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Re: Model identity question

Tom Madden
 

Thanks, Andrew - and to Paul Kohler who replied off list. It's clearly a Westerfield T&P boxcar, kit # 2051. Finding the parts to finish it looks pretty straightforward, now to find some decals. Maybe Armand has some..... :-)


Tom Madden


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

I feel that Intermountain are simply applying the same business plan to undec kits that they have applied successfully* to their RTR products.

Make to order.

So if you want or think you may want a kit in the foreseeable future, order one.

If not, you are relying on sufficient orders from other to generate a production run.

I believe Intermountain are testing the water to see what demand still exists for slower moving kits.

They don’t want to fill their shelves with stuff that doesn’t sell, so they are implicitly asking us to hold our hands up if we are interested.

 

*The success I refer to is their management of their inventory control, not our ability to buy anything when we want to- grin.

 

So far as decals are concerned, there are a number of custom decals makers using silk screen or ALPS printers, many of whom post to this list.

Plus if the decal doesn’t include white, Micro Mark and others sell Ink Jet compatible decal paper.

A number of railroad fonts are available from Ben Coifmann and they work in Word or Corel Draw, so for simple jobs you can “roll your own”.

 

I recently met a guy here in Australia who has a Roland printer and he has indicated an interest in making custom decals.

He bought the printer to make decals for a line of limited run Australian outline N scale models.

He showed me some sample and they were impressive.

 

And as far as paint is concerned, Tru Color seem more than happy to accept new color suggestions to add to their ever expanding line of acetone based paints. Plus Scalecoat and Badger are still making product.

 

I don’t feel that I’ve said anything here that isn’t already common knowledge (except about the Roland guy), but I sense that there is a “self fullfilling” thought process coming through in the hobby especially since Floquil’s demise.

 

If we let that thinking influence our buying then there won’t be any kits, and the surviving paint and decal manufacturers will stop making decals.

IMHO, given that the kits are an “add on” to the RTR production runs, if the members of this list alone bought one kit each, that would be enough for IM to run the kits.

 

Just my 10c worth

Cheers

Dave North

(Climbs down off soap box and sits quietly in the corner)

 

 

 


Re: Model identity question

dahminator68
 

Hello Tom: The frame and radial roof look like they came from my 1900/2000 series kits.
Can't tell about the rest at this time.

Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...


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I recently won an eBay auction for a resin  double sheathed box car, ostensibly Sunshine, but now that it's arrived it looks like a Westerfield. Car is assembled body only, weighted, with trucks & Kadee couplers, in a nice Reboxx box. No instructions, no detail parts, no decals, no identification, just the body. It was one of a half dozen similar models offered, probably from an estate. Assembly is very well done.


I have no clue what it is. Gray resin 40' double sheathed wood body, wood doors, 5-5-6 inverse Murphy ends, B end has retainer valve cast in place, radial roof, straight center sill, floor has trainline cast in place. Set up for ladders on sides & ends. Tichy K brake cylinder installed but no levers or rigging. Found a 5-5-6 inverse Murphy end in Westerfield's Parts catalog, but it doesn't have poling pockets while the model in question does. It's either a one-piece body casting or a spectacularly well done assembly job. Floor is bonded in place so I can't examine the inside. End fascias are fashioned from styrene.


Probably should stay away from these things, but  the radial roof intrigued me and my low bid won. I can't find anything like it in Sunshine's product line, and I'm not familiar enough with the breadth of the Westerfield line to begin to know where to look. Anyone recognize this? EBay auction number was 161374111648.


TIA


Tom Madden


Re: Model identity question

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom, the underframe immediately said "X29" to me and the placement
of the trucks underscores that, with the wheels almost sticking out
from the ends. I can't find any car like this in Sunshine et al --
could it be someone's improvisation?

Tim O'Connor

I recently won an eBay auction for a resin double sheathed box car, ostensibly Sunshine, but now that it's arrived it looks like a Westerfield. Car is assembled body only, weighted, with trucks & Kadee couplers, in a nice Reboxx box. No instructions, no detail parts, no decals, no identification, just the body. It was one of a half dozen similar models offered, probably from an estate. Assembly is very well done.


