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GM&O 51000 series boxcars a 'structurally defective design'

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Sorry for a cross-post.

 

On the GM&O 51000 series boxcars, the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #19 comments that the GM&O considered these war emergency cars a 'structurally defective design' and allocated a number to LCL traffic to get the best use from them, for this purpose they got a couple of extra grab irons to the left of the door.

 

However, I believe the last was listed in the ORER in 1972, it seems they cannot have been too 'structurally defective'.  But RPCYC #19 also says they were rebuilt as the 22500 series cars in 1963.

 

I am not sure whether it was the rebuilt cars that lasted till 1972, or one in original condition.

 

I'm wondering if anyone can cast further light on GM&O's attitude to composite boxcars? Unlike IC they do not seem to have had many, so did they consider all composite cars 'structurally defective'?


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

Tottenham Hale,

England


Re: FYI, for those attending the 2014 Naperville RPM

Dave Nelson
 

I'm unable to attend the Naperville meet but I have a keen interest in one of the presentations -- Harold Krewer's "A Day on the D&I".  I would be very appreciative if someone could pick up an extra copy of any handouts an send them to me.  Address provided offline.

Thank you.

Dave Nelson


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:47 PM, "Brian Dick briankd56@... [STMFC]" wrote:




     The schedule for the presentations at the 2014 Naperville convention have been
 
posted for a few days now.   They are on the RPM prototype modelers website, just
 
bring up Naperville and scroll down to the presentations,  on down more for the
 
presenters and topics and further on down for the list of venders.        Brian Dick.
 





Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

tyesac@...
 

Am I reading that right, and IH & IW of 9' -0"?  A perfectly square interior?
 
Tom Casey
If you reread the previous messages of this inquiry, esp the one by Mike Schleigh on Tuesday, you will discover these cars were rebuilt with steel sides in the 30’s. It appears they were originally double sheathed wood cars, note the end braces. Hence the wood door, which looks to be to be original.
 
 
Doug Harding
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERIE 71XXX Series

 
If you reread the previous messages of this inquiry, esp the one by Mike Schleigh on Tuesday, you will discover these cars were rebuilt with steel sides in the 30’s. It appears they were originally double sheathed wood cars, note the end braces. Hence the wood door, which looks to be to be original.
 
 
Doug Harding
 


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

Douglas Harding
 

If you reread the previous messages of this inquiry, esp the one by Mike Schleigh on Tuesday, you will discover these cars were rebuilt with steel sides in the 30’s. It appears they were originally double sheathed wood cars, note the end braces. Hence the wood door, which looks to be to be original.

 

Compare to this photo http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie71497b.jpg

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

caboose9792@...
 

Given the car was used in MOW service by the carpenters, I suspect they replaced the door with one they built.
 
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 10/1/2014 8:24:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
Is it just me, or is that a steel car with a wood door? Kind of odd, but interesting.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

Riverboy
 

Is it just me, or is that a steel car with a wood door? Kind of odd, but interesting.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)
 
 


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:58 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" wrote:



ERIE 71XXX Series

Schuyler Larrabee
 


FYI, for those attending the 2014 Naperville RPM

brian k. dick
 

     The schedule for the presentations at the 2014 Naperville convention have been
 
posted for a few days now.   They are on the RPM prototype modelers website, just
 
bring up Naperville and scroll down to the presentations,  on down more for the
 
presenters and topics and further on down for the list of venders.        Brian Dick.
 


second series of Erie rebuilt box cars

ed_mines
 

72500 series


see Fallen Flags->  Erie (EL) -> MOW (scroll down) -> 01413


also steam era freight cars shot of the month June 2002


Ed Mines


Sold-Athearn ATSF 50 ft. ice bunker reefer

Thomas
 

The Athearn ATSF reefer has been sold.
Thanks
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...




FS-Athearn ATSF 50 ft. ice bunker reefer

Thomas
 


I have for sale a NIB Athearn 50 ft. ATSF ice bunker reefer.
Stock #94530 road number 37360. Photos available upon request.
Asking $20.00 plus shipping from zip 60564.
I accept Paypal and USPS money orders.

Please contact me Off-Group.
Thank you,
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...



Re: GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC

Rod Miller
 

On 9/30/14, 3:55 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
[snip]

Second, I think the creator of the model trains used to depict the train
wreck towards the end of the film clearly loved freight cars as I saw some
very nice models. He was one of us!


Bill welch
It took a double take on the first scene to conclude it was
a model. The scenery was well done and for me the lighting
gave it away. I suspect the models are O scale as many of
them reminded me of models in the Scale Craft catalog that
I dreamed with when a kid.
--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC

Bill Welch
 

A couple of comments. In one of the scenes there are two ex-PRR R7 FGE reefers, one of which has only one grab iron on the left end of the side. This was not uncommon on these particular cars and of the four models I am building of them, one has a single long grab iron. I cannot remember when the rule went into effect but it was well before the date of this film. While on the subject, I have several photos of Columbus & Greenville SS boxcars post WWII, one in 1957, and none of the cars in the photos have the second grab. A nice detail to keep in mind when modeling.

Second, I think the creator of the model trains used to depict the train wreck towards the end of the film clearly loved freight cars as I saw some very nice models. He was one of us!

