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Wabash 12 panel welded boxcar

Pierre Oliver
 

Morning all,
The pilot model for the next Yarmouth Model Works release is done.
You can see a photo on my blog, http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/
The kit will be for sale on the Yarmouth Model Works website once I return from the Collinsville RPM. I expect to have a few kits of this car to sell in Collinsville, just waiting on the casting elves.
As always, with projects like this, I'm indebted to so many people who help out along the way. Without the support and the free exchange of data it would not be possible for me to offer these kits. So be sure and thank your local railroad historian the next time you see him. They give so much and only ask for a simple "Thank you".

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

caboose9792@aol.com <caboose9792@...>
 

They were used in locations were use of steem locomotives would be disruptive. Seems like baltamore harbor had some horse powered opperations. Im at break at work so i cant look at my refrance materal.

mark rickert
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Early form of local-industry-owned switch-engine. Could be a "Teamster Union" clarification needed here.Paul Hillman ----- Original Message ----- From: mark caboose9792@... [STMFC]<mailto:caboose9792@...%20[STMFC]> To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen OK why? One guy with a track bar or a few guys pushing could do the same work faster than time it takes to put the team together. Mark Rickert -----Original Message----- From: 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@...<mailto:claus@...> [STMFC] <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> To: STMFC <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> Sent: Tue, Jul 22, 2014 03:41 PM Subject: [STMFC] L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen Hi List Members, L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen. www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054<http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054> Enjoy - Claus Schlund


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

John Larkin
 

On level ground, yes.  However, if there is a curve involved, which might be looking at the picture, or a grade, that's an entirely different matter.  I have an old message from UP that calls on the trainmaster to tell an industry to stop using horses to switch cars because of union complaints, so animals pulling cars weren't entirely unheard of.

John Larkin


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Paul Hillman
 


Early form of local-industry-owned switch-engine. Could be a "Teamster Union" clarification needed here.
 
Paul Hillman
 
 

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OK why? One guy with a track bar or a few guys pushing could do the same work faster than time it takes to put the team together.



Mark Rickert


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Sent: Tue, Jul 22, 2014 03:41 PM
Subject: [STMFC] L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen


 

Hi List Members,

L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen.

www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054

Enjoy - Claus Schlund


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

mark <caboose9792@...>
 

OK why? One guy with a track bar or a few guys pushing could do the same work faster than time it takes to put the team together.


Mark Rickert


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Sent: Tue, Jul 22, 2014 03:41 PM
Subject: [STMFC] L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen


 

Hi List Members,

L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen.

www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054

Enjoy - Claus Schlund


Re: Chesapeake and Ohio Decals

David
 

Morning Sun C&O Color Guide has 12100 and 13130 with the straight-line For Progress logo.

David Thompson


Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

arved_grass
 

I feel pretty dumb missing the three listings on the Protocraft sight. Thanks to all who helped point me in the right direction, and especially those who forwarded me photos.

The paint scheme Intermountain used on the 1945 built modified AARs is it. With one exception. The cars were evidently delivered with retroreflective dots on the side sills. Evidently the only order of Rock Island boxcars that got them.

Thanks again to all!

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: Chesapeake and Ohio Decals

water.kresse@...
 

Ken,
 
Have you seen pictures of these cars with newer than the 1931 AMC repaints?  What C&O series are you referring to.  Attached picture is from 1951.
 
Al Kresse

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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:47:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Chesapeake and Ohio Decals

 


I'm contemplating a scratch build of a C&O boxcar rebuild (ex Hocking Valley) and need decals for post WWII late 40's scheme with the C&O for Progress herald. Can anyone direct me to a source?



Thanks in advance


Ken Roth




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Re: Need Help With Built Date: HPCX 1200-1210

Rex Racer
 

Thanks to both of you for the response. Since the cars were used to carry explosives they were all made out of wood with steel underframes. I think that you will be able to see the cars (in N scale at least) in the next couple of months.

Jeff Maurer
Sacramento Valley NTrak


Chesapeake and Ohio Decals

Ken Roth
 

I'm contemplating a scratch build of a C&O boxcar rebuild (ex Hocking Valley) and need decals for post WWII late 40's scheme with the C&O for Progress herald. Can anyone direct me to a source?

Thanks in advance

Ken Roth


Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

John Barry
 

Arved,

Scroll down the page to the RI entries.


John Barry

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 3:55 AM PDT arved_grass@... [STMFC] wrote:

I was unfamiliar with that site, Al. Thank you. I'll bookmark it for future reference.

