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Re: {Disarmed} Re: Car sounds

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

In cars. You do need to provide some way of passing power (w/DCC signals) from the track to the decoder. The example SoundTraxx had at the National Train Show had a couple of spread out Kadee #5 centering springs glued to the top of the truck as pickup wipers. 

Joe Fugate noticed that and remarked that he'd bought a sheet of phosphor bronze from somewhere, inexpensively, that he cut strips out of when he needed wipers for something. 


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:04 AM, asychis@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Where do you mount these decoders? In cars? In locos? Under the layout?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Jared, it depends on the use.  If you take a look at the Soundtraxx "Sound Car" flyer, it lists all the sounds.  Most it seems would be mounted in rolling stock (flat spots, brake squeal, clickity-clack, generator).  The decoder also has two lights and two hyper-effect leads, so I can see it mounted in a caboose with say brake squeal and lights for the conductor's desk and marker lights (most likely fed into fiber optics). Lighted passenger cars with generator sounds would be a good use too.
 
I don't know if they could be mounted stationary, but some sounds would lend themselves to it, especially flange squeal, which you would want from the whole train, not an individual car. 
 
Jerry Michels


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Re: Truss Rod Rolling Stock

Marty Ross
 

Thanks Tim - I was thinking domestic.  I'm a Midwestern sort of modeler and the C&NW is my focus.


On Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:23 AM, Marty Ross wrote:


Ben - Thanks for the info and the links.

Marty


On Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:08 AM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Marty Ross asked:
"Does anyone know when the last truss rod cars were built and for how long could they be commonly seen in active use?"
 
The last truss rod house cars built featured underframes with steel center sills.  The most notable example of late truss rod cars were the Southern Class SU 36 ft double-sheathed boxcars.  The Southern acquired over 15,000 cars between 1922 and 1928, and the cars ran through the 1950s.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/sousumain.html

HO scale models are available from Westerfield.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=37
 
 
Ben Hom  





Re: Truss Rod Rolling Stock

Marty Ross
 

Ben - Thanks for the info and the links.

Marty


On Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:08 AM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Marty Ross asked:
"Does anyone know when the last truss rod cars were built and for how long could they be commonly seen in active use?"
 
The last truss rod house cars built featured underframes with steel center sills.  The most notable example of late truss rod cars were the Southern Class SU 36 ft double-sheathed boxcars.  The Southern acquired over 15,000 cars between 1922 and 1928, and the cars ran through the 1950s.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/sousumain.html

HO scale models are available from Westerfield.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=37
 
 
Ben Hom  



Re: Truss Rod Rolling Stock

Tim O'Connor
 

For domestic use, or export?

There's a 1977 photo in Wayner's Freight Car Pictorial of a freshly shopped
"government surplus" flat car equipped with truss rods and bulkheads carrying
COX (City of Omaha) reporting marks.

The Great Northern bought truss rod box cars as late as 1925.

Tim O'

Does anyone know when the last truss rod cars were built and for how long could they be commonly seen in active use?

Cheers,

Marty Ross


Re: Athearn Coors and Carnation

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

they are foobies as far as I know... but my knowledge of billboard reefers is very limited



Back in the yellow box days Athearn produced models of reefers decorated for Coors and Carnation.   The Coors reefer is yellow with a logo for Coors Banquet beer and the Carnation reefer is white with the milk can and Carnation Milk in red on the sides. If you search eBay for "Athearn Coors" and "Athearn Carnation" you will see what I mean.  Neither car's P/L scheme is like any prototype car I have ever seen photos of.  The white Carnation P/L scheme bears no resemblance to the yellow schemes that FGEX and General American ran for them and have been available from Branchline and TMI and others, and the yellow Coors scheme looks nothing like the famous white one that TMI and MDC did versions of.  So my question is this: are these Athearn schemes total foobies, or did such cars ever exist, if even for a railroad fair of some kind?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Champ decals

Tim O'Connor
 

John Sykes wrote

Actually, Champ was in the middle of upgrading many of their decals (I think originally
they were mostly printed by the letterpress technique - ala Ben Franklin but were being
switched to the better offset printing method).


Really? I received a 3-page letter from Mr. Meyer in response to a letter I'd written
him back in the 1990's (in my RPM youth) and I got the strong impression that the only
method he used for printing was a letterpress. Certainly all of his heralds were done
that way. (I had questioned why he didn't switch to thin-film silkscreen decals.)

