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Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

Benjamin Hom
 

Tom Casey wrote:
http://digital.library.louisville.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/royal/id/3508/rec/1191

Looking through the slats of the truck, my guess at the car number is "8405", and it also still has the K brake, on what appears to be an unrebuilt 40' double sheathed box car.  The interior framing of the roof suggests a Murphy flexible flat panel roof.  Could this be a USRA car?"
Absolutely not.  Note that the car has a left-opening door.

Ben Hom


Re: Lights out at the "Pub"

Andy Harman
 

At 12:43 PM 8/23/2014 -0700, you wrote:
Speaking for myself, I have happily submitted articles to the magazine of my historical society (SPH&TS) with full knowledge that there was no payment.
When I submitting my article to RMC, it was rather naively with no expectation of payment - at least not with any number in mind. I had no idea whether to expect 5 bucks, 500 bucks, or 5000 bucks. I wasn't doing it for the money. I was documenting a model I would have built anyway, and with any luck I'd get an ego trip out of it. In the end, I was paid quite a bit more than I expected. Enough to at least cover the cost of materials for the model including a lot of stuff that basically was scrapped in the process. Not enough to quit my day job or try to make a living at it, or even something I could count on to pay for my hobby. I'm glad I did it, but I never did another print article. I prefer the 2-way presentation of a clinic or just documenting progress on line. The whole status thing of being a published author went from a big time goal to a novelty to BTDT got the T shirt in a very short span of time.

I managed to survive my thirties and forties without giving in to the temptation to try and turn my hobby into a business. Somewhere along the way I learned from other people's mistakes. As to the many who have done so and in the process greatly enhanced my own modeling experience - it's great as long as it's fun. When I see a friend who used to be a hard core modeler now on the other side of the fence grousing about rivet counters, all I can say is another one bites the dust. I'm going to stay on this side of the fence.

Andy


Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

gary laakso
 

As noted before, the door opens to the left, unlike the USRA double sheathed boxcar.  Could it be a Leigh Valley boxcar?  
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock, sans a Bolo
 

Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories
 
 

Lookinh th rought the slats of the truck, my guess at the car number is "8405", and it also still has the K brake, on what appears to be an unrebuilt 40' double sheathed box car.  The interior framing of the roof suggests a Murphy flexible flat panel roof.  
 
Could this be a USRA car?
 
Tom Casey
Perhaps an example of early recycling, this is a circa 1942 photo of old Southern Bell Telephone Company telephone directories being loaded into a boxcar.  The photo is from the University of Louisville’s digital collection.
 
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Lights out at the "Pub"

Andy Harman
 

At 10:21 AM 8/23/2014 -0700, you wrote:

It's funny how rarely people model SHINY BRAND NEW freight cars . . .
Watching the lines in and around Pullman Standard's Hammond plant, it was fairly common to see a cut of shiny brand new freight cars. But like a lot of things, shine doesn't scale down well. It's difficult enough to photograph a 1:1 piece of rolling stock that has a shine on it, even more so for a model. Definitely something to be uses sparingly.

Andy


Re: Lights out at the "Pub"

Andy Harman
 

It's hard to believe but I think it has been a decade and a half since I read the first rant from a magazine editor warning of the evils of "the internet". IRRC that was the first magazine to pull the plug.

I wrote a rebuttal back then... it's all old news but it was clear to me that even 15 years ago, the printed magazines were scrambling to hold on to their relevancy, and apparently that included discrediting other sources of information.

Which is pretty fascinating - as recently as 2014, a major manufacturer put out a product based on mediocre drawings published more than 35 years ago - the third manufacturer to do so - when this particular item is so well documented you could probably find out the wire gauge and tension force of the toilet paper holder retainer spring.

I think before the mid 1990s, the hobby press enjoyed an elite status. Once published, it had to be true. Corrections never received the hype of the original cover story, nor would anyone have paid attention even if they did. Once the barn doors were open, and the e-waves filled up with the unwashed masses rubbing elbows with the same elitists that wrote the articles, came the realization that everyone is human, and anyone can make mistakes. And that the best way to get at the truth is to sift through it all, and never limit your fact finding to a single anointed source.

I've enjoyed all the magazines over the years. I grew up with them, and often late at night my dreams were fueled by articles published before I was born, from my dad's stack of musty old issues of MR, RMC and Model Trains (remember them?). But in terms of prototype modeling there's no putting the genie back in the bottle and I wouldn't even if I could. I really don't know where paper press is headed, and it's not my problem to solve. Personally, I prefer paper. While I like the concept of MRH and acknowledge its growth guess what... I don't read it! In fact, I rarely read anything on line that is more than a page. I don't own a kindle or anything like it either. I still was buying hobby magazines right up until their last day.

Andy


Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

tyesac@...
 

Lookinh th rought the slats of the truck, my guess at the car number is "8405", and it also still has the K brake, on what appears to be an unrebuilt 40' double sheathed box car.  The interior framing of the roof suggests a Murphy flexible flat panel roof.  
 
