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Re: Ventilated box cars

Bill Welch
 

No this is one of the 36-ft cars owned by the ACL, I built one of these years ago with many improvements. Recently I put it next to my Sunshine version and it still holds up well IMO. Today the only other improvement I would make is to cut the styrene bars out and use wire. Other RR vents were very different from these. CofG and SAL kits are available as well as Westerfield 40-footer.

Bill Welch


Re: RP Cyc index

genegreen1942@...
 

If I did everything correctly, the RP Cyc photo index was sent this morning to 15 individuals in comma separated format for Excel and similar software.  Those who requested a text file will receive theirs a little later today.  No one was intentionally left out but . . . 

Anyone who requested a copy in comma separated format and hasn't received their copy by late today should send an email to genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com.

Gene Green
Out in the Badlands of New Mexico



Re: C&O or NYC Well hole flat question

Seth Lakin
 


>I bought a brass C&O/NYC well hole flat in S scale awhile...it was missing the brake staffs and brakewheels. While making my own brake staffs is no problem, I am curious as to the diameter and type of brakewheels that were used on these. Can anyone supply any photos or info?
 
Bud, I can point you in the right direction, well maybe, at least its a lead you can run down. I have a HO Quality Craft Models wood craftsman kit. The prototype is a NYC lot 802-F that was originally built for the C&O and later sold to the NYC.
 
 
There are articles in the November 1976 Railroad Model Craftsman and possibly in the February 1989 Mainline Modeler. I am not sure is that is the correct model for what you have, but at least its a lead.
 
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: WofA war emergency box car

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I think the end is different, an extra 'rolling pin' pressing at the top as per the '1944' designs giving 5/5? Whereas the southern railroads war emergency car has the 4/5 ararngament of the 1937 AAR car. 


So far as I can see, at least for TT modelling purposes, the 10' IH war emergency car is essentially an AAR 1937 car with composite sides. Roof, ends, door all look to be the same.


Regards


Ben Scanlon




Re: Ventilated box cars

dahminator68
 

Hello Mr. Schneider: The Westerfield Kits that you mentioned are still available from Westerfield Models at westerfieldmodels.com.
Kits #7001 to 7006 are ACL ventilated boxcars , while Kits #6301-6302 are the FEC ventilated boxcar versions of the USRA SS box car.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...

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From: 'Alex Schneider' aschneiderjr@... [STMFC] ;
To: <STMFC@...>;
Subject: [STMFC] Ventilated box cars
Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 2:03:43 AM

 

This evening I received an ad from Con-Cor Trains for a variety of their products, including two “old time freight cars”. http://www.con-cor.com/HO-Old-Time-Freight-Cars.html One is a “cattle” (stock) car, about which no details are given.

 

The other car being offered is a ventilated box car which they indicate was styled after a 1923 ACL design. They are being offered lettered for ACL, ATSF, C&IM, FEC, PRR, SP and SCL. Also Durango and Silverton! The picture on their web site  does not visibly disagree with ACL #18414 as shown on p. 54 of  “The Postwar Freight Car Fleet”, but it is too small to support a close comparison. Another view is on p XIX of the January 1953 ORER reprint by the NMRA.

 

Apparently these cars were formerly offered as kits, tooled by the Lilliput company of Austria in the 1960s. How accurate were they in representing these cars?

 

Con Cor indicates these were similar to cars owned by Southern, Illinois Central, Maine Central and Boston & Maine, but Southern owned very few and the others, none, at least by 1953. The January 1953 ORER has a recap of ventilated refrigerator cars by road on pp. 717-720. The six owners were

 

Owner

36 feet and less

36’ 1” to 39’ 11”

40’ to 41’ 11”

50’ to 50’ 11”

Total

Percent

Number series (shorter group)

Number series (longer group)

ACL

1894

 

482

 

2376

38%

17000-18999

43735-44234

CofG

 

1104

348

 

1452

23%

55001-58500

(numbers mixed)

Charleston & Western Carolina

97

 

 

 

97

2%

1200-1305

 

L&N

 

37

 

 

37

1%

97100-99099

 

Seaboard

1707

580

 

 

2287

37%

28000-29249, 89000-89899

79000-79999

Southern

21

 

 

 

21

0%

120000-123252, 400530

 

Total

3719

1721

830

0

6249

100%

 

 

 

C of G #55362, Seaboard #79623, and L&N 98646 are illustrated on p. 56 and 57 of “The Postwar Freight Car Fleet”.

