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Re: Reading XAd Running Board

Armand Premo
 


Contact F&C,They are very good about replacing missing or faulty parts.Armand Premo

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Hello,


I have an F and C kit the running board in the kit is completely smooth.  Does anybody know what kind of running board it is suppose to have?  I am guessing they put the master in upside down or maybe it is suppose to be smooth not sure.


I am planning on making a run down to Caboose this weekend so I can probably find something is I knew the style.


Thank you,

Scott McDonald

 

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Reading XAd Running Board

Scott
 

Hello,


I have an F and C kit the running board in the kit is completely smooth.  Does anybody know what kind of running board it is suppose to have?  I am guessing they put the master in upside down or maybe it is suppose to be smooth not sure.


I am planning on making a run down to Caboose this weekend so I can probably find something is I knew the style.


Thank you,

Scott McDonald

 


Re: Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

Allan Smith
 

Have you tried the Protocraft web site? They make O scale decals but their descriptions for the series of cars and paint schemes are very accurate. They have three sets for Rock Island from 1940-1950's with prototype photos. I think you will find what you are looking for there. 
Al Smith


On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:36 PM, "arved_grass@... [STMFC]" wrote:
 


 
I'm sorry if this question has been asked before (particularly if this question has been asked ad nauseam), but I can't figure out how to search the archives in the current Yahoo web interface.

I've been looking at Ed Hawkins' box car tabulations, and became interested in Rock Island's 40' PS-1 boxcars.

The "100 years of Progress" scheme seems to have been very popular among model manufacturers, and seems to be appropriate for those built in November and December 1951 (21000-21759, 21750-22249. and 22250-26499, 2000 cars total). However, I'm curious what paint scheme the first series of PS-1s were decorated in, 25500-26499. 1000 cars built August 1948, and just as importantly, what decal set is appropriate for these cars

I'm not a Rock Island modeler, so my research resources are limited. I've found very little on the web about these cars (as far as the prototype goes)..

I've asked around a bit. One friend said "My guess would be they came like the 1945 built modified '37's in Rocket Freight."

If Intermountain Railway is accurate, the 11-41 built modified 1937 AAR box cars were painted in the Rocket Freight scheme, and the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars came in a much more simplified paint scheme, with only the "Beaver Pelt" logo to the right of the door:

Built 11-41:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45824.htm

Built 2-45:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45804.htm

Of the two, it stands that the 8-48 built PS-1s probably were painted the same as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars, but that this would not be the "Rocket Freight" paint scheme

Consider that Intermountain also did a 6-50 built 1937 AAR (not modified) box car in the same scheme as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box car:

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45734.htm

It seems I'd be pretty safe painting the earliest PS-1s in the same paint scheme. I just want to get confirmation before I trust the inferred research Intermountain had done. For instance, Ed Hawkins doesn't list ANY unmodified 1937 AAR box cars as having been built for the Rock Island, so either Ed's research has a hole in it (I doubt it), or the above Intermountain car is a Foobie.It wouldn't be the first, and it won't be the last.

Anyway... For an early '50s roster, I think I ought to have one of the first series of PS-1s (those built in August 1948) to counter all those "100 Years of Progress" models that manufacturers seem to have have flooded the market with. If I can nail down the specifics of the appropriate paint scheme and decals, I'll be off and running.

Thanks,

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida



Rock Island 40' PS-1 Box Cars

arved_grass
 

I'm sorry if this question has been asked before (particularly if this question has been asked ad nauseam), but I can't figure out how to search the archives in the current Yahoo web interface.

I've been looking at Ed Hawkins' box car tabulations, and became interested in Rock Island's 40' PS-1 boxcars.

The "100 years of Progress" scheme seems to have been very popular among model manufacturers, and seems to be appropriate for those built in November and December 1951 (21000-21759, 21750-22249. and 22250-26499, 2000 cars total). However, I'm curious what paint scheme the first series of PS-1s were decorated in, 25500-26499. 1000 cars built August 1948, and just as importantly, what decal set is appropriate for these cars

I'm not a Rock Island modeler, so my research resources are limited. I've found very little on the web about these cars (as far as the prototype goes)..

I've asked around a bit. One friend said "My guess would be they came like the 1945 built modified '37's in Rocket Freight."

If Intermountain Railway is accurate, the 11-41 built modified 1937 AAR box cars were painted in the Rocket Freight scheme, and the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars came in a much more simplified paint scheme, with only the "Beaver Pelt" logo to the right of the door:

Built 11-41:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45824.htm

Built 2-45:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45804.htm

Of the two, it stands that the 8-48 built PS-1s probably were painted the same as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box cars, but that this would not be the "Rocket Freight" paint scheme

Consider that Intermountain also did a 6-50 built 1937 AAR (not modified) box car in the same scheme as the 2-45 built modified 1937 AAR box car:

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45734.htm

It seems I'd be pretty safe painting the earliest PS-1s in the same paint scheme. I just want to get confirmation before I trust the inferred research Intermountain had done. For instance, Ed Hawkins doesn't list ANY unmodified 1937 AAR box cars as having been built for the Rock Island, so either Ed's research has a hole in it (I doubt it), or the above Intermountain car is a Foobie.It wouldn't be the first, and it won't be the last.

