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Re: Demise of RMC?

naptownprr
 

And I thought you were poking fun at the guys' discussion!


Quoting "'A Premo' armprem2@surfglobal.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>:

My apologies to the group.The previous email was intended for my
Grand daughter' A. Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: MDelvec952@aol.com [STMFC]
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Demise of RMC?




I know we're all risking the gallows for talking about this, but
since RMC is a magazine of choice for most of the RPM community
because of its steady flow of quality STMFC content, I'd like to add
a few thoughts. Ten years of my life was spent with Carstens as a
stafffer and three times that long as a contributor, so I've got a
lot of heart and soul in that place, and many personal relationships.

Rumors of its demise are exagerated. Times have been tough and there
are reorganization plans in the works that could take on a few forms.
Please be patient, but the next few weeks are significant. The
appreciation of the venerable title of RMC is not lost in the
reorganization.

Yes, there is more information flowing in far more outlets then ever
in our field, and yes that in every area the print media is evolving
in the world of electronic distribution. Wise business people are
learning how to comingle print and digital media rather than to
compete against digital.

I've presided over an NRHS Chapter for 20 years, and from that perch
I'll also venture that the model railroad hobby is still growing. The
Thomas generation is getting old enough to buy train sets and many of
today's railroad buffs are getting some of their jollies on line with
hours of model railroad videos on youtube, facebook and elsewhere.
While the ranks of the traditional model railroad clubs are thinning
through attrition, there are other forms that are popping up. One
growing area is the Train Sim crowd, building pikes and creating
equipment in MicroSoft Train Simulator. A couple of our members are
quietly recreating long-lost and abandoned railroads full size with
actual scenery and grades, and designing proper equipment for that
territory and swapping files.

Any future venture of any kind in our field is going to need a
digital presence. While I wouldn't say our Chapter has the best web
site in the field, I do keep up a good facebook presence and through
that we've raised more than $40k in contributions and grants for
restoration projects, a great amount of excitement that gets the
computer crowd trackside when something unusual comes through, and
even the young kids (14 and up) are getting out to scrape paint and
learn about working on the real stuff, and riding the caboose, bunny
and Santa Trains. Our members are building a three-rail, two-level
pike in our Lackawanna baggage car, and a couple of the youngins are
helping with that. Granted, North Jersey is the mostly densely
populated part of America. But while the kids are coming out and
watching trains and looking at model railroad videos on their smart
phones, I'm not sure the NRHS Chapters and traditional model railroad
clubs are going to survive as the dues go up to keep up with rising
rents and insurance costs. The NRHS will be bankrupt in two years if
it doesn't make some radical changes soon. In our area the larger
private model railroads all need operators, and I'd guess that more
modelers are operating those than at model railroad clubs. Since
those are not open to the public, it requires a certain amount of
social interaction to be invited. On a personal side, many of the
resin kits I've built are running on private railroads. I don't
expect to build my own railroad until the Railroad Retirement Board
sends along my "cash for clunkers."

The hobby is evolving. Without getting into why RMC is reorganizing
or what the employees are going through, it does look like the
magazine and its philosophy on content will continue.

....Mike Del Vecchio








-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Baker bakert@andrews.edu [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Demise of RMC?



Tim and Dave,

Well, you are certainly right about change in delivery of information
media, but it does seem to me that fewer of us are out there in all
scales. I know of three railroad historical societies--and there may be
others I don't know of--that have gone to the E-zine format, a very good
idea, I think. I also know of several societies that have experienced a
drop in membership due to the passing of their members.

Then there is an interesting shift among occurring among the hi-rail
crowd, a push toward greater prototype accuracy. I am no hi-railer, but
I will have to admit that even the 3-rail manufacturers have produced
some great looking prototype locomotives. Problem is these guys still
are not at the level of accuracy we scalers want, and that is true
especially with the freight cars that come off the line: They're better
than those truncated things, the 6464-series box cars for example, but
have a long way to go before the product would satisfy us even if we
were in O gauge.

