Date   

Was: New lumber load kit from Owl Mountain

np328
 

      In an earlier posting I mentioned that I had seen listings of several pages of car numbers on different railroads dealing with open top lumber loads on the NP and I would try to post these.

      I have added a new file with these pages and a bit more dealing with routing info, history and this new file can be found under the name: Open Top Lumber Carload adjustments to car loads - NP Railway.

     The file is open and if anyone wants to add accurately available cars that match numbers of any of the cars listed, please feel free to add this to the folder.

Jim Dick - St. Paul


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,


This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.


File : /Open Top Lumber Carload adjustments to car loads - NP Railway/Lumber Car Adjustments000.jpg
Uploaded by : np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@onebox.com>
Description :


You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Open%20Top%20Lumber%20Carload%20adjustments%20to%20car%20loads%20-%20NP%20Railway/Lumber%20Car%20Adjustments000.jpg


To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


Regards,


np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@onebox.com>


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,


This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.


File : /Lumber Car Adjustments016.jpg
Uploaded by : np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@onebox.com>
Description :


You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Lumber%20Car%20Adjustments016.jpg


To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


Regards,


np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@onebox.com>


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Tony Thompson
 

        I strongly suspect the Red Caboose model was cobbled up out of the 40-ft. single-door car. It is pretty close to the SP Class A-50-13 except it should have 7-ft. doors. Probably many prototypes are like this, close but no cigar (as Richard would have said).

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Bill Welch
 

So Fenton, the Red Caboose 40-ft model not is not correct given the roof and side sill configuration (not tabbed). Also the doors are staggered to the left while on the RC model they are staggered to the right, although more technical language is probably needed to describe the difference.

Bill Welch


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

jrmonrad@...
 

The correct NP series range is 38168-38667.

John Monrad


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

O Fenton Wells
 

Bill, I forgot to mention that the Sunshine kit is of the 1935 PSC car and the Mt. Vernon car has not been done...yet.


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:53 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Fenton, I thought the Southern's 40-ft DD steel cars had Hutchins roofs w/an underframe very different than those used in the 1937 design. Sunshine's kit# 55.5 modeled the 272000 series.


Bill Welch




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes the early cars, 1935 Pressed Steel Car Co. (272000-272499) had the Hutchins roof but the 1937 Mt. Vernon cars (272500-272999) had the Hutchins Improved Dry Lading roof (flat panel roof) The later cars had a different side sill and 25 of them received end doors (272500-272524)in Feb of 1941.  The underframes may be different as well but that is something I don't model to any specific form, as long as what you can see from the layout looks close to the drawing I'm good.  I leave those details to the good modelers like yourself.
fenton


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:53 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Fenton, I thought the Southern's 40-ft DD steel cars had Hutchins roofs w/an underframe very different than those used in the 1937 design. Sunshine's kit# 55.5 modeled the 272000 series.


Bill Welch




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Tim O'Connor
 

assigned NP series 38168-38167
> John Monrad

That may be the smallest number series I've ever encountered. :-)

Some of the rebuilt NP cars were ex-Erie with Buckeye ends.

Tim O'


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

jrmonrad@...
 

The Red Caboose NP cars represent ex-EL 51400-51999 boxcars leased from A.A. Morrison in 1962, rebuilt with double staggered doors, and assigned NP series 38168-38167. See diagram at <research.nprha.org/NP%20Box%20Cars/Forms/DispForm.aspx?ID=42&ContentTypeId=>

John Monrad


Re: Need PS-2 data

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

Let me clarify my question, I need dimensional data decal sheets circa 1955 for the PS-2 2-bay covered hoppers......
 
Mark L. Drake
eBay ID member1108


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Scott H. Haycock
 

SAL 22000-22199 were Class AF2 which had the round roofs. SAL 22200-22499, Class AF3, are the cars represented by the Red Caboose model. 

Scott Haycock


 


> SAL 22000-22449 ( two groups)

That's it Mike. That's all there ever was. And before you ask, the S-corner
version also had only one owner -- Soo Line.

If you have it, they're covered in Railmodel Journal, January 1998 pp.28-31,
Richard Hendrickson article.

