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Re: details (was Lights out at the "Pub")

Andy Harman
 

At 12:03 PM 8/24/2014 -0700, you wrote:
eventually bailed, and would be unlikely ever to join a club again. That plus the fact that some of us members actually worked on the layout, others only were interested in running trains, period. The disparity in effort was a little tiresome too.
I was involved in a modular group for some years off and on. It had fairly loose standards and virtually no standards in terms of continuity or any minimum level of detail. That was ok with me, the club's main purpose was to give guys who didn't have layouts an opportunity to run their stuff. And that described me at the time. In particular, I wanted to run full length passenger trains, which didn't fit my 4x8 in my 2-bedroom apartment. Unfortunately the "run bosses" of this group, who basically were adult versions of the kids who didn't get to be hall monitors back in junior high, were obsessed with continuous running and didn't allow for any "debug time" when you set up. Long cars with Kadees tend to have problems with roller coaster joints between modules, and they simply didn't tolerate any fiddling.

One guy used Walthers Goo to glue the couplers together on his AHM passenger cars. Another guy - who never built his own layout - displayed a brass locomotive on his module for years and years. It was banned after one trip around the layout, and he had no opportunity to tinker or do even the most basic tuning. And he was ok with that. I had enough of it after just a few shows. That club became obsessed with winning the popular vote / peoples choice award at every show and did some rather psychotic stuff - like setting up in a figure eight with supposedly electronic sensors to prevent T-boning. It didn't.

Kato track on the floor was a big improvement in my life.

Andy


Re: RPC Volume 3

Andy Harman
 

At 01:44 PM 8/24/2014 -0500, you wrote:
RPC Volume 3 is the only volume not in my collection. Two years ago I bid on an eBay offering for Volumes 1-3, and I quit bidding at $120. In May 2013, Volume 3 alone sold at auction for $161.50. I'm not about to pay that kind of money, even for the sake of having a complete collection. If anybody out there has a duplicate Volume 3 at a sane price, please contact me OFF LIST.
I am missing quite a few RPCycs and unfortunately I never remember which ones when I come across some for sale.

Kind of surprising that #1 is now considered valuable. Seems like more of #1 were printed than any subsequent volumes and they were being given away like candy at some RPM meets. I know I have more than one. I guess I know what to roll out on ebay next time around :-)

Andy


Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

l have built 4 SC&F SP Harriman headend cars and found them good and also found Jon Cagle to be helpful, l have 2 more to build when l get some spare time.
Paul Doggett 
England 


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"Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Not quite one peice. See previous post.

I need a lot of these cars for a "Coast Mail." They certainly are a lot easier to get than the old Ken Kidder cars, more accurate, but I think the rivet detail is a bit course (not as bad as MDC, but not as good as Archer Transfers).

A lot of "die-hard" modelers are still afraid of resin kits. My experience with the SC&F Harrimans has done little to encourage me. I've also noted that some accomplished modelers have their resin kits assembled professionally, which seems to further tarnish the reputation of how easy resin kits are to assemble. When I contacted SC&F with questions about fitting the doors, I was refered to Mike Brock, here, and a professional model builder.

I've got a couple F&C kits and a WrightTrak C-40-1 caboose kit waiting in my stash, but I'm not going to try those until I can get some experience with the SC&F kits.
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 1:41 PM


 













yep. I recall how amazed I was when Southern Car &
Foundry came out
with

his magnificent Harriman cars, and then learning how few
were sold
(even

though they were fantastically perfect 1-piece bodies) even
to
supposedly

die-hard SP modelers.


I guess we're all 1 percenters! :-)







Clark
has nailed this one.

Take a look at Ebay. There are almost 1/2 million items
listed in the
model train section, of all scales and interests. How many
resin kits are
listed?

I've always maintained that we the self described
prototype modelers are
a tiny percentage of the masses who fiddle with model
trains.

You want more stuff? Get more people to buy it.


Pierre Oliver












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Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Andy Harman
 

At 06:34 PM 8/24/2014 +0000, you wrote:
the modeling is pretty dated at this point (and in fact, some was dated the day the book was published!
I recently found my name via search, intentional mis-spelling, and burning ears on a forum that I no longer participate in. The poster said my article (from 1999) was now "just a footnote in history" due to the release of a new model. Of course it's true, but I doubt if anybody actually built the thing I built using my techniques at the time anyway. But maybe somebody got some ideas to build something else. And the new model is actually better than the one I spent ~18 months building, which is very gratifying - the manufacturer really did their homework. And at the same time, the new RTR model does NOT make mine look sick either. I can line them up and it's pretty difficult to find any differences.

