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Re: Roco M-47 tanks

water.kresse@...
 

I've great pix of pairs of Hell Cats on flats coming out of Buick City with a PM loco . . . . somewhere.  The are tarps over the turrets.
 
Al Kresse
. . . . in Michigan


Re: Roco M-47 tanks

Steve SANDIFER
 

Someone has a lot of 23 of them on ebay right now. I found others available
by googling Roco M47. They would look great in a steam freight car train.





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J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Roco M-47 tanks





I am building a train of flat cars that is moving a company of M-47 tanks.
I've got the flat cars (9 Roco/AHM flats with 6-wheel trucks, and two
others) and all the ancillary vehicles (a half-track, a 2 1/2 ton truck, a
tank recovery vehicle, and two jeeps), and 7 tanks. I need a total of 18
tanks (11 more) and I'm running up against a bit of a wall finding them.
Yes, some are available on eBay, but at $15 or more each this is getting
expensive. I'm hoping that some of us Steam Era Freight Car people were
military modelers in past lives and have some of the Roco M-47s squirreled
away somewhere and would be willing to part with them for a reasonable
price.



Anybody?



Anybody at all?



Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Roco M-47 tanks

Richard Townsend
 

I am building a train of flat cars that is moving a company of M-47 tanks.  I've got the flat cars (9 Roco/AHM flats with 6-wheel trucks, and two others) and all the ancillary vehicles (a half-track, a 2 1/2 ton truck, a tank recovery vehicle, and two jeeps), and 7 tanks.  I need a total of 18 tanks (11 more) and I'm running up against a bit of a wall finding them.  Yes, some are available on eBay, but at $15 or more each this is getting expensive.  I'm hoping that some of us Steam Era Freight Car people were military modelers in past lives and have some of the Roco M-47s squirreled away somewhere and would be willing to part with them for a reasonable price. 
 
Anybody? 
 
Anybody at all?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 


Re: acrylic weathering description

arved_grass
 

This has been a great series, Tony, and cleared up a lot of questions I had from your clinic. Sure beats Big Al Mayo's "Weather Dipping" tutorial!

http://youtu.be/QBOyvS1hBg8?list=UU6xOezaYqdayivNMLRC1CqQ

(Warning: No STMFC content. Not for the faint of heart. Do not try this at home. Posted only for entertainment value)
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 9/29/14, Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] acrylic weathering description
To: "Espee List" <Espee@yahoogroups.com>, "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 3:02 PM

I have recently added to my blog, a set of
descriptions of the method I use for weathering freight
cars. It is based on acrylic washes. There are five posts so
far, covering the basic method, and I will be adding a few
more posts about specific car types or weathering details.
Here are the links so far:



Part 1:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method.html

Part 2:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-2.html

Part 3:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-3.html

Part 4:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-4.html

Part 5:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-5.html



Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley,
CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
tony@signaturepress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history


acrylic weathering description

Tony Thompson
 

I have recently added to my blog, a set of descriptions of the method I use for weathering freight cars. It is based on acrylic washes. There are five posts so far, covering the basic method, and I will be adding a few more posts about specific car types or weathering details. Here are the links so far:

Part 1: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method.html
Part 2: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-2.html
Part 3: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-3.html
Part 4: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-4.html
Part 5: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-acrylic-weathering-method-part-5.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

arved_grass
 

Thanks, Tim.The weight information is available on other decal sets, though, no? I'll have to double check my library for correct information, and attempt to cross-check against available decals.

It's frustrating that with a decal catalog as broad and encompassing as Microscale's, and as popular as the Southern Pacific is, the intersection of the two frequently falls short.

I really need a way to print my own decals. There's no way my demands would meet Microscale's minimum print quantity. The ALPS MD series is an expensive technological dead end, and the OKI C711WT is out of my price range.

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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 9/29/14, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 12:36 PM

Arved,

The Microscale decals are NOT a replacement for Champ's excellent SHS-144.

The Microscale set was designed strictly as a way to decorate post-1962 sugar beet gondolas. It is missing a number of stencils present on GS gondolas lettered prior to 1962.....


Re: making bolted side trusses for a TT scale master

caboose9792@...
 

Ok it took longer to get back to the project than I expected...
 
print IC-H143 which should be available from IRM's Pullman library. The original is scaled 3/4" = 1'
oldest dates on print date from 1934 and newest from 1954. Ex. 175100-175299 series, 15875-15999.
 