However, looking at their list of box car decals:

http://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Categoryid=20 http://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Categoryid=20

I couldn't find any listings for Rock Island (CRI&P) box cars. I hate to have to ask to have my hand held, but could you post a link to the decals you're talking about?

Thank you,
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


---In STMFC@..., <smithal9@...> wrote :

Have you tried the Protocraft web site? They make O scale decals but their descriptions for the series of cars and paint schemes are very accurate. They have three sets for Rock Island from 1940-1950's with prototype photos. I think you will find what you are looking for there.
Al Smith













Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

Todd Horton
 

I don’t know if I would 100% trust them as a reference. I can’t speak for the RI but they have some information wrong about C of G freight cars on their site.    Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

 

 

I was unfamiliar with that site, Al. Thank you. I'll bookmark it for future reference.

However, looking at their list of box car decals:

http://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Categoryid=20

I couldn't find any listings for Rock Island (CRI&P) box cars. I hate to have to ask to have my hand held, but could you post a link to the decals you're talking about?

Thank you,
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida



---In STMFC@..., <smithal9@...> wrote :

Have you tried the Protocraft web site? They make O scale decals but their descriptions for the series of cars and paint schemes are very accurate. They have three sets for Rock Island from 1940-1950's with prototype photos. I think you will find what you are looking for there. 

Al Smith

 

 

 


Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

arved_grass
 

I was unfamiliar with that site, Al. Thank you. I'll bookmark it for future reference.

However, looking at their list of box car decals:

http://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Categoryid=20

I couldn't find any listings for Rock Island (CRI&P) box cars. I hate to have to ask to have my hand held, but could you post a link to the decals you're talking about?

Thank you,
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


---In STMFC@..., <smithal9@...> wrote :

Have you tried the Protocraft web site? They make O scale decals but their descriptions for the series of cars and paint schemes are very accurate. They have three sets for Rock Island from 1940-1950's with prototype photos. I think you will find what you are looking for there. 
Al Smith





Re: Reading XAd Running Board

Armand Premo
 


Contact F&C,They are very good about replacing missing or faulty parts.Armand Premo

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Hello,


I have an F and C kit the running board in the kit is completely smooth.  Does anybody know what kind of running board it is suppose to have?  I am guessing they put the master in upside down or maybe it is suppose to be smooth not sure.


I am planning on making a run down to Caboose this weekend so I can probably find something is I knew the style.


Thank you,

Scott McDonald

 

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Reading XAd Running Board

Scott
 

Hello,


I have an F and C kit the running board in the kit is completely smooth.  Does anybody know what kind of running board it is suppose to have?  I am guessing they put the master in upside down or maybe it is suppose to be smooth not sure.


I am planning on making a run down to Caboose this weekend so I can probably find something is I knew the style.


Thank you,

Scott McDonald

 


Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

Allan Smith
 

Have you tried the Protocraft web site? They make O scale decals but their descriptions for the series of cars and paint schemes are very accurate. They have three sets for Rock Island from 1940-1950's with prototype photos. I think you will find what you are looking for there. 
Al Smith


On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:36 PM, "arved_grass@... [STMFC]" wrote:
 


 
I'm sorry if this question has been asked before (particularly if this question has been asked ad nauseam), but I can't figure out how to search the archives in the current Yahoo web interface.

I've been looking at Ed Hawkins' box car tabulations, and became interested in Rock Island's 40' PS-1 boxcars.

The "100 years of Progress" scheme seems to have been very popular among model manufacturers, and seems to be appropriate for those built in November and December 1951 (21000-21759, 21750-22249. and 22250-26499, 2000 cars total). However, I'm curious what paint scheme the first series of PS-1s were decorated in, 25500-26499. 1000 cars built August 1948, and just as importantly, what decal set is appropriate for these cars

I'm not a Rock Island modeler, so my research resources are limited. I've found very little on the web about these cars (as far as the prototype goes)..

I've asked around a bit. One friend said "My guess would be they came like the 1945 built modified '37's in Rocket Freight."

If Intermountain Railway is accurate, the 11-41 built modified 1937 AAR box cars were painted in the Rocket Freight scheme, and the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars came in a much more simplified paint scheme, with only the "Beaver Pelt" logo to the right of the door:

Built 11-41:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45824.htm

Built 2-45:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45804.htm

Of the two, it stands that the 8-48 built PS-1s probably were painted the same as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars, but that this would not be the "Rocket Freight" paint scheme

Consider that Intermountain also did a 6-50 built 1937 AAR (not modified) box car in the same scheme as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box car:

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45734.htm

It seems I'd be pretty safe painting the earliest PS-1s in the same paint scheme. I just want to get confirmation before I trust the inferred research Intermountain had done. For instance, Ed Hawkins doesn't list ANY unmodified 1937 AAR box cars as having been built for the Rock Island, so either Ed's research has a hole in it (I doubt it), or the above Intermountain car is a Foobie.It wouldn't be the first, and it won't be the last.