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars.
My HO modeling friend surmises that many of those Sunshine kits sit on
modelers shelves in the basement, attic, or garage and there they stay.
He is probably right.
> Tom
>
> I don't think it is demographics at all -- In the 1960's when I was a
> teenager, my Dad got Trains, Model Railroader and RMC. And there were a
> few hundred published books, with some prototype railroads having 15 or
> even 20 titles! My Dad had maybe 30 or 40 books including Car
Builder Cycs.
>
> By the 1990's we also had Mainline Modeler, Model Railroading, and
Railmodel
> Journal. And new publishers cranking out new books every week.
Usually more
> than several every week. Heck we're up to issue #28 of the RP Cyclopedia!
>
> Now we have modeling ezines from historical societies, more books
than ever,
> and tens of thousands of blogs, web sites, photo sites, archival
sites, etc.
> People have collections of hundreds of books and special publications.
>
> I subscribe to RMC and I enjoy the magazine but really, in this hurricane
> of railroad and modeling information that we live in, will we really feel
> at all deprived without it? Some months I have no time to read even one
> article.
>
> It's not demographics -- it's information overload!
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
>
>> Although I had no idea of failed payments to authors and photographers,
>> I have wondered what is happening at RMC. First we lose Mainline Modeler
>> and now maybe RMC. I haven't figured out what exactly causes the muted
>> draw Model Railroader has for me, but its draw is definitely muted. The
>> series of articles by Ted Culotta and Clark Probst were really a big
>> draw for me, and I don't even model in HO, but in S. I saw the material
>> on S in the June issue a bit in the way of filler but still helpful. I
>> hope we do not lose RMC, but I cannot halt the forward and inexorable
>> march of demographics.
>>
>> Tom Baker
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Demise of RMC?

Armand Premo
 


My apologies to the group.The previous email was intended for my Grand daughter' A. Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Demise of RMC?

 


I know we're all risking the gallows for talking about this, but since RMC is a magazine of choice for most of the RPM community because of its steady flow of quality STMFC content, I'd like to add a few thoughts. Ten years of my life was spent with Carstens as a stafffer and three times that long as a contributor, so I've got a lot of heart and soul in that place, and many personal relationships.

Rumors of its demise are exagerated. Times have been tough and there are reorganization plans in the works that could take on a few forms. Please be patient, but the next few weeks are significant. The appreciation of the venerable title of RMC is not lost in the reorganization.

Yes, there is more information flowing in far more outlets then ever in our field, and yes that in every area the print media is evolving in the world of electronic distribution. Wise business people are learning how to comingle print and digital media rather than to compete against digital.

I've presided over an NRHS Chapter for 20 years, and from that perch I'll also venture that the model railroad hobby is still growing. The Thomas generation is getting old enough to buy train sets and many of today's railroad buffs are getting some of their jollies on line with hours of model railroad videos on youtube, facebook and elsewhere. While the ranks of the traditional model railroad clubs are thinning through attrition, there are other forms that are popping up. One growing area is the Train Sim crowd, building pikes and creating equipment in MicroSoft Train Simulator. A couple of our members are quietly recreating long-lost and abandoned railroads full size with actual scenery and grades, and designing proper equipment for that territory and swapping files.

Any future venture of any kind in our field is going to need a digital presence. While I wouldn't say our Chapter has the best web site in the field, I do keep up a good facebook presence and through that we've raised more than $40k in contributions and grants for restoration projects, a great amount of excitement that gets the computer crowd trackside when something unusual comes through, and even the young kids (14 and up) are getting out to scrape paint and learn about working on the real stuff, and riding the caboose, bunny and Santa Trains. Our members are building a three-rail, two-level pike in our Lackawanna baggage car, and a couple of the youngins are helping with that. Granted, North Jersey is the mostly densely populated part of America.  But while the kids are coming out and watching trains and looking at model railroad videos on their smart phones, I'm not sure the NRHS Chapters and traditional model railroad clubs are going to survive as the dues go up to keep up with rising rents and insurance costs. The NRHS will be bankrupt in two years if it doesn't make some radical changes soon.  In our area the larger private model railroads all need operators, and I'd guess that more modelers are operating those than at model railroad clubs. Since those are not open to the public, it requires a certain amount of social interaction to be invited. On a personal side, many of the resin kits I've built are running on private railroads. I don't expect to build my own railroad until the Railroad Retirement Board sends along my "cash for clunkers."

The hobby is evolving. Without getting into why RMC is reorganizing or what the employees are going through, it does look like the magazine and its philosophy on content will continue.

              ....Mike Del Vecchio




-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Baker bakert@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Demise of RMC?