15 years of "relevancy" for a single modeling article probably isn't a record - there's one from 31 years ago that is still highly relevant due to half a dozen manufacturers completely failing to do better, but that may come to an end in the next 12 months. Anyway, none of this is a reason not to build a model or write an article. No regrets whatsoever. The main thing is I built something that was but a dream at the time, with the ego incentive and encouragement from Bill Schaumburg. Got a lot of mileage out of it, and probably will continue as my model runs with its four younger brothers on my present and future layout.

Andy


Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Paul Koehler
 

Andy:

 

Well Stated.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

 

 

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2014 -0500, you wrote:
>Now which would had served the readers better, how to assemble another
>resin kit, or how to bring the Ribside Cars model as close to his standard
>as he could?

Well he made his call, as I would have. The whole concept of "service" is
slippery to begin with. Most of us do what we want and need, to our own
standards. If we document and submit it, maybe it becomes an article. But
I'm not going to be influenced in writing an article, to compensate for a
poor but available product if I have something better to work with.

Andy


Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Andy Harman
 

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2014 -0500, you wrote:
Now which would had served the readers better, how to assemble another resin kit, or how to bring the Ribside Cars model as close to his standard as he could?
Well he made his call, as I would have. The whole concept of "service" is slippery to begin with. Most of us do what we want and need, to our own standards. If we document and submit it, maybe it becomes an article. But I'm not going to be influenced in writing an article, to compensate for a poor but available product if I have something better to work with.

Andy


Re: Lights out at the "Pub"

 

I scan relevant pages and store on my computer. I can them access them
easily when needed.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014 at 11:14 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"







Hi Chuck and list members,


Isn't that what tablet computers are for? Seriously, the only case I have
found anymore where paper copies are useful at the workbench is for drawings
that have been reduced to scale size - that way you can hold the model next
to the drawing to assess your model.

Otherwise, a tablet or even smartphone is superior IMHO - takes less room,
is more versatile.

Claus Schlund

-------- Original message --------
From: "RUTLANDRS@aol.com [STMFC]"
Date:08/25/2014 11:05 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"

It's also a lot easier to have that paper copy at the workbench while
building that steam era freight car.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 8/25/2014 10:21:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:



It's hard to believe but I think it has been a decade and a half since I
read the first rant from a magazine editor warning of the evils of "the
internet". IRRC that was the first magazine to pull the plug.

I wrote a rebuttal back then... it's all old news but it was clear to me
that even 15 years ago, the printed magazines were scrambling to hold on to
their relevancy, and apparently that included discrediting other sources of
information.

Which is pretty fascinating - as recently as 2014, a major manufacturer put
out a product based on mediocre drawings published more than 35 years ago -
the third manufacturer to do so - when this particular item is so well
documented you could probably find out the wire gauge and tension force of
the toilet paper holder retainer spring.

I think before the mid 1990s, the hobby press enjoyed an elite
status. Once published, it had to be true. Corrections never received the
hype of the original cover story, nor would anyone have paid attention even
if they did. Once the barn doors were open, and the e-waves filled up with
the unwashed masses rubbing elbows with the same elitists that wrote the
articles, came the realization that everyone is human, and anyone can make
mistakes. And that the best way to get at the truth is to sift through it
all, and never limit your fact finding to a single anointed source.

I've enjoyed all the magazines over the years. I grew up with them, and
often late at night my dreams were fueled by articles published before I
was born, from my dad's stack of musty old issues of MR, RMC and Model
Trains (remember them?). But in terms of prototype modeling there's no
putting the genie back in the bottle and I wouldn't even if I could. I
really don't know where paper press is headed, and it's not my problem to
solve. Personally, I prefer paper. While I like the concept of MRH and
acknowledge its growth guess what... I don't read it! In fact, I rarely
read anything on line that is more than a page. I don't own a kindle or
anything like it either. I still was buying hobby magazines right up until
their last day.

Andy








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Re: [EXTERNAL] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Yes, and unfortunately John did not take nearly as many shots of freight cars as motive power, but those he did take are really nice.