Champ's BRH sets for ATSF, SFRD and almost all of the SHS sets were state of the art.
The only error I ever found in one the SHS sets (so far) was in SHS-257 (NYC Early Bird
reefer) which has incorrect data -- Fortunately Greg Komar came to the rescue on that
one.

Other revised sets included B&O/CB&Q/GN/NP/SP box cars, N&W/RDG/ERIE/NYC/GN hoppers,
GN/SOU gondolas and even some "roadname sets" -- ACL/CNW/CRR/CRI&P/ERIE/GN/NP/NYC.
There are probably more, those are just the ones I noticed.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Truss Rod Rolling Stock

Benjamin Hom
 

Marty Ross asked:
"Does anyone know when the last truss rod cars were built and for how long could they be commonly seen in active use?"
 
The last truss rod house cars built featured underframes with steel center sills.  The most notable example of late truss rod cars were the Southern Class SU 36 ft double-sheathed boxcars.  The Southern acquired over 15,000 cars between 1922 and 1928, and the cars ran through the 1950s.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/sousumain.html

HO scale models are available from Westerfield.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=37
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Car sounds

Tim O'Connor
 

I think a stationary 'clone' decoder (same address as a mobile sound unit)
would work well for some situations -- For example, the clone could emit
only deep "bass" sounds (fed through an amplifier) and the mobile only
higher frequencies -- The bass is omni-directional, while your sense of
direction comes from higher Hz. The combination can produce a more intense
aural experience.

Tim O'

Where do you mount these decoders? In cars? In locos? Under the layout?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Champ decals

Alex Schneider
 

It should be noted that Rich bought Champ as a going business and moved it from "Cleveland 2, Ohio". During his ownership he made numerous refinements, and where they were extensive he tended to discontinue the old, regularly priced decal and introduce a new decal in his Blue Ribbon and Super lines, at a higher price (still reasonable in my view).

Rich had to deal with changing environmental rules which forced him to use inks which did not contain materials deemed hazardous, primarily affecting gold and yellow decals. This had a major impact on passenger decals, especially for prewar cars, relatively less on freight cars or locomotives.

Rich was seeking to sell the business and retire when he was taken from us, and his family sold off the inventory and closed the firm. It was a real loss for the hobby. But I'm certainly not qualified to run it and apparently no one who was, was interested.

If the railroad-specific historical societies are interested in seeing craftsman modeling and kitbashing of "their railroads" continue, they may need to develop the artwork and make it available for download, free or at least at reasonable cost, for printing by modelers or those willing to print on demand. At one time the NMRA published lettering diagrams, and they may need to resume such a role. Otherwise when "old stock" is exhausted we will have decals only for a handful of roads.

Alex Schneider


From: "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]"
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Guys;

I totally agree with Bruce.  After being chastised by some folks in the PRRTHS for my incorrect assumption that all the Champ decals for the PRR were "fuzzy", and not accurate in regards to fonts and dimensional data, I went back and found the majority of the (re-done) Circle Keystone sets to be quite accurate.  Just like Microscale, Champ did go back and try to do better, in this case, MUCH better.  That being said, Champ's Shadow Keystone and Plain Keystone sets still needed to be re-done, as did most of the B&O, C&O, NYC and P&LE sets.  Some of these, however, are the ONLY game in town still.

Elden Gatwood



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As an example, most of the Champ PRR decals had been redone and were very accurate. 

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily in Saint Looey

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Clark Propst wrote:



    During the custom decals thread it was mentioned that Champs decals were out of date. Generic data, real inch size instead of scale inch size letters, etc. Just curious, would these short comings be deal breakers if the decal line was resurrected tomorrow?


        That statement is too general. As was mentioned, in more recent years Rich strove to create better decals, and had many experts on individual railroads helping him. For example, Richard Hendrickson contributed a lot to the improved Santa Fe freight decals in the line.
        However, it is quite true that a few of the items in the line dated back many years, and were lacking in many respects. Older ones tended to be oversize, to have very approximate sets of dimensional and capacity data, and to be printed in a variety of lame fonts not matching prototype lettering. So yes, some of the decals in the catalog were fairly crappy; others were darn good and we could sure use them back. Do not believe anyone telling you a flat statement about "all" Champ decals.

Tony Thompson            Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Car sounds

Tim O'Connor
 

or... run an extra power block with wires that carry the DCC
signal as an "accessory bus". Since sound decoders pull more
amps, you may want to do this instead of installing them as
vampire taps on your track power.