 
Tim and Dave,

Well, you are certainly right about change in delivery of information
media, but it does seem to me that fewer of us are out there in all
scales. I know of three railroad historical societies--and there may be
others I don't know of--that have gone to the E-zine format, a very good
idea, I think. I also know of several societies that have experienced a
drop in membership due to the passing of their members.

Then there is an interesting shift among occurring among the hi-rail
crowd, a push toward greater prototype accuracy. I am no hi-railer, but
I will have to admit that even the 3-rail manufacturers have produced
some great looking prototype locomotives. Problem is these guys still
are not at the level of accuracy we scalers want, and that is true
especially with the freight cars that come off the line: They're better
than those truncated things, the 6464-series box cars for example, but
have a long way to go before the product would satisfy us even if we
were in O gauge.

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars.
My HO modeling friend surmises that many of those Sunshine kits sit on
modelers shelves in the basement, attic, or garage and there they stay.
He is probably right.
> Tom
>
> I don't think it is demographics at all -- In the 1960's when I was a
> teenager, my Dad got Trains, Model Railroader and RMC. And there were a
> few hundred published books, with some prototype railroads having 15 or
> even 20 titles! My Dad had maybe 30 or 40 books including Car Builder Cycs.
>
> By the 1990's we also had Mainline Modeler, Model Railroading, and Railmodel
> Journal. And new publishers cranking out new books every week. Usually more
> than several every week. Heck we're up to issue #28 of the RP Cyclopedia!
>
> Now we have modeling ezines from historical societies, more books than ever,
> and tens of thousands of blogs, web sites, photo sites, archival sites, etc.
> People have collections of hundreds of books and special publications.
>
> I subscribe to RMC and I enjoy the magazine but really, in this hurricane
> of railroad and modeling information that we live in, will we really feel
> at all deprived without it? Some months I have no time to read even one
> article.
>
> It's not demographics -- it's information overload!
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
>
>> Although I had no idea of failed payments to authors and photographers,
>> I have wondered what is happening at RMC. First we lose Mainline Modeler
>> and now maybe RMC. I haven't figured out what exactly causes the muted
>> draw Model Railroader has for me, but its draw is definitely muted. The
>> series of articles by Ted Culotta and Clark Probst were really a big
>> draw for me, and I don't even model in HO, but in S. I saw the material
>> on S in the June issue a bit in the way of filler but still helpful. I
>> hope we do not lose RMC, but I cannot halt the forward and inexorable
>> march of demographics.
>>
>> Tom Baker
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Demise of RMC?

Thomas Baker
 

I hope you gentlemen see it more clearly than I. If your analyses are correct, I will certainly applaud the progress.

Tom Baker
Tom Baker wrote

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars.


I don't know if that's true or not. Some RPM'ers have never really been into
actual modeling, and others crank out stuff like there's no tomorrow. But on
Facebook and at train shows in the past few years I've run into many model
railroaders who are really into detailing RTR stuff -- and there are quite
a few people now making a living selling realistically weathered -- albeit
mostly modern -- freight cars. But outside of STMFC, MFCL, etc I rarely ever
run into someone who's really into freight cars like we are. There are 2 or
3 people at my train club (out of 50+ members) who I consider to be real
RPM'ers when it comes to actual -trains- and only 1 person (besides myself)
in the Free-Mo group I belong to who is really into RPM modeling. I need to
go to Naperville, Collinsville and Cocoa Beach to recharge the RPM batteries,
because I just don't encounter it locally.

There's a guy I see on Facebook -- Gary Christensen -- whose weathering and
modeling is so spectacular (rolling stock, diesels, track, structures) that
when you first see them you think it's a prototype photo. Yet as far as I
can tell, every single one of his train models is RTR (with added details).
And -- he's not even 30 years old yet!

Model Railroading isn't going downhill, IMO -- it's just becoming more and
more diverse, and perhaps more fragmented. There's 50x as much "product"
out there than when I was a kid -- Somebody is supporting it all!

Tim O'Connor



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kits and kit building

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Baker wrote:

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars. My HO modeling friend surmises that many of those Sunshine kits sit on modelers shelves in the basement, attic, or garage and there they stay. He is probably right.