Could this be a USRA car?
 
Tom Casey

Perhaps an example of early recycling, this is a circa 1942 photo of old Southern Bell Telephone Company telephone directories being loaded into a boxcar.  The photo is from the University of Louisville’s digital collection.
 
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Degrees of Weathering

arved_grass
 

I think it's against the law to wear a tie here in Florida, Mike. But if you feel compelled, I think you'd look best in a Bolo. :-D
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Mike Brock' brockm@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Degrees of Weathering
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 12:07 AM


 









Lots of opinions today. Frankly, I'm just
concerned that I was almost

referred to as a gentleman.



I guess we ought to get back to frt cars. And, having said
that, I am NOT

taking issue with the degree of weathering that one might
wish to apply to a

steam era frt car, but I will note that I see in many photos
a surprising

lack of really heavy weathering...i.e. with paint jobs
obscured by dirt,

rain, sun faded, various commodities, and even the result of
traveling

through many tunnels. There is no doubt that steam era frt
cars were not

clean by anyone's criteria. OTOH, when viewed from a
distance, the lettering

is often not concealed by extreme weathering although
sometimes it is.

Probably my favorite weathering photo of the 40's is
that on the May '92

cover of MM, the Proviso frt yard in Chicago in May '43,
photo taken by

Delano. The numerous cars are fairly easy to determine their
owners from

their lettering. I seriously doubt that the C&NW cars
were recently washed

nor do I believe that Chicago was a strong leader in clean
air policies in

'43. Let me hasten to add that the numerous cars shown
in the photo are NOT

spotless as a model might appear straight from a
manufacturer. I will also

note that one nice aspect of weathering is its ability to
cover up flaws by

the model's builder [ gasp ].



I'll add that the case for weathering [ probably
primarily sun fading ] is

vividly displayed on the long trains of PFE reefers which
seem to contain

every shade of Daylight Orange that could possibly occur.
Nevertheless,

usually the PFE lettering is visible.



Mike Brock...Do gentlemen have to wear ties?













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Re: Dalman 1 level trucks

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

Tim's response to the question----

"
What is the best stand-in for HO scale Dalman-1 level trucks?.........
 TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're 
going to get."  Attributed to Richard Hendrickson
 is helpful.  However, this answer appears to apply to the 50 ton application as Richard's response was with respect to ATSF Bx-11/12 boxcars.  Since there were then contemporary 70 ton applications (hoppers and gondolas) of the Dalman 1-level truck,  does the same recommendation apply?  In my brief review of some photos, I would say it might.  The wheel base is good at 5'- 8" as well.

Are there any better choices????    Regards---Mike Schleigh
 


Re: Vintage-Dating Freight Cars With Weathering

Max Robin
 

Mr. Hom,

 

I would greatly appreciate a copy of the above pdf file. Thank you for offering.

 

Thank you for sharing,

 

 

Max S. Robin, PE

Email:     m_robin@...  ç [m underscore robin at cheatriver dot com, all lower case w/ no spaces]

 

Smail:    Max S. Robin, PE

              Cheat River Engineering Inc.

              P. O. Box 289

              Denville, NJ 07834

 

Max

Email:    m_robin@...  ç [m underscore robin at cheatriver dot com, all lower case w/ no spaces]

 

Smail:   Max S. Robin, PE

              Cheat River Engineering Inc.

              P. O. Box 289

              Denville, NJ 07834

 

Voice:  973 – 945 – 5007 (9:00am-10:00pm M-F, Eastern)

 

 

 


Re: Dalman 1 level trucks

Tim O'Connor
 

What is the best stand-in for HO scale Dalman-1 level trucks?
> I know some time ago Richard responded to the same question but
> unfortuntely I cannot find that post.
> Peter Aue

Peter here is Richard's email of 2010-01-03 --

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson


Dalman 1 level trucks

peteraue
 

What is the best stand-in for HO scale Dalman-1 level trucks. I know some time ago Richard responded to the same question but unfortuntely I cannot find that post.

Peter Aue


Re: Responding personally to a post

rob.mclear3@...
 

Bob
I seem to able to reply off list but I don't get any individual emails and troll the list on the webpage only.  When you hit reply the Subject line will come up.   Then hit the double arrow to the left of it, a "To" line will come up and there is a small arrow in it on the right hit that and a number of addresses come up I then just change the address to the one without the group name in it, there are usually four and the individual name address is usually, but not always, the second address.   That should get you to the individual and not the group.

Rob McLear
Australia.