Tim O'



Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Bill Welch
 

Fenton, I thought the Southern's 40-ft DD steel cars had Hutchins roofs w/an underframe very different than those used in the 1937 design. Sunshine's kit# 55.5 modeled the 272000 series.

Bill Welch


Re: Need PS-2 data

Rick Jesionowski
 

A lot of these cars went off the home roads, in my area alone the Ann Arbor had a raft of these cars, half were in service to the Dundee Cement Plant in Dundee Michigan and the rest furnished sand from Yuma, MI to the Ford Engine Casting Plants in Lima and Cleveland, Ohio.

The Detroit and Toledo Shoreline cars were also in sand service to the same locations from their sand pit in Rockland, MI.

The Wabash served a sand pit in Wolcottville, IN and shipped the sand to various concrete plants in Northwestern, Ohio as their sand was approved by ODOT for use in concrete on Highway Projects.

The NKP serviced the Diamond Shamrock plant and send Soda Ash and other Soda products all over the country using the smaller cars and as car size increased they substituted the newer cars as Soda Ash was a lighter product.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

O Fenton Wells
 

Mike the Southern cars were 10'-4" IH, other than that they are spot on.

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Tim O'Connor
 

SAL 22000-22449 ( two groups)
That's it Mike. That's all there ever was. And before you ask, the S-corner
version also had only one owner -- Soo Line.

If you have it, they're covered in Railmodel Journal, January 1998 pp.28-31,
Richard Hendrickson article.

Tim O'


RED CABOOSE 40' AAR (1937) DOUBLE STAGGERED DOORS 'BOXCAR' RC-8500

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

Perhaps this question has been asked and answered but please allow me to pursue, "What are the proper prototypes for this 4/5 Dreadnaught end car?"  It seems likely that it is essentially the 1937 (10 foot IH) car with a nominal 12'-2" door opening, "W" corner posts.  A quick look at some of the ready references presents----
        
        SAL 22000-22449 ( two groups)
        SOU 272000-272999

There are other possibilities with 5/5 ends, sq. corner ends, other roofs, etcetera.  Perhaps any option requires a review and change of the underframe-side features.  RC offered LV and NP (and other) painted versions but these two seem not grounded in ORER reality (1946, 1958).  So....what are the good prototypes?

Grateful regards----Mike
        


Re: Speedwitch Relaunch

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Same here.  Great to see Ted Culotta back in business again, and looking forward to more of his wonderful contributions.

Cheers!


Re: Speedwitch's "Freight Cars in Context" Mystery

Bill Welch
 

No the mystery is the singular location of the photos in the book

Bill Welch


Re: Need PS-2 data

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Mark,

Clark is right on this. Most of the railroad-owned cars were in cement service (PS-2s, AC&Fs and clones) , and couldn't be used for anything else without a major overhaul and cleaning. That was what they were originally designed for. Cement being a plentiful commodity throughout most of the country, they usually didn't stray off their home roads much.

There were exceptions though. I remember seeing and shooting a lot of C&O and related cars when I first came to Virginia that carried sand out of Dilwyn. AFAIK, all of the WP's small fleet of PS-2s were in dedicated limestone service from mines west of Salt Lake City to the U.S. Steel plant at Geneva. It wasn't until the 1970s that some appeared regularly in California in company sand service. Some Southern and even N&W cars carried titanium products out of Piney River, VA on the Virginia Blue Ridge. Any railroad-owned cars dedicated to special commodities would have been tightly controlled to keep them from being contaminated by loading with other products.

Many private owners were also single-commodity cars, especially those carrying bulk chemicals, running on regular routes to major factories of their owners or leasees (think of the Boraxo cars).

Very few of these hoppers carried grain-type products. The big exceptions was Central Soya (CSX reporting marks!) which wore billboard "McMillan-Feed-Mills" splashed across their sides. Another exception were the 7 NAHX cars leased to Quaker Oats. Once again, these cars probably ran on pretty specific routes. The role of general grain carriers really fell to the slightly later 47' PS-2s and their competitors.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 8/28/14 9:14 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
 

Many of these car were in cement service and would stay within a certain region, many hardly ever left home rails. To model these, find decals for the road you model. Cars carrying other ladings may have traveled farther for home. Like SE road’s Phosphate cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

56221 - 56240 of 183678