    Yes, there are many thousands of unbuilt kits all over North America and for that matter, the world. But plenty of them are OTHER than resin. I have been in plenty of basements with stacks of kits: InterMountain, Branchline, Red Caboose, and even Athearn blue box and MDC. For that matter, I have seen plenty of RTR freight cars still in the boxes they came in, never yet opened. Lots of us do stockpile (my word) and lots of us hang onto "stuff" for extended periods. Let us not think it is all "high accuracy" stuff or resin only.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Demise of RMC?

MDelvec952
 


I know we're all risking the gallows for talking about this, but since RMC is a magazine of choice for most of the RPM community because of its steady flow of quality STMFC content, I'd like to add a few thoughts. Ten years of my life was spent with Carstens as a stafffer and three times that long as a contributor, so I've got a lot of heart and soul in that place, and many personal relationships.

Rumors of its demise are exagerated. Times have been tough and there are reorganization plans in the works that could take on a few forms. Please be patient, but the next few weeks are significant. The appreciation of the venerable title of RMC is not lost in the reorganization.

Yes, there is more information flowing in far more outlets then ever in our field, and yes that in every area the print media is evolving in the world of electronic distribution. Wise business people are learning how to comingle print and digital media rather than to compete against digital.

I've presided over an NRHS Chapter for 20 years, and from that perch I'll also venture that the model railroad hobby is still growing. The Thomas generation is getting old enough to buy train sets and many of today's railroad buffs are getting some of their jollies on line with hours of model railroad videos on youtube, facebook and elsewhere. While the ranks of the traditional model railroad clubs are thinning through attrition, there are other forms that are popping up. One growing area is the Train Sim crowd, building pikes and creating equipment in MicroSoft Train Simulator. A couple of our members are quietly recreating long-lost and abandoned railroads full size with actual scenery and grades, and designing proper equipment for that territory and swapping files.

Any future venture of any kind in our field is going to need a digital presence. While I wouldn't say our Chapter has the best web site in the field, I do keep up a good facebook presence and through that we've raised more than $40k in contributions and grants for restoration projects, a great amount of excitement that gets the computer crowd trackside when something unusual comes through, and even the young kids (14 and up) are getting out to scrape paint and learn about working on the real stuff, and riding the caboose, bunny and Santa Trains. Our members are building a three-rail, two-level pike in our Lackawanna baggage car, and a couple of the youngins are helping with that. Granted, North Jersey is the mostly densely populated part of America.  But while the kids are coming out and watching trains and looking at model railroad videos on their smart phones, I'm not sure the NRHS Chapters and traditional model railroad clubs are going to survive as the dues go up to keep up with rising rents and insurance costs. The NRHS will be bankrupt in two years if it doesn't make some radical changes soon.  In our area the larger private model railroads all need operators, and I'd guess that more modelers are operating those than at model railroad clubs. Since those are not open to the public, it requires a certain amount of social interaction to be invited. On a personal side, many of the resin kits I've built are running on private railroads. I don't expect to build my own railroad until the Railroad Retirement Board sends along my "cash for clunkers."

The hobby is evolving. Without getting into why RMC is reorganizing or what the employees are going through, it does look like the magazine and its philosophy on content will continue.

              ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Baker bakert@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Demise of RMC?

 
Tim and Dave,

Well, you are certainly right about change in delivery of information
media, but it does seem to me that fewer of us are out there in all
scales. I know of three railroad historical societies--and there may be
others I don't know of--that have gone to the E-zine format, a very good
idea, I think. I also know of several societies that have experienced a
drop in membership due to the passing of their members.

Then there is an interesting shift among occurring among the hi-rail
crowd, a push toward greater prototype accuracy. I am no hi-railer, but
I will have to admit that even the 3-rail manufacturers have produced
some great looking prototype locomotives. Problem is these guys still
are not at the level of accuracy we scalers want, and that is true
especially with the freight cars that come off the line: They're better
than those truncated things, the 6464-series box cars for example, but
have a long way to go before the product would satisfy us even if we
were in O gauge.