Richard's Hendrickson's Celebration of Life

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

Today I received a note from Sandra Hendrickson in which she asked me to express to the STMFC her thanks for the many kind words about Richard from members of the STMFC. She also described Richard's Celebration of Life which occurred on August 16. I think the best way to pass on Sandra's thanks is to simply include her message to me:

"Richard's Celebration of Life was held on Saturday, August 16th, at our Ashland Community Center (the same place I rented to celebrate his 80th birthday!) There were an extraordinary number of people there who gathered to share stories, adventures, memories and to connect with each other to give some closure to Richard's passing. Tony Thompson gave a wonderful, abbreviated version of his Memorial blog. Greg Martin, from Salem, OR was there too. As were my chosen Ashland "family", my siblings, and Richard's children and ex-wife (who is also my friend). There is no way to relate to you the feelings that circulated in that Community Center. They were powerful, and often joyful. I wanted to write to you again, to ask you to relay my gratitude to all those members of the STMFC who sent wonderful, sharing E-mails and stories about their relationships with Richard. I treasure those notes.
Thank you,
Sandra"

She also mentioned in another message about STMFC members..."I hope that if any of them have occasion to come to southern Oregon, they'll stop by for a visit".

Mike Brock


Re: RPC Volume 1; 2; 4; 7

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I need RPC # 2, #4 and #7. Condition need not be pristine. I have an extra (and sealed/unopened) #1 if someone needs it.
Thanks,
 
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA











Re: RPC Volume 3

Greg Martin
 

You guys might try Whistle Stop Hobbies in Portland Oregon for your missing issues. Just saying.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 8/24/2014 3:54:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Join the club.  only one i'm missing.  Dennis Williams 
 
Dennis Williams/Owner


On Sunday, August 24, 2014 2:44 PM, "ku0a@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
RPC Volume 3 is the only volume not in my collection. Two years ago I bid on an eBay offering for Volumes 1-3, and I quit bidding at $120. In May 2013, Volume 3 alone sold at auction for $161.50. I'm not about to pay that kind of money, even for the sake of having a complete collection. If anybody out there has a duplicate Volume 3 at a sane price, please contact me OFF LIST.

Thanks,
Nelson Moyer



Re: How To Reply To An Individual Group Member’s Post

Chuck Higdon
 

These are of course instructions for Yahoo mail users. Each person’s email viewing software will be different and display things differently. Looking at the “to” box may be the best advise.

Take care,

Chuck Higdon



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] How To Reply To An Individual Group Member’s Post





If you need to reply to a single group member and not to the entire group, follow these steps:



1. Open the message you'd like to reply to.

2. Click “Reply” at the top right.

3. Click the “Expand Header” icon. This icon is the two chevrons pointing downward at the left of the word “Subject”.

4. On the "To" line click the single chevron icon at the right for a drop-down list to select the email address to which you'd like to send your reply.

5. Enter your message and click “Send”.



Yahoo actually has these instructions buried in their Help Section, however, I added additional text because the Yahoo text was extremely terse and cryptic.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I was thinking the other day that with the disappearance of a number of good sources of online photos (on which, being overseas, I'm especially reliant) it's probably a good thing  ... as now I can't even *see* the things I'd like to model in TT but can't, due to lack of kits and the now total extinction of (TT) decal supplies. 

Luckily my other prototype - Australian - is looking up.  Aussie manufacturers have been way out ahead of the pack in 3D, and lettering needs are simpler ... a number of railway systems there hardly interchanged freight cars at all.


Ben Scanlon

Tottenham Hale, UK


Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?

 

Ron and I lived close by; we visited each other’s layouts.  We started business at almost the same time and he did the vast majority of my decals.  If time was short I’d drive to his house to pick them up as soon as the ink was dry.  He told me a few years ago retirement was getting close. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
 
 

Yep and equally distressing on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he does the M&StL decals for KJ’s Trains.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: RPC Volume 3

Dennis Williams
 

Join the club.  only one i'm missing.  Dennis Williams 
 
Dennis Williams/Owner


On Sunday, August 24, 2014 2:44 PM, "ku0a@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
RPC Volume 3 is the only volume not in my collection. Two years ago I bid on an eBay offering for Volumes 1-3, and I quit bidding at $120. In May 2013, Volume 3 alone sold at auction for $161.50. I'm not about to pay that kind of money, even for the sake of having a complete collection. If anybody out there has a duplicate Volume 3 at a sane price, please contact me OFF LIST.

Thanks,
Nelson Moyer



Book Announcement

Karen Parker
 

The Chesapeake and Ohio historical society has recently published a new book, "Chesapeake and Ohio Freight Cars 1937-1946", by Carl Shaver, Al Kresse, and myself, that should be of interest to many steam era freight car modelers and historians. This 224 page hardcover book covers all 77 classes of freight car that were on the C&O roster between 1937 and 1946, including cars that were built in the early decades of the century and cars that lasted into the late decades of the century. The book is printed on coated paper and includes over 300 drawings and photos. Priced at $34.95, the book is available through the COHS web site, www.chessieshop.com, or can be ordered by phone at (540) 862-2210. Sample pages from the book can be viewed in the file "FrtCarBookSamplePages-a.pdf", located in the Files section of this group.

Some of you may have seen a similar book, published by the COHS in the 1980s. This book, while based on that book, is almost entirely new, with all new photos, and many more of them, and a lot more information. It has also been extended in scope, covering the years from 1937 to 1946 that were not included in the original book.


Karen


Karen Parker

karenparker@...




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