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Re: Printing white decals (Was Jerry Glow)

Scott H. Haycock
 

Dennis,

Apparently this German company does work for modelers. I found out about it from the following post on the ACL-SAL-SCL Modelers list. Zsolt is building an N scale loco using this method to print the detail on the sides of an otherwise 3D printed body:


Hello,


The topic of kitbashing/scratch building a SAL babyface came up a while ago. Back then, I mentioned plans of an N scale scratch-build that could be reproduced in urethane. Now, things are coming a bit closer, as the masters of the NYC freight babyface are nearing completion:


This particular project is also the test bed for UV-printed side wall details, and it seems to work out just fine, with lots of tedious work left to the printer (and that, in turn, saves lots of precious time). I hope to be able to finish the freight babyface this year, and the SAL DR6-4-1500 will come next year, along with the same in NYC. I'll keep the group posted of all progress...

Regards,
Zsolt

This technology sounds promising on at least 2 hobby fronts.



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

This sounds the same as the Roland printer, which also uses UV curable ink. As far as I know, Jerry Glow was not using an ALPS, but rather a service that had either a Roland machine or similar. I say that because I put him in touch with someone to resolve a color match, and while doing so saw a sheet that had been printed with closely related color swatches, like a paint chart or Pantone book. If you'll recall, the ALPS really couldn't do "process color", it came out looking like polka-dots, and Jerry was working with someone who could offer custom mixed "spot color", so it wasn't an ALPS. That also meant that Jerry wasn't doing the printing in-house, and had to rely on a service... I'm well aware how these deals can go south with time.


It would be nice if someone in the US would offer a service similar to Shapeways for 2-D printing on decals; I priced Roland's smallest machine, but I don't think there is the work out there to support the investment. Hopefully someone will prove me wrong one of these days.



Need some help from 1954 ORER on a couple of Sunshine kits

Charlie Duckworth
 

I recently bought two Sunshine kits at the Collinville RPM but I'd like to see how many of these cars were around in 1954.

One is kit 17.10 for. P.E. B-50-13 (which I know were renumbered into SP 88185-88309 in 1951 I have decals to paint into an SP car). The other is kit 65.3 a Frisco 145550 SS wood boxcar with a Samson roof. I only have a 1940 and 1956 ORER. The 1956 ORER has only one remaining SP car showing in this series and all the Frisco cars show to be all steel which I'm guessing the wood sheathing was replaced with steel.

Thanks for any help,
Charlie Duckworth


Re: Printing white decals (Was Jerry Glow)

destorzek@...
 

This sounds the same as the Roland printer, which also uses UV curable ink. As far as I know, Jerry Glow was not using an ALPS, but rather a service that had either a Roland machine or similar. I say that because I put him in touch with someone to resolve a color match, and while doing so saw a sheet that had been printed with closely related color swatches, like a paint chart or Pantone book. If you'll recall, the ALPS really couldn't do "process color", it came out looking like polka-dots, and Jerry was working with someone who could offer custom mixed "spot color", so it wasn't an ALPS. That also meant that Jerry wasn't doing the printing in-house, and had to rely on a service... I'm well aware how these deals can go south with time.

It would be nice if someone in the US would offer a service similar to Shapeways for 2-D printing on decals; I priced Roland's smallest machine, but I don't think there is the work out there to support the investment. Hopefully someone will prove me wrong one of these days.

Dennis Storzek


Marty's Steam Era Freight Car Modeling Blog

Bill Welch
 

I want to thank Marty for creating his Freight Car Blog and allowing me to house my presentation "North from Florida: Moving Perishables to Market on the FGE/WFE/BRE System." Here is a link to Marty's Blog: http://steamerafreightcars.blogspot.ca/
This is a presentation I have done at Lisle and Cocoa Beach and a couple of other venues. Because it will now be read rather than narrated at some point soon I want to add a couple of slides to expand a couple of subjects in the presentation if it is okay with Marty. I particularly appreciate Marty agreeing to my wishes to keep it together rather than breaking it up. Please let him know what you think about having this sort of thing accessible in this way. If this method of sharing proves useful, I plan to post the presentation I created about Freight Car Pattern Making.