Bill welch



third sale of Hendrickson kits

Tony Thompson
 

I am announcing today a sale of a third part of Richard Hendrickson's reserve of HO scale kits, Sunshine and several other manufacturers in this batch. Few if any of these are still available, so this is an opportunity for many of you. The list is attached below, for the third group of kits.
I will conduct the sale in the following way. Anyone wishing to buy kits should submit a bid directly to me, one and only one bid per kit, though of course you might wish to bid on more than one kit. [PLEASE remember to submit bids OFF the list, directly to me.] The highest bid for each kit will win.
The deadline for bids will be noon, Pacific time, on Monday, October 6. I will notify winning bidders promptly with payment instructions. If you do not hear from me by 3 PM Pacific time on October 6, 2014, you were not the successful bidder. I greatly prefer PayPal and will notify winners how to proceed on that; if PayPal is impossible for you, a check or money order is possible (include that information in your bid), and again, I will notify you how to submit it.
Minimum bid on each kit is $20, plus a nominal $5 for shipping for the first kit, $1.75 for each additional kit. All net revenue goes to Richard's widow Sandra. Kits remaining unsold on August 27 will go on eBay later. I will then take a break for a few weeks, but expect to have additional batches of kits thereafter.

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; e-mail: tony@...


List of kits, in order by kit number

Kit no. Description (per kit box)
_____________________________________________________
SUNSHINE
4.1 Frisco steel-side rebuilt USRA double-sheath box car
61.3 ATSF Ga-26 50-ft. composite gondola
61.4 ATSF Ga-44 50-ft. autoframe loader gondola
62.2 UTLX X-3 short 8000-gallon tank car
62.3 UTLX X-3 long 8000-gallon tank car
64.41 ATSF Bx-28/Bx-31 10’ IH USRA rebuilt box car, map/Super Chief
74.5 SFRD Rr-35, -36, -39, -40 reefer, map/El Capitan
80.3 MoP 90500 series single-sheath box car, wood doors, Dreadnaught ends

SYLVAN SCALE MODELS
HO-1051 CNR 1929 single-sheathed 40-ft. box car
HO-1073 CPR 1938, ’40, ’42 double-door auto box car
HO-1088 GTW 1935 rebuilt USRA box car, 460,000 series
HO-1094 GTW 1937 rebuilt auto box car, 587,000 series, 1939+ lettering

GREEN DOT MODELS, NEB&W
NGD-F013 Illinois Central single-sheathed box car
NGD-F018 B&LE PS-zero box car

FUNARO & CAMERLENGO
5130 CN 8-hatch reefer, Dreadnaught ends
8201 PRR X26 box car, Hutchins roof, Creco & spliced doors, one-piece body

YANKEE CLIPPER MODELS
CGW #1932.410 1932 ARA Std. box car, Murphy ends, reverse 3-panel door

STEAM SHACK
CN 503500 wood door box car

WESTERFIELD MODELS
1500 36-ft. Fowler box car, CN decals
2851 GN 50-ft. single-sheathed box car
3311 USRA single-sheathed box car, MEC decals
3855 USRA double-sheath box, modernized, GN
4601 Bx-11 box car, Santa Fe
5252 S-40-4 stock car, modernized, UP/OSL
5352 S-40-6 stock car, modernized, UP
5951 B-50-20 box car , UP, AB brakes
6463 40-ft. Fowler clone box car, modern, D&RGW, AB brakes
7601 Sk-2 stock car, Santa Fe
8201 36-ft. Milwaukee stock car, SD, drop floor
8602 SFRD USRA reefer, Class Rr-X, one-piece body
8851 Mopac stock car, modernized, 52000 series
11552 ATSF stock/dump car, Class Sk-L,N,P Caswell modernized,
25th anniversary super kit


Re: More Resin Kits for Sale!!!

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Kudzu jelly sandwiches for Fenton....


On Sep 30, 2014, at 2:08 PM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

And wait until you see what's for dinner...
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 30/09/2014 2:07 PM, O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
OK, I screwed up that should have gone off list....boy it's cold down here!

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:54 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Please send me your list.
Thanks 
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:43 PM, devlyn_kalinowski@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hello,


I have an all new list of resin kits for sale!!! Please contact me off group for a list


Thank you,


Devlyn Kalinowski




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Fw: More Resin Kits for Sale!!!

O Fenton Wells
 

Wowser!  it's cold down here but I hear we get dinner!

--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Roco M-47 tanks

eastwest40
 

Richard Towndsend.

Please contact me off list. I may have these.

Chuck Seemann    Aurora, Colorado    Chipeta70@...


Fw: More Resin Kits for Sale!!!

Armand Premo
 


Sorry 'bout that Mike.Impulsive reaction.. BTW Are those chains sanitized? Armand Premo

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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] More Resin Kits for Sale!!!

 



Please send a copy of your list of resin kits.Thank you.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] More Resin Kits for Sale!!!

 

Hello,


I have an all new list of resin kits for sale!!! Please contact me off group for a list


Thank you,


Devlyn Kalinowski

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Re: More Resin Kits for Sale!!!

Armand Premo
 


Please send a copy of your list of resin kits.Thank you.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:43 PM
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Hello,


I have an all new list of resin kits for sale!!! Please contact me off group for a list


Thank you,


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Re: Erie Boxcars 71xxx series

ed_mines
 

I think the series started with 70,000. There are good photos of the ends on the Fallen flags site (Erie-> box cars).


There is a second, similar series of cars with a different end (4 vertical braces?)  and different roof (roof on this second series is like the old AHM double sheathed, double door box).


If I'm not mistaken I wrote the referenced ELHS article.


I've seen many photos, most in MOW service taken by John LaRue. My recollection is you can barely see any side panels (see side shot on the Fallen flags site).


The original cars were single sheathed auto box cars. I've seen one good photo of an original car from the NMRA. Much of my information came from a photocopy of a page from the Erie employees magazine.


Ted located a drawing of the original double sheathed car; he sent me a copy which I misplaced.

65441 - 65460 of 193493