 

Apparently there was a USRA designed ventilated box car represented by Westerfield kits 7001 thru 7006, (ACL and FEC). The FEC cars were rebuilt as insulated boxcars but the ACL cars in the 43,000 series remained in service into the 1960s.

 

It seems odd that the 1923 ACL cars were significantly shorter than the USRA cars which preceded them.

 

Thanks.

 

Alex Schneider


Re: Impending HO Scale Cudahy meat reefers.

Douglas Harding
 

Remember there were two different meat packers with the name Cudahy.

 

Patrick Cudahy located in Cudahy WIS, used reefers provided by Northern Refrigerator Car Line. Northern was bought by Merchants Despatch Transportation (MDT) in 1928.

 

Cudahy Packing Co. got its start in Omaha with Armour and Plankinton. This company had 10 slaughter operations in South Omaha, Kansas City, Sioux City, Wichita, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Detroit, Jersey City, St Paul, and Los Angeles. In addition it had 78 branch houses. This is the Cudahy company that leased these cars. So it is safe to say these cars could be found anywhere in the country on just about any railroad as they served the slaughter houses and branch houses. In addition Cudahy Packing Co. also owned the Dutch Cleanser brand and had Dutch Cleanser plants in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Chicago (Calumet City).

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Ventilated box cars

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

This evening I received an ad from Con-Cor Trains for a variety of their products, including two “old time freight cars”. http://www.con-cor.com/HO-Old-Time-Freight-Cars.html One is a “cattle” (stock) car, about which no details are given.

 

The other car being offered is a ventilated box car which they indicate was styled after a 1923 ACL design. They are being offered lettered for ACL, ATSF, C&IM, FEC, PRR, SP and SCL. Also Durango and Silverton! The picture on their web site  does not visibly disagree with ACL #18414 as shown on p. 54 of  “The Postwar Freight Car Fleet”, but it is too small to support a close comparison. Another view is on p XIX of the January 1953 ORER reprint by the NMRA.

 

Apparently these cars were formerly offered as kits, tooled by the Lilliput company of Austria in the 1960s. How accurate were they in representing these cars?

 

Con Cor indicates these were similar to cars owned by Southern, Illinois Central, Maine Central and Boston & Maine, but Southern owned very few and the others, none, at least by 1953. The January 1953 ORER has a recap of ventilated refrigerator cars by road on pp. 717-720. The six owners were

 

Owner

36 feet and less

36’ 1” to 39’ 11”

40’ to 41’ 11”

50’ to 50’ 11”

Total

Percent

Number series (shorter group)

Number series (longer group)

ACL

1894

 

482

 

2376

38%

17000-18999

43735-44234

CofG

 

1104

348

 

1452

23%

55001-58500

(numbers mixed)

Charleston & Western Carolina

97

 

 

 

97

2%

1200-1305

 

L&N

 

37

 

 

37

1%

97100-99099

 

Seaboard

1707

580

 

 

2287

37%

28000-29249, 89000-89899

79000-79999

Southern

21

 

 

 

21

0%

120000-123252, 400530

 

Total

3719

1721

830

0

6249

100%

 

 

 

C of G #55362, Seaboard #79623, and L&N 98646 are illustrated on p. 56 and 57 of “The Postwar Freight Car Fleet”.

 

Apparently there was a USRA designed ventilated box car represented by Westerfield kits 7001 thru 7006, (ACL and FEC). The FEC cars were rebuilt as insulated boxcars but the ACL cars in the 43,000 series remained in service into the 1960s.

 

It seems odd that the 1923 ACL cars were significantly shorter than the USRA cars which preceded them.

 

Thanks.

 

Alex Schneider


Impending HO Scale Cudahy meat reefers.