In 1954 That class was al TC&I 1924 cars built in B'ham all were gone from the diagram books by 1964. With one block of 40 foot cars the hide service was all 50' cars.
 
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 9/26/2014 2:07:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
My lettering diagram prints for the sludge service cars show no external modifactions outside of the assinment marks. The digrams are avalable from thje irm pullman libary. Im at work eating lunch so i cant look it up or give an index number.

mark rickert
Sent with Verizon Mobile Email


Erie Boxcars 71xxx series

O Fenton Wells
 

We are a small group of kit bashers who want to do the West India Fruit Co Co 5xx series cars that were purchased from Erie.  Does any one have any idea of the side panel configuration.  The photos in the Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Car Reference Manual on page 66 don't help much.  However it looks like the WIF No. 512 has 3 panel per side.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Fenton Wells 


Re: GN Safety Film and truss rod boxcars

Robert Heninger
 

Dave,
      I wasn't able to catch the dates like you were, but I do note there are several GN boxcars with the "front facing" goat herald which was applied 1937-1940, that look too clean for 1947, leading me to believe this movie is a mishmash of eras. 

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND




Re: GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC (was truss rod box cars)

Bill Welch
 

The RF's were a part of the National Car Co. fleet where their 36-ft length made them ideal for shipping meat. They were extensively rebuilt and it is hard to see their heritage as a result. They initially went to FGE but their size was not what shippers preferred and thus when National was formed their more natural home was obvious.

Bill Welch


Re: HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Arved,

The Microscale decals are NOT a replacement for Champ's excellent SHS-144.
The Microscale set was designed strictly as a way to decorate post-1962 sugar beet
gondolas. It is missing a number of stencils present on GS gondolas lettered prior
to 1962.

A major tip off for ANY decals is the combined LD LMT + LT WT. These combinations
changed in 1962 as follows:

Journal pre-1962 post-1962
Size Capy GRL Capy GRL

5 1/2" x 10" 100 169 110 177 " 50 ton"
6" x 11" 140 210 154 220 " 70 ton"
6 1/2" x 12" 200 251 200 263 "100 ton"

In other words a "50 ton" car would have LD LMT + LT WT = 169000 prior to 1962,
and this would be 177000 after 1962 to the present time.

In fact some of the LD LMT + LT WT numbers in 87-1314 make no sense at all - They
do not conform to any of the above numbers nor do they match any photos I've seen.
I'm guessing they come from USGX gondolas (?). From a quick look at the set, I
think there is accurate data to letter two post-1962 SP-owned gondolas.

HOWEVER -- Microscale 87-1314 is a very good source for the large gothic roadname
"Southern Pacific" stencil that was applied to high-side GS gondolas. Remember the
SP used GS gondolas in woodchip, log, scrap, lumber, and pipe service as well as
sugar beets. And 1314 is a good source for 36" round emblems. So this set is very
useful to supplement Champ SHS-144, which otherwise required Champ HH-212 for the
billboard roadname stencils and HH-144 for extra 36" emblems. And 87-1314 has lots
of extra roadname and number stencils too for general SP use. Microscale lettering
is much BRIGHTER than Champ lettering, so be careful mixing Champ and uScale together.

The Champ set has data for from 2 to 5 gondolas depending on how strict you are
about the accuracy and style of items such as dimensional stencils, capacity stencils,
etc. And of course it applies to many different classes of GS gondola including the
larger steel 70 ton cars built in the 1950's. You can definitely model 2 completely
accurate 50 ton GS gondolas as they were delivered from the factory.

Tim O'Connor

You might want to look at Microscale set 87-1314:

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MD&Product_Code=87-1314&Product_Count=&Category_Code=

Although it's titled "SP 40' Composite Beet Rack Gondolas 1950+ and USGX 1970+," I believe the lettering is accurate for the logo, reporting marks, and car numbers. Other lettering (capacity, dimensions, reweigh, etc.) may have to come from elsewhere (especially if the dimensional data includes the side and end extensions), but this should at least give you the important lettering.