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars.
My HO modeling friend surmises that many of those Sunshine kits sit on
modelers shelves in the basement, attic, or garage and there they stay.
He is probably right.
> Tom
>
> I don't think it is demographics at all -- In the 1960's when I was a
> teenager, my Dad got Trains, Model Railroader and RMC. And there were a
> few hundred published books, with some prototype railroads having 15 or
> even 20 titles! My Dad had maybe 30 or 40 books including Car Builder Cycs.
>
> By the 1990's we also had Mainline Modeler, Model Railroading, and Railmodel
> Journal. And new publishers cranking out new books every week. Usually more
> than several every week. Heck we're up to issue #28 of the RP Cyclopedia!
>
> Now we have modeling ezines from historical societies, more books than ever,
> and tens of thousands of blogs, web sites, photo sites, archival sites, etc.
> People have collections of hundreds of books and special publications.
>
> I subscribe to RMC and I enjoy the magazine but really, in this hurricane
> of railroad and modeling information that we live in, will we really feel
> at all deprived without it? Some months I have no time to read even one
> article.
>
> It's not demographics -- it's information overload!
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
>
>> Although I had no idea of failed payments to authors and photographers,
>> I have wondered what is happening at RMC. First we lose Mainline Modeler
>> and now maybe RMC. I haven't figured out what exactly causes the muted
>> draw Model Railroader has for me, but its draw is definitely muted. The
>> series of articles by Ted Culotta and Clark Probst were really a big
>> draw for me, and I don't even model in HO, but in S. I saw the material
>> on S in the June issue a bit in the way of filler but still helpful. I
>> hope we do not lose RMC, but I cannot halt the forward and inexorable
>> march of demographics.
>>
>> Tom Baker
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Demise of RMC?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom Baker wrote

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars.


I don't know if that's true or not. Some RPM'ers have never really been into
actual modeling, and others crank out stuff like there's no tomorrow. But on
Facebook and at train shows in the past few years I've run into many model
railroaders who are really into detailing RTR stuff -- and there are quite
a few people now making a living selling realistically weathered -- albeit
mostly modern -- freight cars. But outside of STMFC, MFCL, etc I rarely ever
run into someone who's really into freight cars like we are. There are 2 or
3 people at my train club (out of 50+ members) who I consider to be real
RPM'ers when it comes to actual -trains- and only 1 person (besides myself)
in the Free-Mo group I belong to who is really into RPM modeling. I need to
go to Naperville, Collinsville and Cocoa Beach to recharge the RPM batteries,
because I just don't encounter it locally.

There's a guy I see on Facebook -- Gary Christensen -- whose weathering and
modeling is so spectacular (rolling stock, diesels, track, structures) that
when you first see them you think it's a prototype photo. Yet as far as I
can tell, every single one of his train models is RTR (with added details).
And -- he's not even 30 years old yet!

Model Railroading isn't going downhill, IMO -- it's just becoming more and
more diverse, and perhaps more fragmented. There's 50x as much "product"
out there than when I was a kid -- Somebody is supporting it all!

Tim O'Connor


Fw: [brasscollectors] new YouTube Clip

Brad Andonian
 

Bill,

I will look to get some of this; do you mix it with thinner or just shoot straight?    What pressure is best?

Thank you again!
Brad

PS: I have had good results with Hunterline stains.     I hand brush them over floquil.

On Friday, August 8, 2014 8:55 AM, Bill Lane wrote:


Brushing never worked for me. I always spray. http://www.ebay.com/itm/271562561242
 
Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
 
See my layout progress at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com/
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ 
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
 
From: Brad Andonian [mailto:cereshill@...]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 11:37 AM
To: Bill Lane
Subject: FW: [brasscollectors] new YouTube Clip
 
Great clip, just subscribed. I love your hopper interiors! What is your preferred method?
Brad

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
 
From: 'Bill Lane' bill@... [brasscollectors] ;
To: ; S Scale Model Railraoding ; ; ; B & O List ; Pennsylvania Railroad ; PRR Modeling ; S Trains ; Steam Era Freight cars ;
Subject: [brasscollectors] new YouTube Clip
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 3:19:08 PM
 
 
Here is my new YouTube clip  http://youtu.be/Nkd0LA_pAsA with a massive train on my layout.  It is among other things many of the cars I have painted all in 1 large train! Please give it a look.
 
Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
 
See my layout progress at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com/
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ 
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
 
 



Our Hobby time was Demise of RMC?

Greg Martin
 

I for one don't agree entirely with this. I think this list, Prototype Rail (as well as many other Prototype Railroad meets) tells a different story. Although there those are many amongst us that do buy "Checkbook" models I do believe that most of us still like to build and bash kits perhaps more now than at anytime. My belief is based on the availability of the information on line, in groups and in "Internet modeling" the craftsmen are coming back to the hobby many building resin kits or bashing styrene kits. How can one tell, well look at the interest in 3D production and I am sure that Bill Lane can share his recent endeavors and his in S Scale site. 
 