Regarding the photos of Produce Trains, if anyone knows where I can obtain photographic prints or digital copies of the Southern, L&N, and ACL photos, please let me know. Those images in the presentation are halftones. Also I need to correct the caption for the ACL photo as it is actually a southbound train with empties. I would like to find more photos of ACL reefer blocks and PRR and B&O reefer blocks that carried the reefer blocks north from Potomac Yard. I have never seen any.

I hope you will please think about how to thank, support, and contribute content to this Blog.

Bill Welch


Westerfield kits

mrprksr <mrprksr@...>
 

Just was checking Dans Train Depot web site and he has a large bunch of Westerfield and LaBelle kits up for sale.....Larry Mennie


IM 8000 gal tank car

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Can anyone tell me whether or not the coupler box covers on these RTR cars are pressed on, or glued?  I am attempting to change the couplers, and am very wary of collateral damage as I attempt to wrest these covers off. 

 If they are glued, shame on Intermountain.  If not, I will have at it.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento, CA 








Printing white decals (Was Jerry Glow)

Scott H. Haycock
 

Here is a link to a new (to me) process that may solve this issue;UV printing. Here's a link to a german company doing this sort of work. This process can also be used to do a kind of 3D printing, You'll need a translation program.

Decalservice: Info UV-Decals

Scott Haycock


Re: Lights out at the "Pub"

Scott H. Haycock
 


 

Andy wrote:

I end up using both. After several lesser experiments, I put a full size
desktop computer with a large monitor on my train shop bench. I use it a
lot, but - you can't lay styrene on your computer screen and cut it to
length either. So I still use paper a lot.




I also have a monitor and keyboard on my workbench. Another tool I use is a dedicated photo printer. I can print large photos of hi res images from the internet to aid in detailing and painting my freight cars and locomotives. I also use CadRail, which allows me to trace over photographs to create plans for those details I must scratch build.


Scott Haycock _,_.___



Re: Tank cars for wine

Tony Thompson
 

BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

 
Precision Scale also did 6 dome wine tank cars; I have one each of the
Madera and Martini Winery cars, SHPX 6611 and 6614 respectively.

   Brian is exactly right. Where I said "Overland" brass wine tank cars, I should have said "Precision Scale," and I have now corrected the blog.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Code & CAD [was: The final word on ...]

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 12:29 PM 8/25/2014, Arved Grass [STMFC] wrote:
Well, if you're more comfortable writting code than learning 3D CAD <snip>
Writing Code...? 3D CAD...??? Have fun - do BOTH:
OpenSCAD... http://www.openscad.org

It did take my UltraBook about 30 minutes to generate a STL file....

"We 'don need no stink'n GUI..."


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories

 

The LV cars were rebuilt double door cars, leaving the left door in place.  They had recessed straight side sills.  The car appears to be fishbelly.  This is most likely a B&O M12.  Pennsy took over B&O circa 1904 and for about a decade thereafter box cars followed Pennsy practice, opening to the left.   I offered an M-12 model.  Check the web site to see if it is currently offered. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Unusual Load - Old Telephone Directories
 
 

Gary Laakso wrote:
"As noted before, the door opens to the left, unlike the USRA double sheathed boxcar.  Could it be a Leigh Valley boxcar?"
 
Not if the car number is 8405, which doesn't match any of the LV muber series for these cars.
http://www.anthraciterailroads.org/lvrrmodeler/boxcars.htm
 
As Ed Bommer pointed out, LV wasn't the only road with left-opening general service boxcars.  For example, the practice persisted on the Pennsy from the 19th century through Class X25, including 35,000+ Class XL boxcars. This is another instance of modeler's lexicon (in this case, Central Hobby Supply's "Wrong-Way Boxcar" description marketing the Funaro kits) obscuring the truth.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?

arved_grass
 

Well, if you're more comfortable writting code than learning 3D CAD, I'm sure you'll be able to find a printer that understands G-code!

:-)

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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 8/25/14, Andy Harman gsgondola@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 1:42 PM


 









At 05:06 PM 8/24/2014 -0400, you wrote:

>How IRONIC that 3D printing advancements are making
virtually any

>freight car you want available while lettering is fast
becoming a

>very scarce commodity!



Yep. I was at the local computer superstore a couple weeks
ago, and they

had a bunch of 3d printers for sale, from $500 on up to
$3500. None of

them anywhere near fine enough for HO scale modeling, but
it's just a

matter of time. I am going to have to learn a 3D cad
program like it or

not. As a programmer I am one of the world's worst
software users.... I

can't do more than three clicks without screaming
insults at the programmer

who wrote a thing. But if it means at some point I can
shoot out my own

one-off detail parts, I will just have to force myself and
maybe start

stashing chill pills.