From Rob Sarberenyi via the ESPEE list:

"What's nice about set #1314 is that it replaces the old HO scale Champ Super Set SHS-144 for Espee GS-class gondolas. BTW, the Champ set has been unavailable for years. If you wanted to letter GS gondolas from Detail Associates or Red Caboose, or were lucky to have any of the old Ulrich metal GS gondola kits, and didn't have the Champ decal set, you were pretty much out-of-luck... until now! Besides, Microscale's decal film is 'significantly' thinner than Champ's, making the MS set most welcome."

I ordered the three GS gons Andy Carlson offered last week, and intend to use this set myself. If there's a grave error in this approach, I hope Tony Thompson, Tim O'Connor, or one of the other resident SP gurus chimes in.

Warmest regards,
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

arved_grass
 

Paul,

You might want to look at Microscale set 87-1314:

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MD&Product_Code=87-1314&Product_Count=&Category_Code=

Although it's titled "SP 40' Composite Beet Rack Gondolas 1950+ and USGX 1970+," I believe the lettering is accurate for the logo, reporting marks, and car numbers. Other lettering (capacity, dimensions, reweigh, etc.) may have to come from elsewhere (especially if the dimensional data includes the side and end extensions), but this should at least give you the important lettering.

From Rob Sarberenyi via the ESPEE list:

"What's nice about set #1314 is that it replaces the old HO scale Champ Super Set SHS-144 for Espee GS-class gondolas. BTW, the Champ set has been unavailable for years. If you wanted to letter GS gondolas from Detail Associates or Red Caboose, or were lucky to have any of the old Ulrich metal GS gondola kits, and didn't have the Champ decal set, you were pretty much out-of-luck... until now! Besides, Microscale's decal film is 'significantly' thinner than Champ's, making the MS set most welcome."

I ordered the three GS gons Andy Carlson offered last week, and intend to use this set myself. If there's a grave error in this approach, I hope Tony Thompson, Tim O'Connor, or one of the other resident SP gurus chimes in.

Warmest regards,
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 9/29/14, paul.doggett2472@yahoo.co.uk [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 8:34 AM
Hi
 Can anyone help I have
just opened a packet of Champ superset of SP GS gondola
decals and they are 0 scale ( have had them for years and
never checked them ) can any one help I need to decal 6 
ho scale GS gons. Many thanks Paul
Doggett England


Re: HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Cheers Ben I will give him a try

Paul 

          


Re: HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Paul Doggett asked:
"Can anyone help I have just opened a packet of Champ superset of SP GS gondola decals and they are O scale (have had them for years and never checked them) can any one help I need to decal 6 HO scale GS gons."

Try Mike Caum at Northern Central Supply.
northerncentralsupply@comcast.net
He might even take your O scale set off your hands.


Ben Hom


Re: GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC (was truss rod box cars)

Bruce Smith
 

(upside my own head)
Du-uh… of course they were.  For whatever reason, when the subject came up, I was recalling the discussion of the RF reefers, which did go out of service at around the start of WWII.  The RF is one we’ve struggled to find photos of post 1941, not the R7.  And that’s what jet lag will do to you

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith,
Now happily at home, and trying to get back on schedule!


On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:24 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Ex-PRR R7 reefers were in service with FGE into the early 1960's.

Bill Welch




Re: HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Sorry forget to say please contact off site to keep out of Jail

Paul Doggett


HELP Southern Pacific ho scale GS gondola Decals

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Hi


 Can anyone help I have just opened a packet of Champ superset of SP GS gondola decals and they are 0 scale ( have had them for years and never checked them ) can any one help I need to decal 6  ho scale GS gons.

 Many thanks Paul Doggett England


Kits surplus to requirements would like to swop/exchange

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Hi I have the following kits that are surplus to my requirements :-

Sunshine kit 5-5 Erie 52'6" Gon.

Sunshine Kit 48A PRR G27 Gon#

Sunshine Kit 12C PRR G29 Composite Gon #

#2 kits in one box not original box

2x Funaro & Camerlengo kit 30040 PRR H30A Covered Hopper steam era black decals

I would like to swop/exchange them for any of the following kits 

Sunshine B50-12A.

Red Caboose SP B50-18 or B50-19 not gothic lettering.

Red Caboose undec Square cornered 10ft ih boxcar .

Intermountain 52'6" SP Flat car not gothic lettering, lettering circa suitable for 1951/2 era required.

or any Sunshine SP Boxcars. I would like to deal if possible with one person to swop all 5 kits thank you. If you think you can help in any way please contact.