A good example of this is that my brother is in town on vacation and while the wives are enjoying the Oregon Coast our first venture out was to the Whistle Stop of Portland for detail parts, I spent $35.00 in a heartbeat. Since then he has been working on his SHAKE_N_TAKE cars from this year's presentation and has made great progress while I have been decaling my BX-31 and my cars is nearly complete. Once I finish the Santa Fe car I will move on to the Rock Island car, modeling while writing the instruction sheets. This year's project was from the very beginning going to include an "Internet build" via our Yahoo Group website. The participation has been tremendous. These projects have merged kitbashing of styrene current production cars with resin parts to complete our projects and certainly composite bashing isn't new, what is new is the "Internet build" and the SHAKE_N_TAKE isn't the first, but for a public forum, non-railroad specific it certainly stands out. My brother noted that once involved in a project such as these modeling from photos you gain an incredible knowledge of the project.
 
There has been and always will be "Checkbook Modelers" who buy the ready to run kits, but I believe that the model railroad craftsman is back stronger now and likened to the hobby of the early to mid-1990's with more demands on historical modeling. We can thank all the model Historians for this revival and most are on this list. Without a historical background provided by this group of historians most projects would be doomed.
 
The word here is get motivated by MODELING. Join an Internet build and build along with the rest of the folks. Arm chair modeling is not nearly as satisfying as being the craftsman. Imagine, Create and Share.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Tom  writes in part:

>Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars. My HO modeling friend surmises that many of those Sunshine kits sit on modelers shelves in the basement, attic, or garage and there they stay. He is probably right.
 Tom<


Re: Demise of RMC?

Thomas Baker
 

Tim and Dave,

Well, you are certainly right about change in delivery of information media, but it does seem to me that fewer of us are out there in all scales. I know of three railroad historical societies--and there may be others I don't know of--that have gone to the E-zine format, a very good idea, I think. I also know of several societies that have experienced a drop in membership due to the passing of their members.

Then there is an interesting shift among occurring among the hi-rail crowd, a push toward greater prototype accuracy. I am no hi-railer, but I will have to admit that even the 3-rail manufacturers have produced some great looking prototype locomotives. Problem is these guys still are not at the level of accuracy we scalers want, and that is true especially with the freight cars that come off the line: They're better than those truncated things, the 6464-series box cars for example, but have a long way to go before the product would satisfy us even if we were in O gauge.

Another issue is that fewer and fewer scale modelers are building cars. My HO modeling friend surmises that many of those Sunshine kits sit on modelers shelves in the basement, attic, or garage and there they stay. He is probably right.
Tom

I don't think it is demographics at all -- In the 1960's when I was a
teenager, my Dad got Trains, Model Railroader and RMC. And there were a
few hundred published books, with some prototype railroads having 15 or
even 20 titles! My Dad had maybe 30 or 40 books including Car Builder Cycs.

By the 1990's we also had Mainline Modeler, Model Railroading, and Railmodel
Journal. And new publishers cranking out new books every week. Usually more
than several every week. Heck we're up to issue #28 of the RP Cyclopedia!

Now we have modeling ezines from historical societies, more books than ever,
and tens of thousands of blogs, web sites, photo sites, archival sites, etc.
People have collections of hundreds of books and special publications.

I subscribe to RMC and I enjoy the magazine but really, in this hurricane
of railroad and modeling information that we live in, will we really feel
at all deprived without it? Some months I have no time to read even one
article.

It's not demographics -- it's information overload!

Tim O'Connor




Although I had no idea of failed payments to authors and photographers, I have wondered what is happening at RMC. First we lose Mainline Modeler and now maybe RMC. I haven't figured out what exactly causes the muted draw Model Railroader has for me, but its draw is definitely muted. The series of articles by Ted Culotta and Clark Probst were really a big draw for me, and I don't even model in HO, but in S. I saw the material on S in the June issue a bit in the way of filler but still helpful. I hope we do not lose RMC, but I cannot halt the forward and inexorable march of demographics.

