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Missouri Pacific Historical Society

asychis@...
 

I know most who have the ability to travel in October are probably going to Naperville, but the Missouri Pacific Historical Society has its annual meeting in Joplin, MO, on October 9-12, jointly with Frisco.org.  We've had our annual meeting on Columbus Day weekend for 33 years.
 
If you are in the vicinity and want to immerse yourself in MoPac (and in Frisco this year!), drop by and see us!
 
Jerry Michels


Re: GM&O 51000 series boxcars a 'structurally defective design'

Douglas Harding
 

To follow on Mike’s comments, I speculate that many of these cars were moved to hide service because they were no longer “tight” cars, ie no longer suitable for grain service or other weather sensitive loads. Wood cars, esp single sheathed cars, developed cracks and openings which might not be a concern for hides but which required extensive coopering for grain service.

 


SFRD Rr-29 36000-36300

Chuck Higdon
 

Hello, some questions about SFRD Rr-29 cars, 36000-36300.  It looks like on the Santa Fe site the cars were modernized and renumbered in 1955.  I would like to know if as built did the cars have wood roof walks or metal?  Did the hatches open to the ends or to the middle of the car.  Or should I ask were the hinges on the car end or the middle of the cars.  What sort of platform was around the hatch?


Thanks for your help with these issues.

Chuck Higdon


Re: GM&O 51000 series boxcars a 'structurally defective design'

Schleigh Mike
 

Regarding the GM&O 51000 series in general I have no comment.  However, regarding 51183, it was in hide service in March of 1963.  How long it had been in this service is unknown but cars could serve this need for years.  Other RRs such as the NKP and CNW used these war emergency boxcars in hide service perhaps suggesting them worthy of less respect than traditional cars.  The ATSF placed  all 65 of their 50-6 Bx-39 cars into hide service before these cars were ten years old.

Regards----Mike


On Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:52 AM, "benjaminscanlon@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Sorry for a cross-post.
 
On the GM&O 51000 series boxcars, the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #19 comments that the GM&O considered these war emergency cars a 'structurally defective design' and allocated a number to LCL traffic to get the best use from them, for this purpose they got a couple of extra grab irons to the left of the door.
 
However, I believe the last was listed in the ORER in 1972, it seems they cannot have been too 'structurally defective'.  But RPCYC #19 also says they were rebuilt as the 22500 series cars in 1963.
 
I am not sure whether it was the rebuilt cars that lasted till 1972, or one in original condition.
 
I'm wondering if anyone can cast further light on GM&O's attitude to composite boxcars? Unlike IC they do not seem to have had many, so did they consider all composite cars 'structurally defective'?

Regards,

Ben Scanlon
Tottenham Hale,
England



Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


There were several federal incentive programs in the 1930s designed to keep shop workers busy. These generally involved rebuilding. They often resulted in not quite modern cars with archaic parts. The Lehigh Valley undersized, wood sheathed box cars with Duryea underframes and Murphy ends are a good example of this. Due to the timing of the Erie rebuilds, they are likely another example of federal incentives.
 
The most active freight car sectors during the mid 1930s were cement, automobiles, and chemicals. Construction of new and rebuilt steel auto cars made many older composite auto cars surplus for other rebuilding programs (as in the case of about half the Erie rebuilds). Much of the demand for cement cars was filled by rebuilding surplus coal cars. Cars in chemical service were not easily rebuilt from other types, so most of these were new. They weren't exclusively tank cars though, with carbon black and phosphate cars being two examples.
 
Here's a summary of that portion of the Reading fleet.
 
Cement cars, rebuilt 1931-1937, then 1940+, first from USRA twins, then quads.
Auto cars, rebuilt from USRA box, 1935,1937; built new 1939. Unlike many other railroads including the Lehigh Valley, RDG didn't have a large fleet of composite auto cars.
 
Eric N.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERIE 71XXX Series

 

Todd, I'm just learning about these myself but I believe it was a wood car with sheet steel added to the sides and the original door left in place.
From what I am learning about the Southern it doesn't surprise me.  The railroads did strange things, by today's standards to squeeze a penny out of a dollar and there may have been some tax benefits involved as well.
Fenton

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Riverboy river_dweller_ohio@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Is it just me, or is that a steel car with a wood door? Kind of odd, but interesting.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)
 
 


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:58 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:





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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

O Fenton Wells
 

Todd, I'm just learning about these myself but I believe it was a wood car with sheet steel added to the sides and the original door left in place.
From what I am learning about the Southern it doesn't surprise me.  The railroads did strange things, by today's standards to squeeze a penny out of a dollar and there may have been some tax benefits involved as well.
Fenton

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Riverboy river_dweller_ohio@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Is it just me, or is that a steel car with a wood door? Kind of odd, but interesting.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)
 
 


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:58 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:





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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Since the built date on ERIE 71497 is legible (12-23), I thought I'd see where that led.

Ordered 1923: ERIE 94000-94999 single sheathed box, Pressed Steel and 95000-95999 single sheathed auto, Baltimore Car & Foundry.
 
7-34 ORER:
94000-94999 (822)
95000-95999 (564)
Length of both 42-5, slight difference in height.
 
Length shared by :
67025-67084 (60) stock, height matches 95000s (rebuilt 1931 per diagram)
67575-67699 (125) stock, height matches 95000s (rebuilt 1931 per diagram)
70000-70999 (164) box, height matches 94000s
84000-84239 (240) box, height matches 95000s
 
10-39 ORER:
67025-67084 (60)
67575-67699 (122)
70000-70999 (984) steel box
71000-71799 (567) steel box
84000-84239 (238)
94000s and 95000s gone
 
which should show the rebuilding programs for these cars. It looks like 3 to 5 of the rebuilt auto cars in the 71000-71799 series came via the 67575 and 84000 series.


