcar, such as "factory"," Supply", "warehouse" or "refinery", or do what I do and just scan through the collection thumbnails page by page.  I made prints of several views of flatcars (and loads) and other goodies some years ago.  Rich Gibson tells me that new photos are now being added and sent me a view of the MV/MKT interchange in Tulsa dated 1929 (my time period).  Thanks Rich!

Jon Pansius


Re: Richard...on the "lighter" side

Tom Madden
 

I first met Richard in the early '90s when he came to our house for dinner. I had bought a number of WestRail kits and castings from him, which led to an extended correspondence (actual mailed letters) on our mutual interest in resin casting. His daughter was at the University of Colorado, and when he mentioned he would be visiting her, I immediately extended an invitation. He arrived, this genial, round-faced man with the twinkling eyes, bearing a very nice bottle of wine. Naturally.


After introductions and the exchange of pleasantries, Gail set out to finish preparing dinner and I ushered Richard into my workshop. I had placed a string of nice, but not Culotta/Welch nice, freight car models on a shelf at eye level. He said, "Ah!", and proceeded to silently examine them very closely for what seemed like ten minutes, but was probably no more than four. I waited expectantly for what I hoped would be words of ... praise? approval? wisdom? What I got was "The panels under those reefer doors should be black, not red." I was momentarily taken aback, and then he added "Otherwise, those are excellent models." That was Richard, always with a word of encouragement, never hesitant to offer suggestions for improving your modeling. Naturally.


Tom Madden


Re: Parts Questions and an Oh, by the way

brianleppert@att.net
 

John, "Dual Control" was an option available for National's B-1 truck.  HO scale trucks for this are offered by Kadee and Athearn (part #90402).  "Snub-Up" was sold by the Railway Truck Corp. and was a friction snubbing design to control harmonic oscillations.  Available as either "Snub-Up Snubber" which replaced the spring package or "Snub-Up Truck Unit" that was built into the truck bolster.  Either could be equipped on any standard AAR truck, so a photo would be needed to match this truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV 


---In STMFC@..., <johnsykesiii@...> wrote :

Two parts questions:


First, does anyone know of a source of Buckeye boxcar ends?  I thought SpeedWitch had them on some Erie models, but no longer see them on Ted's website and don't know if they were ever available separately.  Could sure use some that fit a 1932 ARA boxcar like a Branchline or Intermountain model (I know that Atlas makes a model of the 32 boxcar with Buckeye ends and Viking roof, but don't know how accurate it is otherwise).


Second, two of the Erie boxcars I am detailing have oddball trucks.  One is a "Snub-up" truck and the other is a "Dual Control" truck.  Obviously neither is made in HO, but what would be a good substitute for each out of commonly available models?


As an "Oh, by the way."  I have put together rosters of Erie and DL&W freight cars from both the 1954 and 1958 ORERs (with side-by-side comparisons for growth vs.decline).  Any interest in me posting them here in the files section?  I am just finishing adding the 1956 Erie diagram book Group and Sheet numbers to the list, but should be mostly finished with that in a few days (note that these references do not apply to the cars in the 1958 roster that were purchased after 1956).


-- John



Re: Tank Car Photos

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Tim,

 

Barnsdall’s fleet of 1072 tank cars were purchased by UTLX in 1933.  The story is told in Carr’s book about the gentleman’s agreement on the sales price where UTLX rebated a quarter of million on the sale because they actually got more business results on the purchase than they thought they would.

 

I think that the photo shows a K brake, not AB.  But it is good to find a photo.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Photos

 

 

Bob

If Richard were still here, I'm sure he could give us chapter and verse on the history of Barnsdall Oil.

http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15020coll1&CISOPTR=12340&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=800&DMHEIGHT=554

The car has AB brakes, and a fancy paint job, but ancient arch bar trucks!

My wild guess is sometime in the 1920's or possibly 1930's.

Tim O'Connor




 Courtesy of the Tulsa City-County Library Digital Collections
  
http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/   here are some steam era images of tank cars and tank car scenes.

  Regrettably, the documentation for the images is rather scant.
  Bob Chaparro
  Hemet, CA

 
http://cdm15020.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15020coll1/id/12340/rec/1


Re: Carmen cut levers

Michael Watnoski
 

Correction.  That's 9 assorted pairs.  The full description follows:

8053
       Carmer Cut Levers in HO scale, part #8053.  The levers are
made as a single piece, as requested by those who responded to my
request for preferences.  The design is created from PRR drawings
posted in the files section of the Steam Era Freight Cars mail list on
Yahoo Groups.  A bending guide is enclosed with each package.
Each package has nine sets of levers in the following quantities.
(Types are for reference only and not official designations)

1 ea Type A, 2 ea Type B, 2 ea Type C, 3 ea Type D, and 1 ea Type
E.