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hello folks,


Word has been received from Atlas that the container with the custom run of Cudahy meat
reefers for New England Rail Service is expected any day now. Two photos of the sample car
were posted in the photo section under the title of "Cudahy Meat reefer-Atlas 001" and 002
several weeks ago to enable everyone to see what the finished cars wold look like. Once again,
the cars of this type, with the odd four hinges per side for the doors, were first constructed for
Cudahy in 1925 and some were used somewhat later by other packers as well. To date, however,
the cars have never been offered in the post billboard era paint for the years the majority of us
focus our modeling in. With Doug Harding's help in finding a proper photo from which to work
we will soon have the Cudahy cars in HO scale as they appeared from the late 1930's to their
demise in the early 1960's. Two road numbers are being offered at $44 each plus $6 shipping
for one car or $8 for two. Only 300 cars have been done and nearly one third have already been
sold. Thus if you have serious interest this is the time to order to be certain of having any. The
cars were most commonly seen from Iowa to the New England states but also frequented other
regions less often. If you have any questions please forward them too me OFF LIST.


Please order through New England Rail Service's Vermont address at 105 Depot St., #1298,
Stowe, VT 05672 for the quickest delivery. Shipments to Vermont addresses will require the
6% Vermont sales tax.


Cordially, Don Valentine, New England Rail Service, Inc.


Re: Dry Ice reefer

Aley, Jeff A
 

The photo has been approved.

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, STMFC

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 5:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Dry Ice reefer

 

 

Ken. Not a snafu. Photos have to be approved by moderators. They don't live online. 

Brian Carlson. 


On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:27 PM, kenrobbins39@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thanks, Tony. I thought that might be the case and you confirmed it!

As an aside, I'm unable to post a photo of the model in question for some reason. Yahoo keeps saying it's been uploaded but then nothing appears. Hope they get this latest snafu fixed soon.

 

Ken


Re: Post war 12 panel cars

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Clark, if you have C&BT kit number 010600, note that the door opening is 7', which matches neither the ATSF nor the RI cars (nor any other 12-panel riveted XM's with raised panel roofs on Ed's list).  Not an insoluable problem, but a complication.
If you have a kit with a door opening of 6', then you had much greater foresight than I!  :-)

Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA


Re: Dry Ice reefer

Brian Carlson
 

Ken. Not a snafu. Photos have to be approved by moderators. They don't live online. 
Brian Carlson. 


On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:27 PM, kenrobbins39@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thanks, Tony. I thought that might be the case and you confirmed it!

As an aside, I'm unable to post a photo of the model in question for some reason. Yahoo keeps saying it's been uploaded but then nothing appears. Hope they get this latest snafu fixed soon.


Ken


Re: Dry Ice reefer

Ken Robbins
 

Thanks, Tony. I thought that might be the case and you confirmed it!

As an aside, I'm unable to post a photo of the model in question for some reason. Yahoo keeps saying it's been uploaded but then nothing appears. Hope they get this latest snafu fixed soon.


Ken


Possibole GN box car - was CB&Q XM - 25,26

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks, Staffan

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:42 AM, 'Staffan Ehnbom' staffan.ehnbom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



The GN had more than 20000 of these 40' 40 ton truss rod box cars built by Haskell and Barker between 1901 and 1917. Most of them were rebuilt with steel underframes in the late 1920's. The largest series with wood ends and straps were the 3000-7999, 26000-27249, 32000-37154 and the 13000 series Eric mentioned.
 
The GN16015 is saved in good shape and on archbar trucks still at the Lake Whatcom, WA museum. The museum needs donations for its restoration.
 
Staffan Ehnbom
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 2:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Possibole GN box car - was CB&Q XM - 25,26

 

A candidate series would be GN 13000-17276 rebuilt out of older cars 1930 with steel underframes (but still with truss rods). There were 2273 in 7-1943, 1276 in 4-1948, 54 in 1-1953 and gone by 10-1955. there is a photo of #16052 from the Bob Charles Coll. on the NMRA site. Many details match.


http://archive.nmra.org/Photographs.aspx?c=118&i=23661&PageIndex=0


If anyone knows of other GN series rebuilt in an identical fashion with the end strap I would appreciate being pointed in the appropriate direction(s).