Tom Baker


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Western Pacific HO 40ft PS1 box car kits

Andy Carlson
 

Hello,
I have some new old stock Intermountain Railway factory decorated kits for the following WP PS1 40 foot 7 foot single door box cars:

40471-11 Freight car brown, black ends w/ silver lettering and medallion, blt 1952
40476-01
40476-02
40476-03  All 3 cars are built '56, and are in yellow lettering, fully spelled out "WESTERN PACIFIC" and "Feather river route"

I am offering all 4 cars for $79, which includes shipping to the US. I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee, I can accept PayPal. Questions? Contact me off-list (Please) at

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Demise of RMC?

asychis@...
 

I think Tim has the best take on this. 
 
There is so much information available today it is overwhelming.  I find it difficult to stay up with all the information, but I'd rather have that than what we had in the 1970s where information really was exchanged at a monthly (magazines) or quarterly (historical societies) rate unless you were talking on the phone. Now we exchange information daily, hourly, or less. 
 
Think of the old days when you mailed a modeling question to a magazine and waited a month or more to get an answer; if they answered at all.  Now I can post a question to multiple sites and possibly have an answer (or multiple answers) typically within 24 hours. Doesn't that kind of make the Q&A columns in today's MR, RMC, Trains, etc. seem a bit silly by comparison.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like RMC, Trains, Classic Trains, and MR, and find them useful.  But these magazines do represent a different era. Model Railroad News is kind of a hybrid.  I heard on a podcast yesterday (another form of information exchange) that Model Railroad Hobbyist e-zine has over 100,000 viewers per month! 
 
Just to note, I consider RRCYC more along the lines of a book than a magazine.
 
Jerry Michels


Admin: The New Wing to the Moderate Jail Opens

Mikebrock
 

I'm pleased to announce this morning that the new wing to the Moderate Jail, named The Demise of RMC, is now operational and has two new members [ sounds more classy than inmates ]. However, I have to admit that the facilities aren't really new. I understand that we acquired some very old structures used by the Germans for Russian POWs back during WW2. For those wishing to continue the terminated thread, don't worry, I'm pretty sure the new members will have cleaned the place up soon.

Mike Brock
STMFC Jailer


Re: Demise of RMC?

Larry Wolohon
 

I also know several others that have had articles published in RMC & they are certainly in no hurry to pay them. It would seem to me that this would cause authors to submit their articles to some other publication & the number of articles that RMC would receive to put in their magazines would diminish.

But what do I know, fact is stranger than fiction.

However my favorite magazines are Classic Trains, O Scale Trains & publications from railroad historical societies such as the Great Northern Historical Society & the Union Pacific Historical Society.

Larry Wolohon


From: "Era Freight cars, Steam" <STMFC@...>
To: "Era Freight cars, Steam"
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 10:04:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Demise of RMC?

 

List,

I am not privy to the financial dealings of RMC, however, as a past
author of a number of articles in the magazine, I can attest to the
fact that RMC is slow to unresponsive in paying authors. I have
discussed this with several others who have had their articles
published, so my experience is not an isolated occurrence. This is
not a recent trend, but has been going on for many years.

That said, I think RMC provides very interesting articles, many great
modeling articles, and is by far my favorite among the general model
railroad monthly magazines. I don't even know why I still subscribe
to Model Railroader, who just recycles old articles every few
years. If RMC goes under, I will miss it.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM



new YouTube Clip

Bill Lane
 

Here is my new YouTube clip  http://youtu.be/Nkd0LA_pAsA with a massive train on my layout.  It is among other things many of the cars I have painted all in 1 large train! Please give it a look.

 

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
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Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

 

See my layout progress at:

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(Trading is MUCH preferred)
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Re: Demise of RMC?

Chuck Cover
 

List,

I am not privy to the financial dealings of RMC, however, as a past author of a number of articles in the magazine, I can attest to the fact that RMC is slow to unresponsive in paying authors. I have discussed this with several others who have had their articles published, so my experience is not an isolated occurrence. This is not a recent trend, but has been going on for many years.

That said, I think RMC provides very interesting articles, many great modeling articles, and is by far my favorite among the general model railroad monthly magazines. I don't even know why I still subscribe to Model Railroader, who just recycles old articles every few years. If RMC goes under, I will miss it.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: SP F-50-3

Tim O'Connor
 


Before embarking on the F-50-3 (which is of great interest to SP modelers)
Andrew should check with the SPH&TS which now has a manufacturing sideline
that has said their plans include a Harriman flat car, in addition to the
ex-Red Caboose F-70-7, the F-70-10, the bulkhead versions, a PMT round-nose
trailer, etc.