        These are the descriptions for the types:

    A)      #1 Handle with #1 Operating Lever as
            used on
            GL, GLC, GS, GSA, (GSC and GSD prior
            to 1915), KF, KFA, XL, XLB, XLC, XLH

    B)      #1 Handle with #2 Operating Lever as
            used on:
            FM, F22, GLA, GP, GPA, GR, GRA, H21A,
            H22, XLA

    C)      #2 Handle with #3 Operating Lever as
            used on:
            G21, G23, H24, H25, H26, K7, X23, X25

    D)      #17 Handle with #16 Operating Lever as
            used on:
            X29, X28A

    E)      #14 Handle with #21 Operating lever as
            used on:
            G24, X26 (USRA boxcar)

        Other types of cars can use these with slight bending or
trimming.  Extra length is added to all operating levers to
accommodate model couplers, if needed.  The price is $20,
postpaid, for the nine pairs of levers.

    Let me know if you would like a full listing of my products.

Michael Watnoski


On 7/8/2014 11:06 PM, Michael Watnoski wrote:
Free State Systems can be contacted at freestatesystems1@... .  The Carmer lever sets are still $20 for 8 asst pairs.

Michael Watnoski
On 7/8/2014 8:48 PM, Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC] wrote:
Jack, can you offer an email address for Free State Systems?
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:09 PM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

They are available from Free State Systems:

 

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/freest/carcut-rtecrdmain.html

 

The owner of Free State Systems is also a member of this chat list and I'm not sure if the price is still correct.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 4:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Carmen cut levers

 




The IC and several other RR's used Carmen cut levers on their freight cars. I have need of about 10 sets of these levers for the cars on my Sierra RR list. Does anyone know where I can find this product?

Al Smith








Re: Carmen cut levers

Michael Watnoski
 

Free State Systems can be contacted at freestatesystems1@... .  The Carmer lever sets are still $20 for 8 asst pairs.

Michael Watnoski

On 7/8/2014 8:48 PM, Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC] wrote:
Jack, can you offer an email address for Free State Systems?
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:09 PM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

They are available from Free State Systems:

 

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/freest/carcut-rtecrdmain.html

 

The owner of Free State Systems is also a member of this chat list and I'm not sure if the price is still correct.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 4:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Carmen cut levers

 




The IC and several other RR's used Carmen cut levers on their freight cars. I have need of about 10 sets of these levers for the cars on my Sierra RR list. Does anyone know where I can find this product?

Al Smith







Re: Parts Questions and an Oh, by the way

Brian Carlson
 

John: The Atlas 1932 ARA car is very accurate for the Erie. I reviewed it for the Diamond and showed the corrections needed to make it even more accurate. I send you my text but I lost it in a hard drive crash. The major change was to the layout of the underbody components. Yankee clipper (cast by F&C) offered a resin kit at one time for the 1932 ARA car with separate ends. Ted did not have Buckeye ends. Not there are two different type one like the 1932 end had the panel seam between the outward bulges. The earlier version on cars similar to 1923 ARA had the seam on a bulge. See RPC 18 for photos.

 

I’d need to see photos of the trucks to help with that.

 

Regarding your rosters I would be interested. However, you may have figured this out, when I was studying Erie Rosters in 2008, I learned the Erie would often renumber cars for specific shippers and pools. A series that was delivered with 500 cars many show 400 cars later with another 100 renumbered for something, later 50 of the 100 would go to another series. This was very confusing to track. I was trying to work with all boxcars in the postwar era. I eventually shelved this project for my study of boxcars from 1957 which I eventually presented at Naperville, Cocoa Beach, and Greensburg RPMs.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Parts Questions and an Oh, by the way

 

 

Two parts questions:

 

First, does anyone know of a source of Buckeye boxcar ends?  I thought SpeedWitch had them on some Erie models, but no longer see them on Ted's website and don't know if they were ever available separately.  Could sure use some that fit a 1932 ARA boxcar like a Branchline or Intermountain model (I know that Atlas makes a model of the 32 boxcar with Buckeye ends and Viking roof, but don't know how accurate it is otherwise).

 

Second, two of the Erie boxcars I am detailing have oddball trucks.  One is a "Snub-up" truck and the other is a "Dual Control" truck.  Obviously neither is made in HO, but what would be a good substitute for each out of commonly available models?

 

As an "Oh, by the way."  I have put together rosters of Erie and DL&W freight cars from both the 1954 and 1958 ORERs (with side-by-side comparisons for growth vs.decline).  Any interest in me posting them here in the files section?  I am just finishing adding the 1956 Erie diagram book Group and Sheet numbers to the list, but should be mostly finished with that in a few days (note that these references do not apply to the cars in the 1958 roster that were purchased after 1956).

 

-- John

 

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