I have no clue what it is. Gray resin 40' double sheathed wood body, wood doors, 5-5-6 inverse Murphy ends, B end has retainer valve cast in place, radial roof, straight center sill, floor has trainline cast in place. Set up for ladders on sides & ends. Tichy K brake cylinder installed but no levers or rigging. Found a 5-5-6 inverse Murphy end in Westerfield's Parts catalog, but it doesn't have poling pockets while the model in question does. It's either a one-piece body casting or a spectacularly well done assembly job. Floor is bonded in place so I can't examine the inside. End fascias are fashioned from styrene.


Probably should stay away from these things, but the radial roof intrigued me and my low bid won. I can't find anything like it in Sunshine's product line, and I'm not familiar enough with the breadth of the Westerfield line to begin to know where to look. Anyone recognize this? EBay auction number was 161374111648.


TIA


Tom Madden


Model identity question

Tom Madden
 

I recently won an eBay auction for a resin  double sheathed box car, ostensibly Sunshine, but now that it's arrived it looks like a Westerfield. Car is assembled body only, weighted, with trucks & Kadee couplers, in a nice Reboxx box. No instructions, no detail parts, no decals, no identification, just the body. It was one of a half dozen similar models offered, probably from an estate. Assembly is very well done.


I have no clue what it is. Gray resin 40' double sheathed wood body, wood doors, 5-5-6 inverse Murphy ends, B end has retainer valve cast in place, radial roof, straight center sill, floor has trainline cast in place. Set up for ladders on sides & ends. Tichy K brake cylinder installed but no levers or rigging. Found a 5-5-6 inverse Murphy end in Westerfield's Parts catalog, but it doesn't have poling pockets while the model in question does. It's either a one-piece body casting or a spectacularly well done assembly job. Floor is bonded in place so I can't examine the inside. End fascias are fashioned from styrene.


Probably should stay away from these things, but  the radial roof intrigued me and my low bid won. I can't find anything like it in Sunshine's product line, and I'm not familiar enough with the breadth of the Westerfield line to begin to know where to look. Anyone recognize this? EBay auction number was 161374111648.


TIA


Tom Madden


Re: Type "D" vs. Type "E" Coupler Tests

Guy Wilber
 

Dave, you asked:
 
"Did the ARA report cite anything about the actual value of the maximum strength for either type?  Essentially is that 40,000 lbs. greater strength a 1% improvement or something like a 20% improvement?"
 
Dave,
 
The value of maximum strength for the Type "D" was 295,000 lbs., while the Type "E" was 335,200.  An 8.8% improvement. 
 
Kindest Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
 
 


For fans of the ATSF

hvyweight41
 

Disclaimer: I have no connection with the person selling these books.


FYI, I just saw what looks like a large collection of ATSF Society reference books come up for sale on eBay, including the out of print Frank Ellington Stock Car book. IMHO, they are reasonably priced. It's a good opportunity to fill out your reference library. I don't think they'll last long.


Thanks,

Keith Kempster

Jacksonville, FL



Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

arved_grass
 

Guilty as charged: I'm happily replacing my fleet of 40' Athearn PFE reefers with the IM R-40-10, R40-23, Amarillo Rail Museum R-40-25, and other more accurate models, just as I'm happily as I replaced my horn hooks with #5s, then replaced the #5s with $58s, and now #58s with Sergent couplers.

Maybe I'm not an old timer after all?

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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


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I think the problem is the increasing age of model railroaders in general who are now accustomed to buying fewer RTR cars as opposed to more kits.

Most long experienced men have a closet full of kits along with a few bad experiences trying to assemble those kits.

I think once a new car comes out most men who want it will buy it; after that sale of the car will be slow including undec. and kits.

I think I am one of the few on the list actively buying older kits, but I am a special case - most of my best models were stolen.

I am a little surprised that some old timers will buy "new and improved" versions of models as they become available.

All of this merchandise is market driven. If kits, paint and decals sold briskly more would be available.


Re: Drawbar in Railroad Terminology

hees@...
 

As best I can tell, in the 19th century, the word "coupler" denoted an automatic device, while "drawbar" was the more technical term for a link and pin style device.  Hence"Miller couplers", "Janey couplers", but "Link & Pin drawheads".  By the way, the term "Janey" was troublesome since it referred to a pattened device... and the Master Car Builder's Assocation did not like to endorese a pattened soultion...