Tim O'Connor


At 8/7/2014 05:48 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Westerfield Models is interested in doing the F-50-3 flats.  PE  had these and would make a welcome addition to the PE freight cars.

I suggested he reference the Thompson freight car book Vol 3.

If any of you are interested you might want to contact Andrew at Westerfieldmodels@...

eric


Re: Speedwitch Website updated

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom,

I thought so too, but then is it a surprise if we're expecting it? I'm confused.

Maybe it's an Illinois Central box car. :-)

Bill Welch wrote:

Also there is a surprise appearing at Collinsville.
Oh Lord, I hope it's not Denny in his Speedo!

Otherwise, it's probably the pilot model of a new steam era freight car kit from a new manufacturer.

Tom Madden


Re: Demise of RMC?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

I don't think it is demographics at all -- In the 1960's when I was a
teenager, my Dad got Trains, Model Railroader and RMC. And there were a
few hundred published books, with some prototype railroads having 15 or
even 20 titles! My Dad had maybe 30 or 40 books including Car Builder Cycs.

By the 1990's we also had Mainline Modeler, Model Railroading, and Railmodel
Journal. And new publishers cranking out new books every week. Usually more
than several every week. Heck we're up to issue #28 of the RP Cyclopedia!

Now we have modeling ezines from historical societies, more books than ever,
and tens of thousands of blogs, web sites, photo sites, archival sites, etc.
People have collections of hundreds of books and special publications.

I subscribe to RMC and I enjoy the magazine but really, in this hurricane
of railroad and modeling information that we live in, will we really feel
at all deprived without it? Some months I have no time to read even one
article.

It's not demographics -- it's information overload!

Tim O'Connor

Although I had no idea of failed payments to authors and photographers,
I have wondered what is happening at RMC. First we lose Mainline Modeler
and now maybe RMC. I haven't figured out what exactly causes the muted
draw Model Railroader has for me, but its draw is definitely muted. The
series of articles by Ted Culotta and Clark Probst were really a big
draw for me, and I don't even model in HO, but in S. I saw the material
on S in the June issue a bit in the way of filler but still helpful. I
hope we do not lose RMC, but I cannot halt the forward and inexorable
march of demographics.

Tom Baker


ADMIN: Re: Demise of RMC?

Mikebrock
 

Chuck Davis writes:

"Looking through the June issue of RMC which finally arrived, there is an informative prototype article on The Great Northern' s Plywood Boxcars by Steffan Ehnbom, Scott Lupia's beautiful modeling of a SCL E7B, as well as Bill's overview of the Valley Forge RPM Meet in March which I think will be of interest to many in the group."

OK...not critical, not against the group's rules.

"I've heard their story that it was at the printers who was is in the process of moving, but I've also gotten emails that Carsten's failed to pay taxes, make payroll and that it's been for sale."

Emails? From who? These comments are exactly why it is against the group's rules to make critical comments about the business practices of a manufacturer and, in this case, RMC produces information. Regardless of whether a member believes it is acceptable to make such comments, it remains AGAINST the group's rules. The issue is NOT open to discussion on the group. The very next such comment will land the author in Moderate Jail!

I will also note that STMFC mgt will provide information about RMC and other manufacturers when official, accurate info becomes available.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner and Jailer


Re: Demise of RMC?

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I don't think it is necessarily demographics, but the rise of mobile technology. MRH has grown considerably and has a higher readership than RMC. Older demographics may not like the medium as much, but there are readers of some demographic, and steam era content, at MRH. And blogs and websites and lists are likely replacing or picking up the readers dropping RMC. I guess that is a demographic march of a different kind.

I'm convinced the hobby is changing in many respects, some of which make me uncomfortable or require adjustment in my habits and expectations, but others have made me happy or even more comfortable in the hobby. I don't feel like playing taps, but I do have to change the tune...

I'd rather have access to the info that my pad, digital camera, and the internet have given me and lose a printed magazine, than keep the printed magazine and not have had the other changes.

Dave

On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:41 PM, "Tom Baker bakert@andrews.edu [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I hope we do not lose RMC, but I cannot halt the forward and inexorable
march of demographics.
Tom Baker

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