>promise to create medicines that work with only ONE
person (based on your own

>DNA) but will be safe, completely effective and
presently can be

>manufactured for

>less than $1,000 for a life saving treatment. The virus
structures are 3-D

>printed

>and can't even be seen without an extremely powerful
microscope!



I have a 12 year old nephew who is blind in one eye, almost
blind in the

other eye, due to a genetic degenerative disease. I forget
what it's

called. I've predicted that within my lifetime, Grayson
will be able to

see better than me, and it will be affordable. Just print
him up some new

retinas, schedule the installation and off we go.



Andy













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Re: Tank cars for wine

 

Precision Scale also did 6 dome wine tank cars; I have one each of the
Madera and Martini Winery cars, SHPX 6611 and 6614 respectively.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>, Espee List <Espee@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Tank cars for wine







I've just posted a new write-up on my blog about prototype and model
wine tank cars, including a link to a sale price on some Ready-to-Run model
wine cars. If you're interested, you can read it at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/08/wine-tank-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history









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Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling

Tony Thompson
 

Elden Gatwood wrote:

Another thing that played into what things look like now for PRR fans (a Society magazine in print containing no modeling, and one digital e-zine that interfaces historical with modeling) was discussions I had with Hundman and other publishers who had a very fixed paradigm: the fewer pages on one subject, the better. This included tiny little b&W images that showed almost nothing. One experience with THAT was as much as I needed. If you can't see the subject, how can you maximize your information passing to readers? Words are fine, but a BIG picture IS worth a thousand words.


     Elden is exactly right about photos. That was Richard Hendrickson's gripe with Bob Schleicher's magazines, both Model Railroading (when Bob edited it) and Rail Model Journal -- the photo reproduction, which was WAY too small. But that was how the magazines were done. Otherwise RIchard enjoyed writing for them.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

Another thing that played into what things look like now for PRR fans (a Society magazine in print containing no modeling, and one digital e-zine that interfaces historical with modeling) was discussions I had with Hundman and other publishers who had a very fixed paradigm: the fewer pages on one subject, the better. This included tiny little b&W images that showed almost nothing. One experience with THAT was as much as I needed. If you can't see the subject, how can you maximize your information passing to readers? Words are fine, but a BIG picture IS worth a thousand words.

And it turns out, there was an audience for updated subjects; example: first, Sunshine Uni-body kit for PRR X29B, then, kit-bash of newly-available Branchline 40-foot box car to PRR X29B, and finally F&C X29B. Choose your subject!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 2:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling (UNCLASSIFIED)



At 05:55 PM 8/25/2014 +0000, you wrote:
the ability to revise ANY document whenever we wanted
I don't think you could overstate the hugeness of this one point. Our
closets and library shelves are filled with errors that will never be
corrected. If your resource is dynamic and on line, once it's corrected
the next guy who looks at it is going to get the corrected version.

As opposed to manufacturers who STILL are making the same mistake copying a
52 year old piece of EMD sales literature.

Andy





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?

 

The ALPS¹s ability to print white was just one positive aspect; the ability
to print real metallic gold and silver were others.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?







IIRC, at least on of them printed decals on ALPS printers. Lack of drivers
for current OSs and the discontinuance of supplies by ALPS may have figured
into the business plan of these companies. ALPS announced withdrawl of their
last model (MD-5000) on 31. May 2010 (that is, the announcement was earlier,
but the printer was withdrawn from the market on that date). Supplies will
be withdrawn on 31. May 2015 - less than a year from now.

When your livelihood depends on obsolete equipment and deminishing supplies
of raw materials, there's little hope for continued prosperity.

We are about 10 years overdue for a replacement of those old ALPS printers,
and there is little interest in white inkjet ink. However, there is hope:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45423-white-inkjet-print
ing-on-clear-decal/

However, the project seem to have mired in patent issues as of 2013. This
was specific to certain Epson printers (an Epson SX-115 was the test mule).
I'm certain this was because some printers use dyes rather than pigment in
their ink, and I'm not sure what the SX-115 uses. There are frequent
questions about the usee on Canon printers, but the answer has been (a) no,
it's for specific Epson printers only, and (b) the original poster is not at
liberty to discuss details about the white ink. If you search that forum,
you'll learn all I know about it. I can't find anything anywhere else on the
possibility of inkjet or laserprinting white on clear decal film.