Randy Hees


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

Armand Premo
 


Unfortunately the ends of the NYC Cars were different than the ends of the Rutland cars.A Premo

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

 

The Rutland 8000-series cars and their rebuilt 6000-series cars, plus
the door and a half 9000-series, all had vertical staffs, even after
1950's. Once the PS-1's started hitting in 1954, the wood-sided cars
kept mostly to home rails.

Phil
Membership Chair, Rutland Railroad Historical Society
http://www.rutlandrr.org

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Phillip Blancher
http://about.me/phillipblancher

On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Charlie Duckworth omahaduck@...
[STMFC] wrote:
> Am building the Dennis Storzek 1916 NYC boxcar and am finishing it as a Rutland boxcar circa 1954 as shown in Ed Mines photo. The photo in the instructions shows only the A end of the Rutland boxcar and am wondering if the cars by 1954 still retained the vertical brake staff as shown on the Michigan Central auto car in the lead photo. I probably started this kit 25 years ago and amazing all the parts were still in the box. It's still a beautiful model given it's age and would stand up against any resin kits on the market today.
>
> Thanks for any help on the brake question.
>
> Charlie Duckworth
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Re: NYC ARA Boxcars

John Sykes III
 

Hyperventilated?!?!?!?


Actually, the photo you provided the link to (which is excellent), adds more smoke than light to the discussion.  Some of the cars appear to have flat-panel roofs with wood running boards, some appear to have raised panel (Murphy) roofs with US Gypsum running boards and at least one car near the foreground has a diagonal panel roof with USG running boards, but no roadnumber visible.  Finally, the one in the very foreground has raised panels & wood running boards but no visible number.


None have the raised panel Murphy roofs with Apex running boards, ala the BLI model.


Hyperventilated !$#@^$##^&


-- John


P.S.  I've only been on this list since I discovered it before the Cocoa Beach show two years ago.


Re: Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

The Rutland 8000-series cars and their rebuilt 6000-series cars, plus
the door and a half 9000-series, all had vertical staffs, even after
1950's. Once the PS-1's started hitting in 1954, the wood-sided cars
kept mostly to home rails.

Phil
Membership Chair, Rutland Railroad Historical Society
http://www.rutlandrr.org

--
Phillip Blancher
http://about.me/phillipblancher


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Charlie Duckworth omahaduck@gmail.com
[STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Am building the Dennis Storzek 1916 NYC boxcar and am finishing it as a Rutland boxcar circa 1954 as shown in Ed Mines photo. The photo in the instructions shows only the A end of the Rutland boxcar and am wondering if the cars by 1954 still retained the vertical brake staff as shown on the Michigan Central auto car in the lead photo. I probably started this kit 25 years ago and amazing all the parts were still in the box. It's still a beautiful model given it's age and would stand up against any resin kits on the market today.

Thanks for any help on the brake question.

Charlie Duckworth

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Question on exNYC boxcar sold to Rutland

Charlie Duckworth
 

Am building the Dennis Storzek 1916 NYC boxcar and am finishing it as a Rutland boxcar circa 1954 as shown in Ed Mines photo. The photo in the instructions shows only the A end of the Rutland boxcar and am wondering if the cars by 1954 still retained the vertical brake staff as shown on the Michigan Central auto car in the lead photo. I probably started this kit 25 years ago and amazing all the parts were still in the box. It's still a beautiful model given it's age and would stand up against any resin kits on the market today.

Thanks for any help on the brake question.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Armand Premo
 


    Clark,Like most of us I buy cars by type with the idea that someone might produce decals that represent the roads I want i.e.Alton, A A,GB&W. to name a few . Jerry Glow has made a few sets for me .I try to collect cars that I can   document that actually ran on the roads that I model.My stash is rather small now as I have built just about all I had.A.Premo

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Armand,
Why would you buy cars you didn’t have, or could get, decals for? I know, because you could get the cars. But still, I should think that one would make sure he could get ALL the pieces before buying the puzzle. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

Clark Propst
 

Armand,
Why would you buy cars you didn’t have, or could get, decals for? I know, because you could get the cars. But still, I should think that one would make sure he could get ALL the pieces before buying the puzzle. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Intermountain Kits-sporadic availability

ed_mines
 

I think the problem is the increasing age of model railroaders in general who are now accustomed to buying fewer RTR cars as opposed to more kits.