Anyway... For an early '50s roster, I think I ought to have one of the first series of PS-1s (those built in August 1948) to counter all those "100 Years of Progress" models that manufacturers seem to have have flooded the market with. If I can nail down the specifics of the appropriate paint scheme and decals, I'll be off and running.

Thanks,

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: ATSF Bx-27 in series 138000-138499

Rich C
 

Another thing to be aware of are the ends. Bx-27's had "square" cornered ends. Red Caboose and IMWX are the only 2 plastic manufacturers that do that car.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:32 PM, "bill Vaughn atsfmodlr@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 


On Monday, July 21, 2014 4:47 PM, "ron.merrick@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Here's what I did.

This is before a lot of the detailed information on such cars, and perhaps even before there was a Sunshine kit for the Duryea underframe.  I had good photos, which are not hard to come by for Santa Fe, and I knew about the underframe but didn't know exactly what was under there.

I mounted the kit draft gear boxes out the appropriate distance.  I believe it's normally 7" each end, but that can be determined by comparing these cars with other typical cars of the same length.  I'd have to turn the car upside down to see, but I bet I somehow filled in the gap between the end of the center sill and the coupler.  (You have to do that on some Intermountain cars anyway, unless you don't mind the toothless look.)  Then I sliced off the two sidesill tabs and relocated one to a position about halfway between the originals, which can be determined from the photos since the lettering helps locate them a bit closer to correct position.  Then I sliced off the crossmembers and repositioned one of them to match the sidesill tab.

Not perfect, but not that visible from the side either.

Ron Merrick





Re: Need Help With Built Date: HPCX 1200-1210

ROGER HINMAN
 

The HPCX 12xx series refrigerator cars you mentioned are ex MDT steel underframe cars built in the 1920s. They were probably purchased  from a scrap dealer or other railroad as no record of direct sale from MDT exists.There's a photo of HPCX 1205 in my book, the photo and at least one other is available from Bob's Photo.

Roger Hinman

On Jul 23, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

On


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/23/2014 8:46 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
So you believe every caption to be true?  Mister, I've got a bridge to sell you


    No, your are right not all are true, but then they were there and we were not. :-)

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Need Help With Built Date: HPCX 1200-1210

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jeff,

Gone by October 1958, according to my ORER. Interestingly, they do list four boxcars, 400-403 with steel underframes (suggesting a wood superstructure), IL 40' 6", IH 8', 2862 cu ft, and 404-407 (without any descriptive comments, but likely also wooden), at 36' 8", IH 7' 7", 1555 cu ft.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/23/14 2:20 PM, mitatech@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

I'm doing some research on the Hercules Powder Co rolling stock (reefers) and I need to get the built date and possibly the date these cars were no longer listed in the ORER. I BELIEVE the built date was 12/49 and I know that the Oct.1953 ORER lists these cars (8 cars 1200-1210) but that's the only guide I have. Can someone please look up this info for me? I would really appreciate any help.

Jeff Maurer




Re: ATSF Bx-27 in series 138000-138499

Bill Vaughn
 



On Monday, July 21, 2014 4:47 PM, "ron.merrick@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Here's what I did.

This is before a lot of the detailed information on such cars, and perhaps even before there was a Sunshine kit for the Duryea underframe.  I had good photos, which are not hard to come by for Santa Fe, and I knew about the underframe but didn't know exactly what was under there.

I mounted the kit draft gear boxes out the appropriate distance.  I believe it's normally 7" each end, but that can be determined by comparing these cars with other typical cars of the same length.  I'd have to turn the car upside down to see, but I bet I somehow filled in the gap between the end of the center sill and the coupler.  (You have to do that on some Intermountain cars anyway, unless you don't mind the toothless look.)  Then I sliced off the two sidesill tabs and relocated one to a position about halfway between the originals, which can be determined from the photos since the lettering helps locate them a bit closer to correct position.  Then I sliced off the crossmembers and repositioned one of them to match the sidesill tab.

Not perfect, but not that visible from the side either.

Ron Merrick



Need Help With Built Date: HPCX 1200-1210

Rex Racer
 

I'm doing some research on the Hercules Powder Co rolling stock (reefers) and I need to get the built date and possibly the date these cars were no longer listed in the ORER. I BELIEVE the built date was 12/49 and I know that the Oct.1953 ORER lists these cars (8 cars 1200-1210) but that's the only guide I have. Can someone please look up this info for me? I would really appreciate any help.