GM&O 51000 series boxcars a 'structurally defective design'

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Sorry for a cross-post.

 

On the GM&O 51000 series boxcars, the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #19 comments that the GM&O considered these war emergency cars a 'structurally defective design' and allocated a number to LCL traffic to get the best use from them, for this purpose they got a couple of extra grab irons to the left of the door.

 

However, I believe the last was listed in the ORER in 1972, it seems they cannot have been too 'structurally defective'.  But RPCYC #19 also says they were rebuilt as the 22500 series cars in 1963.

 

I am not sure whether it was the rebuilt cars that lasted till 1972, or one in original condition.

 

I'm wondering if anyone can cast further light on GM&O's attitude to composite boxcars? Unlike IC they do not seem to have had many, so did they consider all composite cars 'structurally defective'?


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

Tottenham Hale,

England


Re: FYI, for those attending the 2014 Naperville RPM

Dave Nelson
 

I'm unable to attend the Naperville meet but I have a keen interest in one of the presentations -- Harold Krewer's "A Day on the D&I".  I would be very appreciative if someone could pick up an extra copy of any handouts an send them to me.  Address provided offline.

Thank you.

Dave Nelson


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:47 PM, "Brian Dick briankd56@... [STMFC]" wrote:




     The schedule for the presentations at the 2014 Naperville convention have been
 
posted for a few days now.   They are on the RPM prototype modelers website, just
 
bring up Naperville and scroll down to the presentations,  on down more for the
 
presenters and topics and further on down for the list of venders.        Brian Dick.
 





Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

tyesac@...
 

Am I reading that right, and IH & IW of 9' -0"?  A perfectly square interior?
 
Tom Casey
If you reread the previous messages of this inquiry, esp the one by Mike Schleigh on Tuesday, you will discover these cars were rebuilt with steel sides in the 30’s. It appears they were originally double sheathed wood cars, note the end braces. Hence the wood door, which looks to be to be original.
 
 
Doug Harding
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERIE 71XXX Series

 
If you reread the previous messages of this inquiry, esp the one by Mike Schleigh on Tuesday, you will discover these cars were rebuilt with steel sides in the 30’s. It appears they were originally double sheathed wood cars, note the end braces. Hence the wood door, which looks to be to be original.
 
 
Doug Harding
 


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

Douglas Harding
 

If you reread the previous messages of this inquiry, esp the one by Mike Schleigh on Tuesday, you will discover these cars were rebuilt with steel sides in the 30’s. It appears they were originally double sheathed wood cars, note the end braces. Hence the wood door, which looks to be to be original.

 

Compare to this photo http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie71497b.jpg

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

caboose9792@...
 

Given the car was used in MOW service by the carpenters, I suspect they replaced the door with one they built.
 
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 10/1/2014 8:24:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
Is it just me, or is that a steel car with a wood door? Kind of odd, but interesting.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)


Re: ERIE 71XXX Series

Riverboy
 

Is it just me, or is that a steel car with a wood door? Kind of odd, but interesting.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)
 
 


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:58 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" wrote:



ERIE 71XXX Series

Schuyler Larrabee
 


FYI, for those attending the 2014 Naperville RPM

brian k. dick
 

     The schedule for the presentations at the 2014 Naperville convention have been
 
posted for a few days now.   They are on the RPM prototype modelers website, just
 
bring up Naperville and scroll down to the presentations,  on down more for the
 
presenters and topics and further on down for the list of venders.        Brian Dick.
 


second series of Erie rebuilt box cars

ed_mines
 

72500 series


see Fallen Flags->  Erie (EL) -> MOW (scroll down) -> 01413


also steam era freight cars shot of the month June 2002


Ed Mines


Sold-Athearn ATSF 50 ft. ice bunker reefer

Thomas
 

The Athearn ATSF reefer has been sold.
Thanks
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...




FS-Athearn ATSF 50 ft. ice bunker reefer

Thomas
 


I have for sale a NIB Athearn 50 ft. ATSF ice bunker reefer.
Stock #94530 road number 37360. Photos available upon request.
Asking $20.00 plus shipping from zip 60564.
I accept Paypal and USPS money orders.

Please contact me Off-Group.
Thank you,
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...



Re: GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC

Rod Miller
 

On 9/30/14, 3:55 PM, fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com [STMFC] wrote:
[snip]

Second, I think the creator of the model trains used to depict the train
wreck towards the end of the film clearly loved freight cars as I saw some
very nice models. He was one of us!


Bill welch
It took a double take on the first scene to conclude it was
a model. The scenery was well done and for me the lighting
gave it away. I suspect the models are O scale as many of
them reminded me of models in the Scale Craft catalog that
I dreamed with when a kid.
--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
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Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: GN Safety Film - 1941 - 20+ minutes of STMFC

Bill Welch
 

A couple of comments. In one of the scenes there are two ex-PRR R7 FGE reefers, one of which has only one grab iron on the left end of the side. This was not uncommon on these particular cars and of the four models I am building of them, one has a single long grab iron. I cannot remember when the rule went into effect but it was well before the date of this film. While on the subject, I have several photos of Columbus & Greenville SS boxcars post WWII, one in 1957, and none of the cars in the photos have the second grab. A nice detail to keep in mind when modeling.

Second, I think the creator of the model trains used to depict the train wreck towards the end of the film clearly loved freight cars as I saw some very nice models. He was one of us!

Bill welch


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