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Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

There appear to be yokes on the oxen, but they are tough to see given the graininess of the photo/scan.  In addition, it is unlikely that oxen would stand in such a way, if they were not yoked!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:32 AM, RUTLANDRS@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



    This very well could have occurred but I se no yokes or and kind of harness on the oxen.
Chuck Hladik
 
In a message dated 7/23/2014 9:27:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

In reference to the photo at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054


It is certainly possible that the oxen are being used as a car puller.  They would most likely pull from one corner and that would be the closest to the camera, thus any connection between the hitch of oxen and the car would be hidden.  Additionally, the oxen may well be standing there in between pulling cars.  It does make sense that hitches such as this would be used to move cars in the days before electric car winches.

Regards
Bruce


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Charles Hladik
 

    This very well could have occurred but I se no yokes or and kind of harness on the oxen.
Chuck Hladik
 
In a message dated 7/23/2014 9:27:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

In reference to the photo at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054


It is certainly possible that the oxen are being used as a car puller.  They would most likely pull from one corner and that would be the closest to the camera, thus any connection between the hitch of oxen and the car would be hidden.  Additionally, the oxen may well be standing there in between pulling cars.  It does make sense that hitches such as this would be used to move cars in the days before electric car winches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Peter Burr pburr47@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar. I don't really see any traces or other harness, but they are all lined up as if in harness. Nice postcard :-)

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Bruce Smith
 

In reference to the photo at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054

It is certainly possible that the oxen are being used as a car puller.  They would most likely pull from one corner and that would be the closest to the camera, thus any connection between the hitch of oxen and the car would be hidden.  Additionally, the oxen may well be standing there in between pulling cars.  It does make sense that hitches such as this would be used to move cars in the days before electric car winches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Peter Burr pburr47@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar. I don't really see any traces or other harness, but they are all lined up as if in harness. Nice postcard :-)



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Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Peter Burr <pburr47@...>
 

It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar. I don't really see any traces or other harness, but they are all lined up as if in harness. Nice postcard :-)


Re: PRR and NYC

Jack Mullen
 

Ben, I'm surprised you didn't remind Schuyler that there are no dashes in PRR classes. Surely he should have written "Hsomethings" instead of "H-somethings" ;>) Jack Mullen


Re: SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

If it is a defect card holder, Free State Systems has some in photo-etched
brass:

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/freest/carcut-rte
crdmain.html

Jack Burgess


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<This is used on SF freight equipment from boxcars to gondolas. I think
<that it might be a defective card holder. It has a flange on the sides
<with a rivit for attachment.
<The front is sloped with a notch on the bottom. It appears to be about
<4 X6 inches and appears best on refers as it is painted black like the
<rest of the hardware.
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<Does anyone know if a casting was ever produced for this item? It is
<easy to produce, however, I have many cars.
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L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen.

www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054

Enjoy - Claus Schlund


Re: SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

Benjamin Hom
 

Pierre Oliver wrote:
"The best way maybe is to wait for Yarmouth Model Works to release their ATSF Bx-48 thru to Bx-63 All will have Royal slack adjustors and we could easily be persuaded to sell more.
Projected release Fall 2014"
 
Have a bunch of ATSF boxcars on the build list - I can wait for both the kits and parts!


 
 
Ben Hom


Re: SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

Pierre Oliver
 

The best way maybe is to wait for Yarmouth Model Works to release their ATSF Bx-48 thru to Bx-63 All will have Royal slack adjustors and we could easily be persuaded to sell more.
Projected release Fall 2014
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 7/22/2014 3:36 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

While on the subject of signature Santa Fe freight car hardware, what's the best way to model the Royal F Brake Regulator?  Would there be a market for a detail part?
 
Ben Hom 



Re: SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

Benjamin Hom
 

While on the subject of signature Santa Fe freight car hardware, what's the best way to model the Royal F Brake Regulator?  Would there be a market for a detail part?
 