Elden Gatwood

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I wish more photographers would have taken shots like this back then. Todd Horton



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Todd;

That is a beauty. I adm ired this photo when we were going through John Dziobko's slides for the PRRT&HS' photo books. John's photos are exceptionally "color true" for the timeframe he was taking pics, and of great use when trying to color match.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar

Not sure if this has been posted before.

http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2472

Todd Horton

Southeast Machine Tool Sales

3123 Maple Rd.

Lindale Ga 30147

678-264-7448 CELL

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

Todd Horton
 

I wish more photographers would have taken shots like this back then.   Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

 

 

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Todd;

That is a beauty. I admired this photo when we were going through John Dziobko's slides for the PRRT&HS' photo books. John's photos are exceptionally "color true" for the timeframe he was taking pics, and of great use when trying to color match.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 12:19 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar

Not sure if this has been posted before.

http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2472

Todd Horton

Southeast Machine Tool Sales

3123 Maple Rd.

Lindale Ga 30147

678-264-7448 CELL

706-232-7563 FAX

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Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

Eric Lombard
 

"Not if the car number is 8405, which doesn't match any of the LV muber series for these cars."
http://www.anthraciterailroads.org/lvrrmodeler/boxcars.htm

Actually, there is an appropriate series though for some reason not tabled on this site ( though it is noted in the entry for 78000-78499 to which the cars are renumbered as rebuilt

LV 8000-8499

1925 Rebuilding Program:
    8000-8499    465    from 78000-78499
    8500-8999    408    from 78500-78999
    9000-9499    463    from 79000-79499

1925              Begin RBLT & RENO from 78000-78499 by dropping first digit.
1925(8)      100  (398 with old numbers)
1925(10)      218  (280 with old numbers)
1926(4)      299  (199 with old numbers)
1928(3)      465  (10 with old numbers)
1929(8)      463  None with old numbers.
1930(6)      463
1930              40 RBLT to stock cars and RENO into 90500-90539.
        [2814, 8]. These again RBLT to box cars in 1936
        and RENO into 70000-70039.
1931(5)      423
1932(5)      426
1932-
1934              Begin RBLT with Duryea cushion underframe, new steel
        body frame, Hutchins Dry Lading roof, Ajax hand
        brake, AB brakes, and renewed wood lining and
        sheathing (essentially new cars except for ends) and
        RENO back to 78000-78499. Work done at Sayre, PA.
1937(7)         ...  Not listed in ORER. Another type car occupies part of
        this number series.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:46 AM, eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

This box car seems to have a deep side sill, or possibly a fish belly side sill. Look closely below the door.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

arved_grass
 

Not quite one peice. See previous post.

I need a lot of these cars for a "Coast Mail." They certainly are a lot easier to get than the old Ken Kidder cars, more accurate, but I think the rivet detail is a bit course (not as bad as MDC, but not as good as Archer Transfers).

A lot of "die-hard" modelers are still afraid of resin kits. My experience with the SC&F Harrimans has done little to encourage me. I've also noted that some accomplished modelers have their resin kits assembled professionally, which seems to further tarnish the reputation of how easy resin kits are to assemble. When I contacted SC&F with questions about fitting the doors, I was refered to Mike Brock, here, and a professional model builder.

I've got a couple F&C kits and a WrightTrak C-40-1 caboose kit waiting in my stash, but I'm not going to try those until I can get some experience with the SC&F kits.
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 1:41 PM


 













yep. I recall how amazed I was when Southern Car &
Foundry came out
with

his magnificent Harriman cars, and then learning how few
were sold
(even

though they were fantastically perfect 1-piece bodies) even
to
supposedly

die-hard SP modelers.


I guess we're all 1 percenters! :-)







Clark
has nailed this one.

Take a look at Ebay. There are almost 1/2 million items
listed in the
model train section, of all scales and interests. How many
resin kits are
listed?

I've always maintained that we the self described
prototype modelers are
a tiny percentage of the masses who fiddle with model
trains.

You want more stuff? Get more people to buy it.


Pierre Oliver












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Re: [EXTERNAL] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Caveats: NONE

Todd;

That is a beauty. I admired this photo when we were going through John Dziobko's slides for the PRRT&HS' photo books. John's photos are exceptionally "color true" for the timeframe he was taking pics, and of great use when trying to color match.

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 12:19 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar



Not sure if this has been posted before.

http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2472

Todd Horton

Southeast Machine Tool Sales

3123 Maple Rd.

Lindale Ga 30147

678-264-7448 CELL

706-232-7563 FAX

thorton@southeastmachine.co

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Nice photo of NKP 40' boxcar

Todd Horton
 

Not sure if this has been posted before.



http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=2472



Todd Horton

Southeast Machine Tool Sales

3123 Maple Rd.

Lindale Ga 30147

678-264-7448 CELL

706-232-7563 FAX

thorton@southeastmachine.co



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Machinery



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Re: Lights out at the "Pub"

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Chuck and list members,

Isn't that what tablet computers are for? Seriously, the only case I have found anymore where paper copies are useful at the workbench is for drawings that have been reduced to scale size - that way you can hold the model next to the drawing to assess your model.