 

Most long experienced men have a closet full of kits along with a few bad experiences trying to assemble those kits.

 

I think once a new car comes out most men who want it will buy it; after that sale of the car will be slow including undec. and kits.

 

I think I am one of the few on the list actively buying older kits, but I am a special case - most of my best models were stolen.

 

I am a little surprised that some old timers will buy "new and improved" versions of models as they become available.

 

All of this merchandise is market driven. If kits, paint and decals sold briskly more would be available. 


Re: NYC USRA-Design Steel Boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

John Sykes hyperventilated:
"C-1920 New York Central started building a group of boxcars to compete with the PRR X29 design to become an ARA proposed standard design.

Fast forward to today.  Broadway Limited Imports produced a group of these boxcars in HO from 1922 & 1924.  The 4-car set I bought (part # 1750) is advertised as having 7/8 Murphy ends, replacement Murphy roofs and STEEL RUNNING BOARDS.

Now, since I know nothing about NYC freight cars, I checked the online resources (including the NYC freight car list) and purchased a book called "Freight Equipment of the New York Central Volume 1:  Box, Stock & Refrigerator Cars".  On page 26 & 27 are 2 photos of cars from these groups (specifically 437-B, 439-B, 489-B & 491-B).  As best as I can tell (using a jeweler's loupe) these cars in these photos appear to have wood running boards.  So, WHAT'S THE STORY HERE???.

Should I be removing the Apex running boards from these models or are they correct (car #s are 103105, 106487, 108152 & 111869)???"

First, THESE ARE NOT PROPOSED ARA BOXCARS.  These are based on a proposed USRA steel design that was never built.

Second, it depends on when you're modeling.  See for yourself - NYC Buffalo NY, c. 1953:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmomay02.html


Ben Hom


Re: NYC ARA Boxcars

Bruce Smith
 

John,

These cars have been discussed here a number of times.  The BLI model represents the cars AS MODIFIED post WWII (with a few cars being modified during the war) with, as you note replacement roofs as well.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NYC ARA Boxcars



C-1920 New York Central started building a group of boxcars to compete with the PRR X29 design to become an ARA proposed standard design.


Fast forward to today.  Broadway Limited Imports produced a group of these boxcars in HO from 1922 & 1924.  The 4-car set I bought (part # 1750) is advertised as having 7/8 Murphy ends, replacement Murphy roofs and STEEL RUNNING BOARDS.


Now, since I know nothing about NYC freight cars, I checked the online resources (including the NYC freight car list) and purchased a book called "Freight Equipment of the New York Central Volume 1:  Box, Stock & Refrigerator Cars".  On page 26 & 27 are 2 photos of cars from these groups (specifically 437-B, 439-B, 489-B & 491-B).  As best as I can tell (using a jeweler's loupe) these cars in these photos appear to have wood running boards.!   So, WHAT'S THE STORY HERE???.


Should I be removing the Apex running boards from these models or are they correct (car #s are 103105, 106487, 108152 & 111869)???


-- John




NYC ARA Boxcars

John Sykes III
 

C-1920 New York Central started building a group of boxcars to compete with the PRR X29 design to become an ARA proposed standard design.


Fast forward to today.  Broadway Limited Imports produced a group of these boxcars in HO from 1922 & 1924.  The 4-car set I bought (part # 1750) is advertised as having 7/8 Murphy ends, replacement Murphy roofs and STEEL RUNNING BOARDS.


Now, since I know nothing about NYC freight cars, I checked the online resources (including the NYC freight car list) and purchased a book called "Freight Equipment of the New York Central Volume 1:  Box, Stock & Refrigerator Cars".  On page 26 & 27 are 2 photos of cars from these groups (specifically 437-B, 439-B, 489-B & 491-B).  As best as I can tell (using a jeweler's loupe) these cars in these photos appear to have wood running boards.  So, WHAT'S THE STORY HERE???.


Should I be removing the Apex running boards from these models or are they correct (car #s are 103105, 106487, 108152 & 111869)???


-- John


Brand new S Scale brass detail parts for sale

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