Ben Hom


SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

There is a piece of hardware on Santa F freight cars that has rarely been modeled.
It appears on the right side of the car (facing the B end) and just above the left truck.
This is used on SF freight equipment from boxcars to gondolas. I think that it might
be a defective card holder. It has a flange on the sides with a rivit for attachment.
The front is sloped with a notch on the bottom. It appears to be about 4 X6 inches
and appears best on refers as it is painted black like the rest of the hardware.

Does anyone know if a casting was ever produced for this item? It is easy to produce,
however, I have many cars.

Bill Pardie


Re: Westerfield roofs, again

dahminator68
 

Hello Mr. Valentine:  Thank you for resending your message.  The most recent Westerfield Kits, Series 12200 & 12300: AT&SF Sk-M/O Stock cars actually do have One piece roofs as designed by Charlie Slater.
 
As they are now, they use a lot of resin, which raises the cost.  We will look into an alternative method to cast roofs in a similar manner but with less material.
 
Perhaps some of you could let me know which of the Westerfield Series Kits are more in need of  a "new" roof casting.
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...

From: "Don Valentine riverman_vt@... [STMFC]"
To: "stmfc@..."
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:43 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield roofs, again

 
2d Re: Westerfield roofs... Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jack Burgess"

yvrrus Andrew is on this list and is interested in working together on something along this line...

Jack Burgess

From: resinfreightcars@... [mailto:resinfreightcars@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 2:31 PM
To: resinfreightcars@...
Subject: Re: [resinfreightcars] Re: Westerfield roofs...

Perhaps Andrew is on this list. It would make sense if he would offer them as this assembly would then reach a larger audience. Nonetheless very clever Jack!

Bill Welch

---- "O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [resinfreightcars]" wrote:
> Jack it would be interesting if Westerfield would make these and sell them
> as upgrades. I'd certainly buy a few...or more depending on how many housr
> car kits I have to build
>
> --
> Fenton Wells
> 5 Newberry Lane
> Pinehurst NC 28374

We discussed this what, two years ago? Would it not be better to convince Andrew to cast the roofs in one piece to begin with, eliminate the nonsense and, I'll wager, dramatically increase te sale of his kits??? I have known Al and Patricia Westerfield since they lived years ago in Goshen, NY and even distributed the line for a time. The single greatest complaint ever heard when doing so was about the two piece roofs, which I could never convince Al to
change, though I was one of many who convinced him to change materials. The roof issue and that issue alone are
what promted me to give up the line. It simply killed sales that otherwise could have been made.

Cordially, Don Valentine




Westerfield roofs, again

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

2d Re: Westerfield roofs... Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jack Burgess"

yvrrus Andrew is on this list and is interested in working together on something along this line...

Jack Burgess

From: resinfreightcars@... [mailto:resinfreightcars@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 2:31 PM
To: resinfreightcars@...
Subject: Re: [resinfreightcars] Re: Westerfield roofs...

Perhaps Andrew is on this list. It would make sense if he would offer them as this assembly would then reach a larger audience. Nonetheless very clever Jack!

Bill Welch

---- "O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [resinfreightcars]" <resinfreightcars@...> wrote:
Jack it would be interesting if Westerfield would make these and sell them
as upgrades. I'd certainly buy a few...or more depending on how many housr
car kits I have to build

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374

We discussed this what, two years ago? Would it not be better to convince Andrew to cast the roofs in one piece to begin with, eliminate the nonsense and, I'll wager, dramatically increase te sale of his kits??? I have known Al and Patricia Westerfield since they lived years ago in Goshen, NY and even distributed the line for a time. The single greatest complaint ever heard when doing so was about the two piece roofs, which I could never convince Al to
change, though I was one of many who convinced him to change materials. The roof issue and that issue alone are
what promted me to give up the line. It simply killed sales that otherwise could have been made.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Sunshine 34.25-24.26 Instructions

Bill Welch
 

I dispense Modelflex Reefer Yellow into one of the small Testers glass jars and add a smidgen of Modelflex Oxide Red to tone the yellow down.