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL

elombard at uchicago.edu





Re: Dry Ice reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Robbins wrote:

I want to upgrade an old HO scale Dry Ice reefer with better wheels and couplers, but I'm at a loss as to what kind of roof hatches (if any) were used on these cars. I've added a picture of the car in the photos section labeled: Dry Ice. Anyone out there have any information on roof details?

      Ken, the dry ice cars I have good photos of (PFE and SFRD) do NOT have any roof hatches. You can understand this; the cargo refrigerated itself.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Tender as freight car

Charlie Vlk
 

The drawbar is usually unsprung on either end and tenders were routinely equipped with a coupler on the “locomotive” end for use in work train service or as auxiliary water cars.   Some were used for transport of diesel fuel and other oils.

Without any springing they would be probably be restricted as mentioned.

Charlie Vlk

Ok, not exactly, but Al, who has been helping me transcribe the conductor books, has noted several instances where a steam locomotive tender was placed ahead of the caboose in a train.

Since tenders have drawbar connections to the locomotive, does someone know how easily the drawbar can be replaced with a coupler? Seems it must be fairly simple. It just surprised me when I heard of it.

Confirmation, anyone?

Dave Bott


Dry Ice reefer

Ken Robbins
 

I want to upgrade an old HO scale Dry Ice reefer with better wheels and couplers, but I'm at a loss as to what kind of roof hatches (if any) were used on these cars. I've added a picture of the car in the photos section labeled: Dry Ice.

Anyone out there have any information on roof details?

Thanks,

Ken Robbins

Hancock, NH


RP Cyc index

genegreen1942@...
 

I received an inquiry about the RP Cyc index.  Perhaps a few others might be interested in what I told that individual.


No, the index is not on line anywhere.  I lack sufficient knowledge and sophisticated-enough software to undertake that.  The index is in a relational database using an old Ashton-Tate product for the 1980s.  I send the index to individuals either as a simple text file or as a comma-separated file.

The file has the following columns:
CYC number
Page
Railroad initials
Car number
Number series (to the extent such was listed in the CYC)
Date Built (to the extent such was listed in the CYC)
Finally a descriptive column giving the view (end, 3/4, side), class, hand brake if known, car name or other note.

If sent as a text file I sort by whichever column(s) the recipient desires.
The comma-separated file can be imported into MS Excel and the Open Office equivalent.

The index includes all RP Cycs up to and including #26 except #22.  Why I skipped #22, I can not say.  The index includes 2939 records at present.

I will send to all interested parties.

Gene Green

Out in the Badlands of New Mexico



Re: Tender as freight car

Charles Peck
 

I'm not very familiar with other roads but I can say the L&N RR made much use of tenders with couplers added to the drawbar end.
They could be found in MOW service, converted into braking sleds, many uses.  An ex-L&N tender served for a while as a 
water canteen behind SRR 4501.  Evidently it was not terribly complex to add the coupler.
Chuck Peck
Gainesville FL

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, David bott dbott@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Ok, not exactly, but Al, who has been helping me transcribe the conductor books, has noted several instances where a steam locomotive tender was placed ahead of the caboose in a train.

Since tenders have drawbar connections to the locomotive, does someone know how easily the drawbar can be replaced with a coupler? Seems it must be fairly simple. It just surprised me when I heard of it.

Confirmation, anyone?

Dave Bott



Tender as freight car

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Ok, not exactly, but Al, who has been helping me transcribe the conductor books, has noted several instances where a steam locomotive tender was placed ahead of the caboose in a train.

Since tenders have drawbar connections to the locomotive, does someone know how easily the drawbar can be replaced with a coupler? Seems it must be fairly simple. It just surprised me when I heard of it.

Confirmation, anyone?

Dave Bott


Weathering Video

Bill Welch
 

I kid myself saying I am actually going to build my 1/48 Tamiya Corsair and have been following this series on building their 1/32 and took note of what Paul is doing with oils here: Tamiya 1/32 Vought F4U-1 Corsair Birdcage # 60324 Part 13 - Plastic Model Kits, Paints, Pigments, Tools and Glues - Hobby Supplies from eModels

 Bill Welch

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