Otherwise, a tablet or even smartphone is superior IMHO - takes less room, is more versatile.

Claus Schlund



-------- Original message --------
From: "RUTLANDRS@... [STMFC]"
Date:08/25/2014 11:05 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"

    It's also a lot easier to have that paper copy at the workbench while building that steam era freight car.
Chuck Hladik
 
In a message dated 8/25/2014 10:21:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

It's hard to believe but I think it has been a decade and a half since I
read the first rant from a magazine editor warning of the evils of "the
internet". IRRC that was the first magazine to pull the plug.

I wrote a rebuttal back then... it's all old news but it was clear to me
that even 15 years ago, the printed magazines were scrambling to hold on to
their relevancy, and apparently that included discrediting other sources of
information.

Which is pretty fascinating - as recently as 2014, a major manufacturer put
out a product based on mediocre drawings published more than 35 years ago -
the third manufacturer to do so - when this particular item is so well
documented you could probably find out the wire gauge and tension force of
the toilet paper holder retainer spring.

I think before the mid 1990s, the hobby press enjoyed an elite
status. Once published, it had to be true. Corrections never received the
hype of the original cover story, nor would anyone have paid attention even
if they did. Once the barn doors were open, and the e-waves filled up with
the unwashed masses rubbing elbows with the same elitists that wrote the
articles, came the realization that everyone is human, and anyone can make
mistakes. And that the best way to get at the truth is to sift through it
all, and never limit your fact finding to a single anointed source.

I've enjoyed all the magazines over the years. I grew up with them, and
often late at night my dreams were fueled by articles published before I
was born, from my dad's stack of musty old issues of MR, RMC and Model
Trains (remember them?). But in terms of prototype modeling there's no
putting the genie back in the bottle and I wouldn't even if I could. I
really don't know where paper press is headed, and it's not my problem to
solve. Personally, I prefer paper. While I like the concept of MRH and
acknowledge its growth guess what... I don't read it! In fact, I rarely
read anything on line that is more than a page. I don't own a kindle or
anything like it either. I still was buying hobby magazines right up until
their last day.

Andy


Re: Milwaukee Ribsides

arved_grass
 

I couldn't find Microscale Decals suitable for these cars (at least, for the time frame I want to model them - 1953). I was fortunate enough to find 2 kits at M.B. Klein recently. I paniced about the decals until I opened the box, and found they were included (hip hip hurray!). The kits aren't mentioned on the Ribside Cars website. I suspect they are discontinued (boo hiss!). To top it off, I thought the kits were very reasonably priced. I bought 2 of the three kits M.B. Klein had in stock at the time. That should fill out the need for my roster.

Tru-Color offers a MILW specific BCR, so I should be set. I need to add Sergent couplers with the Accu-Rail scale coupler box, and IIRC, the kits include sprung trucks which will have to go (plus code 88 wheelsets). One will get a Plano etched metal walkway. Other than that, I'm pretty clueless on what other work will be required.

As I mentioned before, I'd be thrilled to know what Ted found objectionable about the cars, at least so I can make an educated guess on where to begin to making a more accurate car. I'm more a builder than a collector, so, like you, I'm not as interested in the RTR versions of these cars. I'm also much more comfortable working in styrene than I am resin. I've been struggling with a SC&F baggage car kit off and on for nearly two years. I just can't seem to get how the doors are supposed to fit. I think I need to ask over on the Passenger Car List.

Good luck finding the kits!
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Milwaukee Ribsides
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 12:25 PM


 













May modeling has taken a left turn this year and now in
the need of a half
dozen ribside box cars. Worst yet I sold two of three I had
this spring to a guy
who wanted them more than I needed to keep them = $.
 
I’m not up on models of these, but I believe
Intermountain, Exactrail and
Rideside Cars offer them. One I sold was built from an undec
IM kit using Jerry
Glow decals. Fun trying to duplicate that guy again.
Exactrail and IM decorated
cars are RTR, which I’d like to avoid. Looks like I’m
down to decorated Ribside
Cars kits.
I know George makes lots of versions. Are any more
actuate than others? I
think there’s some dimensional issues with some. How far
off are they? I’m
talking 40’, 6’ door cars.
Guess I need to check out MicroScale decals to see if
they make a set for
cars up to,  slightly passed this list’s cutoff date of
1961.
 