Bill Welch


Re: The travels of SR auto/box car 12220

Scott Pitzer
 

Did this come from the archives of Paul Harvey News and Comment?

Scott Pitzer............. good DAY!



-------- Original message --------
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The travels of SR auto/box car 12220
From: "Tom Baker bakert@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
CC: Re: [STMFC] The travels of SR auto/box car 12220


 


> SR auto/box car 12220 arrived in Portland, OR in need of some help in 1948.
> Apparently it had suffered a side swipe collision which damaged the grabs on
> the right side. Crews in in Portland replaced the grabs but they noticed
> that they had difficulty matching the color of the paint on the side of the
> car. They were very concerned about their inability to provide a good match
> with the paints they had. Given the need to return the car, however, the
> crew elected to mix some paints at hand and painted the grabs. The car was
> then loaded with lumber and attached to an SP train headed south. By the
> time it had ventured through various tunnels and arrived


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Re: ATSF Bx-27 in series 138000-138499

mopacfirst
 

Found one.  I'd forgotten about the terrible Intermountain coupler boxes, so it turns out that the car has Kadee coupler boxes (with #5 couplers, given the age of the model) which seemingly fit against the existing underframe end and thus extend out about the right amount.

From the underside, the car just looks like it has one less crossbearer than a normal ARA/AAR boxcar.  Trucks are Accurail.

Additional modeling notes:  Santa Fe was pretty good about lowering tackboards, after 1954, but wood running boards were not normally changed so you're in good shape there.

Ron Merrick


Re: Ridge pole roof support

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I was going attach that photo but forgot before hitting Send...it should be
attached this time and also on the Yahoo STMFC page.

If you aren't on the Resin Freight Car list, Andy's reference to me may not
make a lot of sense. I few days ago, I posted an alternative to the roof
truss assembly required for the Westerfield kits before the "one piece body"
kits became available for at least some of the cars. My solution involved a
flat piece of styrene which fit inside the "box" of a box car. Styrene
trusses (the same shape as the kit ones) are glued to the flat piece of
styrene to recreate the roof truss assembly.

But that post resulted in a new approach...making a roof truss assembly
using 3D CAD and rapid prototyping. It is sized to have the roof overhang
the sides and ends. After gluing the roof to the truss, the whole thing is
dropped into place, the sides and ends evened up, the a bead of CA at the
seam holds everything in place.

I've uploaded this file to Shapeways and the part would cost $3.73 plus
shipping. The next step will be to see if it works as hoped but that won't
happen until the first of August when the part is shipped.

Jack Burgess


Andy wrote:
I've posted a new photo in my album "Andy S freight cars" in the photo
section of the Yahoo STMFC pages. It's an adaptation of an idea borrowed
from Bill Darnaby, and it's a simpler approach than the roof structure
recently shown by Jack Burgess. Jack is a better craftsman than I am, but
this is a reliable roof support structure that I can produce quickly and
easily. I also find it easier to install than the typical kit parts. [snip]


Sunshine 34.25-24.26 Instructions

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I’m trying to salvage the three Sunshine kits that were supposed to be BREX wartime plywood side reefer kits, but were sent with FGE/WFE postwar steel sides. I need the instruction sheet for Sunshine kit 34.25-34.36 to figure out the roof details, especially the ice hatch support system. The available photos don’t show the roof. Two different roof castings were supplied with these kits, one with molded hatch support blocks, and one without any supports. I’d appreciate a scan of the instruction sheet, a mailed photocopy, or even a description of the hatch supports. I’m cobbling together two FGE and one WFE postwar steel side reefers from the parts supplied, and I’m using Speedwitch decals for the lettering, since Sunshine supplied BREX decals.