Tim O'Connor

You need to pick up track power and DCC signals to program them...

Jack Burgess


Truss Rod Rolling Stock

Marty Ross
 

Hi All,


Does anyone know when the last truss rod cars were built and for how long could they be commonly seen in active use?


Cheers,

Marty Ross


Re: "400" name [was Hoarders]

Marty Ross
 

I hate to nit-pick, but it was the C&NW which went through Waukesha, rather than the Soo.  The owners of the club need to read the historical marker outside of their own building.


Re: "400" name [was Hoarders]

Andy Sperandeo
 

AND there's a Club 400 in Waukesha, Wis., that's been operating under that name since the 1930s. See http://club400waukesha.com.

So long,

Andy


Re: Champ decals (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Guys;

I totally agree with Bruce. After being chastised by some folks in the PRRTHS for my incorrect assumption that all the Champ decals for the PRR were "fuzzy", and not accurate in regards to fonts and dimensional data, I went back and found the majority of the (re-done) Circle Keystone sets to be quite accurate. Just like Microscale, Champ did go back and try to do better, in this case, MUCH better. That being said, Champ's Shadow Keystone and Plain Keystone sets still needed to be re-done, as did most of the B&O, C&O, NYC and P&LE sets. Some of these, however, are the ONLY game in town still.

Elden Gatwood

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As an example, most of the Champ PRR decals had been redone and were very accurate.

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily in Saint Looey

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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Champ decals




Clark Propst wrote:



During the custom decals thread it was mentioned that Champs decals were out of date. Generic data, real inch size instead of scale inch size letters, etc. Just curious, would these short comings be deal breakers if the decal line was resurrected tomorrow?


That statement is too general. As was mentioned, in more recent years Rich strove to create better decals, and had many experts on individual railroads helping him. For example, Richard Hendrickson contributed a lot to the improved Santa Fe freight decals in the line.
However, it is quite true that a few of the items in the line dated back many years, and were lacking in many respects. Older ones tended to be oversize, to have very approximate sets of dimensional and capacity data, and to be printed in a variety of lame fonts not matching prototype lettering. So yes, some of the decals in the catalog were fairly crappy; others were darn good and we could sure use them back. Do not believe anyone telling you a flat statement about "all" Champ decals.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history









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Re: Hoarders

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Are these the boxcar models with PRR Brunswick Green sides and SOU red cab roofs, and lettered for Santa Fe?  I saw one in a color photo postcard dated 1928 so your memory is accurate! It was being pulled by a team of oxen!

Sent from Dave Bott's iPad

On Aug 6, 2014, at 10:31 PM, "golden1014@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Well...as I recall the logo on my shirt looked like the one on my steam era box car models (required content), and my memory is NEVER wrong.  In any event is was a fun night and I got the t-shirt to prove it.

John Golden
Hosting St. Louis RPM This Weekend in Collinsville, IL


Re: Car sounds

asychis@...
 

Where do you mount these decoders? In cars? In locos? Under the layout?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Jared, it depends on the use.  If you take a look at the Soundtraxx "Sound Car" flyer, it lists all the sounds.  Most it seems would be mounted in rolling stock (flat spots, brake squeal, clickity-clack, generator).  The decoder also has two lights and two hyper-effect leads, so I can see it mounted in a caboose with say brake squeal and lights for the conductor's desk and marker lights (most likely fed into fiber optics). Lighted passenger cars with generator sounds would be a good use too.
 
I don't know if they could be mounted stationary, but some sounds would lend themselves to it, especially flange squeal, which you would want from the whole train, not an individual car. 
 
Jerry Michels


Re: Car sounds

Jared Harper
 

Where do you mount  these decoders?  In cars?  In locos?  Under the layout?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Car sounds

Brian Carlson
 

Yes. For the full story go here. 
Brian Carlson. 


On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:29 PM, "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

What about wheel clicks over rail joints?


Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Car sounds

Jared Harper
 

What about wheel clicks over rail joints?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Hoarders

golden1014
 

John, I hate to break the news to you, but the bar's logo isn't the same as the CNW.  They're still selling the T-shirts at the mall until the club opens.

Marty

Well...as I recall the logo on my shirt looked like the one on my steam era box car models (required content), and my memory is NEVER wrong.  In any event is was a fun night and I got the t-shirt to prove it.

John Golden
Hosting St. Louis RPM This Weekend in Collinsville, IL

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