Anyway... For an early '50s roster, I think I ought to have one of the first series of PS-1s (those built in August 1948) to counter all those "100 Years of Progress" models that manufacturers seem to have have flooded the market with. If I can nail down the specifics of the appropriate paint scheme and decals, I'll be off and running.

Thanks,

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida



Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

arved_grass
 

I'm sorry if this question has been asked before (particularly if this question has been asked ad nauseam), but I can't figure out how to search the archives in the current Yahoo web interface.

I've been looking at Ed Hawkins' box car tabulations, and became interested in Rock Island's 40' PS-1 boxcars.

The "100 years of Progress" scheme seems to have been very popular among model manufacturers, and seems to be appropriate for those built in November and December 1951 (21000-21759, 21750-22249. and 22250-26499, 2000 cars total). However, I'm curious what paint scheme the first series of PS-1s were decorated in, 25500-26499. 1000 cars built August 1948, and just as importantly, what decal set is appropriate for these cars

I'm not a Rock Island modeler, so my research resources are limited. I've found very little on the web about these cars (as far as the prototype goes)..

I've asked around a bit. One friend said "My guess would be they came like the 1945 built modified '37's in Rocket Freight."

If Intermountain Railway is accurate, the 11-41 built modified 1937 AAR box cars were painted in the Rocket Freight scheme, and the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars came in a much more simplified paint scheme, with only the "Beaver Pelt" logo to the right of the door:

Built 11-41:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45824.htm

Built 2-45:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45804.htm

Of the two, it stands that the 8-48 built PS-1s probably were painted the same as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars, but that this would not be the "Rocket Freight" paint scheme

Consider that Intermountain also did a 6-50 built 1937 AAR (not modified) box car in the same scheme as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box car:

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45734.htm

It seems I'd be pretty safe painting the earliest PS-1s in the same paint scheme. I just want to get confirmation before I trust the inferred research Intermountain had done. For instance, Ed Hawkins doesn't list ANY unmodified 1937 AAR box cars as having been built for the Rock Island, so either Ed's research has a hole in it (I doubt it), or the above Intermountain car is a Foobie.It wouldn't be the first, and it won't be the last.

Anyway... For an early '50s roster, I think I ought to have one of the first series of PS-1s (those built in August 1948) to counter all those "100 Years of Progress" models that manufacturers seem to have have flooded the market with. If I can nail down the specifics of the appropriate paint scheme and decals, I'll be off and running.

Thanks,

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: ATSF Bx-27 in series 138000-138499

 

Another thing to be aware of are the ends. Bx-27's had "square" cornered ends. Red Caboose and IMWX are the only 2 plastic manufacturers that do that car.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:32 PM, "bill Vaughn atsfmodlr@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 


On Monday, July 21, 2014 4:47 PM, "ron.merrick@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Here's what I did.

This is before a lot of the detailed information on such cars, and perhaps even before there was a Sunshine kit for the Duryea underframe.  I had good photos, which are not hard to come by for Santa Fe, and I knew about the underframe but didn't know exactly what was under there.

I mounted the kit draft gear boxes out the appropriate distance.  I believe it's normally 7" each end, but that can be determined by comparing these cars with other typical cars of the same length.  I'd have to turn the car upside down to see, but I bet I somehow filled in the gap between the end of the center sill and the coupler.  (You have to do that on some Intermountain cars anyway, unless you don't mind the toothless look.)  Then I sliced off the two sidesill tabs and relocated one to a position about halfway between the originals, which can be determined from the photos since the lettering helps locate them a bit closer to correct position.  Then I sliced off the crossmembers and repositioned one of them to match the sidesill tab.

Not perfect, but not that visible from the side either.

Ron Merrick





Re: Need Help With Built Date: HPCX 1200-1210

ROGER HINMAN
 

The HPCX 12xx series refrigerator cars you mentioned are ex MDT steel underframe cars built in the 1920s. They were probably purchased  from a scrap dealer or other railroad as no record of direct sale from MDT exists.There's a photo of HPCX 1205 in my book, the photo and at least one other is available from Bob's Photo.

Roger Hinman

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On


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/23/2014 8:46 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
So you believe every caption to be true?  Mister, I've got a bridge to sell you


    No, your are right not all are true, but then they were there and we were not. :-)

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