Jeff Maurer



Re: L&N 36ft double sheathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Douglas Harding
 

I see three pair of oxen with yokes, lined up like they are hitch together ready to pull as a team. There is a 7th animal visible, which may be part of a 4th team, but if so the partner is not visible. It could just be a young ox tagging along with its mother, which is a common practice with horses. What some apparently think is a sled, looks like a stack of ties or fence posts to me, perhaps even blocking to hold cars in place. I see no sled runners, nor any tongue nor harness to connect to the teams. And that appears to be a fancy iron fence along a roadway, nothing more. The oxen are standing literally right next to the tracks. Any depression or gully is on the far side of the tracks.

 

What’s more amazing is no one has commented on the freight cars. The last one appears to be L&N 13786. Anyone have any information to offer on the cars?

 

Doug Haring

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

rwitt_2000
 

Peter Burr wrote "It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar."

I am not sure how much we should discuss this postcard photo, but if one looks again there is more to add the the assertion that the oxen are pulling the railroad cars.

FWIW, to me it looks like they are set to pull the "sled" or large wooden object. Also there seems to be a "telephoto" effect compressing the distances. In front of the box cars is a set of railings probably passing over a "spillway" which places a waterway or at least a ditch or gulley between the oxen and the railroad tracks. The tracks cross the gulley and then join the oxen on the other side. My problem is I cannot make out any bridge or trestle under the railroad tracks, but it looks like the gulley continues on the other side of the tracks.

If the caption is true or not is not important, but as others pointed out it is an interesting scene.

Bob Witt


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller wrote:


"Also I would guess that what the picture says is true and not to be second guessed 100 years later."
 
So you believe every caption to be true?  Mister, I've got a bridge to sell you. :)
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

Andy Sperandeo
 

That's good news, Pierre. I'll be in line to buy some. – Andy



Re: SANTA FE FREIGHT CAR HARDWARE

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hi Ben,

I think there would be a market for a Royal Type F brake regulator. I've been representing them on cars with a method Richard Hendrickson showed in some of his articles and his Westrail instructions, using strips of styrene 1x2 and 2x2, leaving a slot to support the secondary brake lever. This represents the part in silhouette, but doesn't really model its details. It wortks with Richard's philosophy of only being concerned with details seen when a car is on the track. I'd post a photo but I don't think I've ever shot a closeup showing it.

So long,

Andy


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/23/2014 6:32 AM, RUTLANDRS@... [STMFC] wrote:
but I se no yokes or and kind of harness on the oxen

    Look carefully, there are yokes attaching each pair of oxen.  Also I would guess that what the picture says is true and not to be second guessed 100 years later.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

There appear to be yokes on the oxen, but they are tough to see given the graininess of the photo/scan.  In addition, it is unlikely that oxen would stand in such a way, if they were not yoked!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:32 AM, RUTLANDRS@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



    This very well could have occurred but I se no yokes or and kind of harness on the oxen.
Chuck Hladik
 
In a message dated 7/23/2014 9:27:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

In reference to the photo at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054


It is certainly possible that the oxen are being used as a car puller.  They would most likely pull from one corner and that would be the closest to the camera, thus any connection between the hitch of oxen and the car would be hidden.  Additionally, the oxen may well be standing there in between pulling cars.  It does make sense that hitches such as this would be used to move cars in the days before electric car winches.

Regards
Bruce


Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Charles Hladik
 

    This very well could have occurred but I se no yokes or and kind of harness on the oxen.
Chuck Hladik
 

In a message dated 7/23/2014 9:27:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

In reference to the photo at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054


It is certainly possible that the oxen are being used as a car puller.  They would most likely pull from one corner and that would be the closest to the camera, thus any connection between the hitch of oxen and the car would be hidden.  Additionally, the oxen may well be standing there in between pulling cars.  It does make sense that hitches such as this would be used to move cars in the days before electric car winches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Peter Burr pburr47@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar. I don't really see any traces or other harness, but they are all lined up as if in harness. Nice postcard :-)

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Bruce Smith
 

In reference to the photo at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321469149054

It is certainly possible that the oxen are being used as a car puller.  They would most likely pull from one corner and that would be the closest to the camera, thus any connection between the hitch of oxen and the car would be hidden.  Additionally, the oxen may well be standing there in between pulling cars.  It does make sense that hitches such as this would be used to move cars in the days before electric car winches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 


On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Peter Burr pburr47@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar. I don't really see any traces or other harness, but they are all lined up as if in harness. Nice postcard :-)



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Re: L&N 36ft double seathed boxcars pulled by oxen

Peter Burr <pburr47@...>
 

It looks like the oxen are pulling some kind of sled (if anything), not the boxcar. I don't really see any traces or other harness, but they are all lined up as if in harness. Nice postcard :-)

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