 

So far nobody has offered any information about FGE, WFE, and BRE side color, specifically is Tru-Color WFE Yellow correct for WFE and FGE. I’d prefer not to make the School Bus Yellow mistake referenced in some earlier posts.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

 


Re: Ridge pole roof support

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

If you aren't on the Resin Freight Car list, Andy's reference to me may not make a lot of sense. I few days ago, I posted an alternative to the roof truss assembly required for the Westerfield kits before the "one piece body" kits became available for at least some of the cars. My solution involved a flat piece of styrene which fit inside the "box" of a box car. Styrene trusses (the same shape as the kit ones) are glued to the flat piece of styrene to recreate the roof truss assembly.



But that post resulted in a new approach...making a roof truss assembly using 3D CAD and rapid prototyping. Here is a screen grab of that solution:



Roof Truss.JPG



It is sized to have the roof overhang the sides and ends. After gluing the roof to the truss, the whole thing is dropped into place, the sides and ends evened up, the a bead of CA at the seam holds everything in place.



I've uploaded this file to Shapeways and the part would cost $3.73 plus shipping. The next step will be to see if it works as hoped but that won't happen until the first of August when the part is shipped.



Jack Burgess



I've posted a new new photo in my album "Andy S freight cars" in the photo section of the Yahoo STMFC pages. It's an adaptation of an idea borrowed from Bill Darnaby, and it's a simpler approach than the roof structure recently shown by Jack Burgess. Jack is a better craftsman than I am, but this is a reliable roof support structure that I can produce quickly and easily. I also find it easier to install than the typical kit parts. [snip]


Re: BOXCAR PAINT MIX

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Mark,



Good luck on Vol. 3. The last time I saw it on eBay, it was part of a set
that included Vol. 1-3, and I stopped bidding at $120. I saw Vol. 3 listed
once at Ron's Books for $125. If you want it for the freight car paint
chart, keep in mind that most of the mixes used the original Floquil R
numbers. I don't have the book, but I have a scan of the chart if you want
it. I think you would do better using Tru-Color paints, assuming they have
released the colors you need.



Nelson Moyer



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 3:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] BOXCAR PAINT MIX





Unfortunately RP CYC Volume 3 is sold out. If anyone has volumes 2 and or 3
they would like to sell please contact me off list.







Mark

<mailto:mark@...> mark@...



From: WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC]
[mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:27 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] BOXCAR PAINT MIX





I appreciated all of the varying responses to my inquiry on matching
prepainted
freight car models. Pat's article in Volume 3 of the RPC CYC was very
helpful.
Incidently Pat also did an article in one of the old Model Railraoding
magazines
which also addressed this issue.

I unfortuantely do not have an eye that can determine if a color needs a
little more
red or orange to do a paint match. All of my rolling stock is weathered. I
find it
best (for myself anyway) to begin the process with a car that has a good
uniform
paint job. IMHO weathering should never be used to cover up flaws in the
paint
or poor modeling.

Many of us now exchange the roofs on Intermountain models with Red Caboose
roofs
because the RC roof is much more accurate. We also readily exchange doors in
order to better represent the railroad that we are modeling (The factory
finished
models do not always come with the proper door for the proper railroad). It
seems
better to have these additions match the original paint job as opposed to
making up
a story about the revision being done after the car had been in service.

I have gotten many good paint mixes from people on this list. A Northern
Pacific
color was achieved with a mix of Folquil Boxcar Red and Floquil D&H Caboose
Red (Who would have thought of D&H Caboose Red?). It looks really good on
the Central Valley stock car in my production line. Jeff English provided an
excellent mix for New York Central boxcars. I have used with great success
Greg Martins +Red and +Orange system of shading panels. I was just hoping
that someone might already have achieved a mix for the basic Intermountain
car.

Well I just have to make time to sit down and start mixing.

Thanks To All:

Bill Pardie

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