Any suggestions?
Clark

Propst
Mason City Iowa










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Re: Dalman 1 level trucks

peteraue
 

Thank you Tim. I was looking for the 50 ton trucks for my Westerfield Bx-12 and Bx-13 kits.
Peter Aue


Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Benjamin Hom
 

Arved Grass wrote:
"RP Cyc Volume 1 is available for $20.95, either directly from the publisher, or from dealers. I just got Volume 1 a couple weeks ago, and have fallen in love with the format. I can hardly wait to fill my library with these. And that's exactly what I paid - $20.95 plus postage. $100 may be the asking price, and "a fool and his money are soon parted," but I tend to doubt anyone looking for Volume 1 couldn't find it at a much more reasonable price than $100!"
 
Volume 1 had a huge printing compared to the other issues.  Ed and Pat were giving away copies to attendees at the first St. Louis Prototype Modelers meet!
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary Laakso wrote:
"As noted before, the door opens to the left, unlike the USRA double sheathed boxcar.  Could it be a Leigh Valley boxcar?"
 
Not if the car number is 8405, which doesn't match any of the LV muber series for these cars.
http://www.anthraciterailroads.org/lvrrmodeler/boxcars.htm
 
As Ed Bommer pointed out, LV wasn't the only road with left-opening general service boxcars.  For example, the practice persisted on the Pennsy from the 19th century through Class X25, including 35,000+ Class XL boxcars. This is another instance of modeler's lexicon (in this case, Central Hobby Supply's "Wrong-Way Boxcar" description marketing the Funaro kits) obscuring the truth.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

Eric Hansmann
 

This box car seems to have a deep side sill, or possibly a fish belly side sill. Look closely below the door.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

arved_grass
 

I would be hard pressed to pay that much for a RP Cyc, but since they are OOP, it's a seller's market. May I ask where you found them?

RP Cyc volume 1 is available for $20.95, either directly from the publisher, or from dealers. I just got Volume 1 a couple weeks ago, and have fallen in love with the format. I can hardly wait to fill my library with these. And that's exactly what I paid - $20.95 plus postage. $100 may be the asking price, and "a fool and his money are soon parted," but I tend to doubt anyone looking for Volume 1 couldn't find it at a much more reasonable price than $100!

OTOH, RMC back issues (to collect the EFC series) are much more expensive usually. Refer to Railpub.com for more realistic pricing. If I could get the EFC series at 50 cents an issue, I'd gladly fork over the dough (even if it meant having to buy issues I already own).
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, golden1014@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 11:22 AM


 









Hi Richard,,I'm risking
moderator jail here--been there before and it's not fun,
but I'm sure Tim O will be there sooner or later to keep
me company.  
I like
being called a vocal minority--it's the first time
I've ever been called vocal.  On the other hand
I've been getting a lot of death threats about my post
so I'll take being vocal and run with it!  And I'm
just kidding for all you lawyers out there.
Nevertheless I stand by my comments.
 If EFC is so valuable, then where is the much-sought after
book?  The book would surely make Ted wealthy and help keep
RMC in business, and foster new models.  Instead, RMC is
gone and there's still no book deal.  Conversely, look
at RP Cyc.  I saw an ad last night where RP Cycs 4, 5, 6,
7, and 8 are up to $75 ea.  RP Cyc #1 goes for $100.  What
does an RMC with EFC go for?  Fifty cents?  So where is
your hobby dollar best spent?  I can spent $100 max on my
hobby every month and that's it.  I'm going for RP
Cyc.  I can't afford to buy a $90 Sunshine kit on
EBay.
The word
ephemeral means that an object loses value over time.  Read
carefully: I didn't say that EFC was valueless--I think
I said it was outstanding or something to that effect,
because it is.  But I still think you would be disappointed
with the book, because you probably already have all the
articles, or you probably have most of the histocial
information in your library, or you don't want to spend
$90 a pop to get the model of EBay.  Personally speaking I
can't afford to spend that $100 on something I already
have.
Do we still
follow Mont's excellent articles on kitbashing a Monon
1958 covered hopper using the MDC model as found in MM
1980-something?  Nope, because the MDC model was supplanted
by the Kato model, and then the Bowser model, and then the
Intermountain model.  If any article is valuable to you I
will not argue, but as your friend and fellow modeler I
think you would find that the book would be not as essential
as you thought, because you already have the information in
hand elsewhere (as I stated initially).  
In the meantime, this vocal minority
is wasting his time cobbling together the one-of-a-kind
Sunshine IC two-pocket hopper, RP Cyc in hand.  Not a bad
build but slow.  I hope to have it done for Naperville,
just in time for the all-new HO scale model to be announced
(no kidding).  
Hey,
where's Tim?
John
GoldenO'Fallon, IL











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