Like 3D printing, the issue is far greater than just us STMFC modelers, but
time is running out for those printing on ALPS printers.

Respectfully,
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 4:03 PM












Yep and equally distressing
on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of
Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of
decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he
does the M&StL decals for KJ¹s Trains. Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org










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Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?

 

At one time there was discussion on using white toner in OKI laser color
printers.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?







IIRC, at least on of them printed decals on ALPS printers. Lack of drivers
for current OSs and the discontinuance of supplies by ALPS may have figured
into the business plan of these companies. ALPS announced withdrawl of their
last model (MD-5000) on 31. May 2010 (that is, the announcement was earlier,
but the printer was withdrawn from the market on that date). Supplies will
be withdrawn on 31. May 2015 - less than a year from now.

When your livelihood depends on obsolete equipment and deminishing supplies
of raw materials, there's little hope for continued prosperity.

We are about 10 years overdue for a replacement of those old ALPS printers,
and there is little interest in white inkjet ink. However, there is hope:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45423-white-inkjet-print
ing-on-clear-decal/

However, the project seem to have mired in patent issues as of 2013. This
was specific to certain Epson printers (an Epson SX-115 was the test mule).
I'm certain this was because some printers use dyes rather than pigment in
their ink, and I'm not sure what the SX-115 uses. There are frequent
questions about the usee on Canon printers, but the answer has been (a) no,
it's for specific Epson printers only, and (b) the original poster is not at
liberty to discuss details about the white ink. If you search that forum,
you'll learn all I know about it. I can't find anything anywhere else on the
possibility of inkjet or laserprinting white on clear decal film.

Like 3D printing, the issue is far greater than just us STMFC modelers, but
time is running out for those printing on ALPS printers.

Respectfully,
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 4:03 PM












Yep and equally distressing
on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of
Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of
decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he
does the M&StL decals for KJ¹s Trains. Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org










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Tank cars for wine

Tony Thompson
 

I've just posted a new write-up on my blog about prototype and model wine tank cars, including a link to a sale price on some Ready-to-Run model wine cars. If you're interested, you can read it at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/08/wine-tank-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: The Ephemeral Nature of Modeling (UNCLASSIFIED)

Andy Harman
 

At 05:55 PM 8/25/2014 +0000, you wrote:
the ability to revise ANY document whenever we wanted
I don't think you could overstate the hugeness of this one point. Our closets and library shelves are filled with errors that will never be corrected. If your resource is dynamic and on line, once it's corrected the next guy who looks at it is going to get the corrected version.

As opposed to manufacturers who STILL are making the same mistake copying a 52 year old piece of EMD sales literature.

Andy


Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?

arved_grass
 

IIRC, at least on of them printed decals on ALPS printers. Lack of drivers for current OSs and the discontinuance of supplies by ALPS may have figured into the business plan of these companies. ALPS announced withdrawl of their last model (MD-5000) on 31. May 2010 (that is, the announcement was earlier, but the printer was withdrawn from the market on that date). Supplies will be withdrawn on 31. May 2015 - less than a year from now.

When your livelihood depends on obsolete equipment and deminishing supplies of raw materials, there's little hope for continued prosperity.

We are about 10 years overdue for a replacement of those old ALPS printers, and there is little interest in white inkjet ink. However, there is hope:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45423-white-inkjet-printing-on-clear-decal/

However, the project seem to have mired in patent issues as of 2013. This was specific to certain Epson printers (an Epson SX-115 was the test mule). I'm certain this was because some printers use dyes rather than pigment in their ink, and I'm not sure what the SX-115 uses. There are frequent questions about the usee on Canon printers, but the answer has been (a) no, it's for specific Epson printers only, and (b) the original poster is not at liberty to discuss details about the white ink. If you search that forum, you'll learn all I know about it. I can't find anything anywhere else on the possibility of inkjet or laserprinting white on clear decal film.

Like 3D printing, the issue is far greater than just us STMFC modelers, but time is running out for those printing on ALPS printers.

Respectfully,
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 4:03 PM


 









Yep and equally distressing
on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of
Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of
decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he
does the M&StL decals for KJ’s Trains.  Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org
 









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