Please reply off topic. so as not to end up in jail !.

Paul Doggett England


Re: GN Safety Film and truss rod boxcars

devansprr
 

Bob,

There are quite a few freight cars with re-weigh dates of '41 and '42. And I think I spotted a few bearing repacks of the same vintage.

I was wondering if the safety film was originally triggered by a significant influx of "new railroaders" during WWII to meet the increased traffic, and loss of veteran employees to some of the military railway battalions formed early in the war, and younger employees to the draft. 48 railway battalions were formed - mostly drawn from the US railroads, which supported the concept and organized much of it. Each battalion ran over 800 men, for a total of over 40,000 US railroaders pulled out of their US jobs. The GN provided manpower for two battalions. The rapid influx of inexperienced employees was probably quite a challenge.

There is a book written by a new-to-the-railroads PRR fireman who started during WWII that relates several stories of new-guy accidents, some fatal, so I suspect the railroads may have suddenly found themselves with a significant safety problem. Perhaps this was GN's attempt to mitigate it.

The date on the GN Empire builder confirms parts of the movie are from different years. A later edit/insert to cover the new Empire Builder makes sense - I could see old hands not thinking about the dangers of the full width diaphragms, and now I wonder if that safety risk is one reason they appear to have been short lived.

I figured the open timber loads would catch some people's eyes based on an earlier thread on the subject.

And the scene at the end showing a train running a signal is definitely a model railroad (wonder who?) Interesting use of lighting to hide what would likely be an obviously false backdrop. Use a storm/evening look - a clever modeling approach by a professional movie production company. Hmm...

Dave Evans


---In STMFC@..., <gn2059@...> wrote :

The new streamlined Empire Builder pointed out in the film entered service in February of 1947, whereas the heavyweight train in the film, now the reinstated Oriental Limited, was still using steam locomotion. GN purchased 3 unit F3 sets to pull the Oriental Limited in late November/early December 1947, so some of the footage dates from 1947. I don't think the film was shot later than that, but some of it could certainly have been filmed earlier.

I am not surprised as to the number of truss rod cars in the movie. They still comprised about 30-40% of the GN boxcar roster in 1947, but they were being retired rapidly.

A couple of interesting (to me, anyway) observations about loads on the flat cars and gondolas. Several of the mill gons in the movie appear to be loaded with aluminum ingots, not surprising as cheap hydroelectric power available in the PNW caused many aluminum producing facilities to be located there in the postwar period. Also, several of the flats were loaded with large timbers, maybe even 12x12?

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


FW: ex-PRR class R7

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Oh. Sorry. The answer is right in the topic line. Sorry, long day and I
am in need of sleep.



Schuyler



From: Schuyler Larrabee



Is this car a clone of the PRR X(something), that has a similar appearance?
(Yeah, I know, no dashes in PRR classes . . .)



Schuyler



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:13 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] ex-PRR class R7





Too cool! While I can't read the reweigh date, it sure looks like it might
be 195?



Regards

Bruce Smith



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:35 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] ex-PRR class R7



Hi Bruce and List members,



How about this view of FGEX 46232 (ex-PRR class R7) in Palmetto, FL dated
March 1953 according to the seller.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311106834150



- Claus Schlund





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From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@auburn.edu [STMFC]
<mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu%20[STMFC]>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:17 AM

Subject: RE: [STMFC] GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC



Dave,



Neat video! Yes, a few R7 reefers survived at this "late" date for these
cars. We talked a bit about this on PRRPro a couple years back as well.
Most of them had been transferred to NX service, so it is doubly interesting
to see 2 in FGEX lettering circa mid 1941 (not quite WWII yet <G>)



Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Temporarily in Amsterdam


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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC



Gentlemen,

An interesting YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqpayZ2JqlU



Lots of steam era freight cars, including FGEX 45014 - an ex-PRR R7 with a
reweigh date of 3-41 at the 12:47 mark. Two are shown, only one's reporting
marks are visible. I thought the old R7's were gone by WWII - obviously I
was wrong.

Lots of other cars. Filmed entirely on GN property, makes a good case for
the N-G distribution model. Many of the cars are foreign, especially the box
cars. Lots of PRR X29's ;-)

Dave Evans

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