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M.D.C. Triple Hopper
vincent altiere
To the Group: I have discovered a long-buried kit of a Roundhouse straight side,triple hopper,with 9 panels between the ribs in the boxes under my layout. Can anyone tell me if it is accurate for any specific prototype? Except for the lack of underbody and end detail (and cast on hand grabs) it looks decent, although obviously not up to today's standards. Vince Altiere
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Re: SOO line help
Dennis Storzek
---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote : Brad Andonian asked: "Would the Soo USRA boxcar have the same paint regimen?" Soo "USRA boxcar"? No such animal, either SS or DS. Ben Hom The Soo never owned any USRA boxcars, but they did lease a bunch of junk boxcars during the fifties that appear to be steel rebuilds of USRA cars and other similar cars. These were a real mixed bag; some cars were double door cars with the auxiliary door permanently shut, some cars had Hutchins ends, lots of variation. Number series was 450-1448 (even), and while I don't have any details of the lease, most show re-weigh dates from 1954 and 1955. Interestingly, these cars all had full repaints, complete with the then current first version of the four foot tall "boxcar block" lettering. Dennis
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Riverboy
This looks like someone's email account got hacked. I didn't click the link but it looks suspicious. Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:16 PM, "Scaler164@... [STMFC]" wrote: My friend i sent it to you;) http://lkok.org/ufehy/www.facebook.com.11.php?ewjmydjmj
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My friend i sent it to you;) http://lkok.org/ufehy/www.facebook.com.11.php?ewjmydjmj
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Re: SOO line help
Benjamin Hom
Brad Andonian asked:
"Would the Soo USRA boxcar have the same paint regimen?" Soo "USRA boxcar"? No such animal, either SS or DS. Ben Hom
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Re: SOO line help
Brad Andonian
From: destorzek@... [STMFC] ; To: ; Subject: [STMFC] Re: SOO line help Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 6:09:47 PM
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Re: Ventilated box cars
palmettoltd82
Alex asked: ".....How accurate were they in representing these cars?" While based on the ACL O-17 (originally O-13) ventilated boxcar there are some issues: 1) the tooling is obviously dated and very coarse by todays standards - the siding represented on the car has a "picket fence" look - the spacing between individual boards is exaggerated and the bottom of the boards are rounded reminding one of closely spaced tongue depressors. 2) Each of the ventilators on the end have eight louvers while the prototype were equipped with ventilators having either four louvers (early style) or three louvers (Wine Ventilators). The model was once offered by AHM and a quick web search for "AHM" and "Watermelon Car" results in several close up photos of the model showing the deficiencies referenced above. Definitely a 3-foot rule model. Can it be improved - sure, but if you do not intend to model a fleet ACL house cars and only need one O-17 vent to add to your roster of foreign road cars, the Sunshine kit is (sadly was) the better option. Alex commented: "It seems odd that the 1923 ACL cars were significantly shorter than the USRA cars which preceded them."
Short answer: Unfortunate timing of events - about time the construction of ACL O-13 (O-17) ventilated boxcars was to commence - WWI began, the USRA took control, and war time material shortages impacted industry. During the immediate postwar period shop forces were busy scrapping and/or repairing worn out equipment. Add a post war depression and a 1922 national labor strike as unions fought the railroads attempts to rein in war-inflated labor costs. Hence the delay and the 1923 construction date for a pre-war design. During the war the ACL was assigned Class O-14 USRA DS box cars and during the immediate postwar period ordered ventilated clones of the USRA DS boxcar (Class O-15) and SS Boxcars (O-16) from outside vendors. The 1923 ventilated cars were initially classed O-13 (pre-war plans) but were quickly re-classed O-17 to reflect the actual delivery sequence in relation to the O-14, O-15, and O-16 classes. Interestingly, subsidiary C&WC kept the O-13 classification for its ventilated boxcars of the same design despite having received a wartime allotment of O-14 USRA DS boxcars. Sorry for the novel, but hope it helps. Buddy Hill Ravenel, SC
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Re: Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
Schuyler Larrabee
Thanks, Dave, that is a lot of work, and I imagine we all appreciate it.
I am curious about what the images numbered 157854487 and the next one are showing? There’s a story there that I don’t understand . . .
Many models there that make me want to cancel my other activities for the next month or so. Maybe they won’t miss me at work . . .
Schuyler
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:13 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
I have finally gotten my photos edited and identified from this years Naperville/Lisle RPM meet last weekend.
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Re: SOO line help
Dennis Storzek
Further... the original paint would have been freightcar red with black ends, lettering would have been the "$" herald with car color background; the billboard SOO LINE wasn't introduced until 1951.
Dennis
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Re: SOO line help
Dennis Storzek
---In STMFC@..., <dlsweeney@...> wrote : "Clark, the January 1958 ORER shows SOO 44500-45098 (even numbers) and SOO 45100-45498 (even numbers) with same dimensions: 40' 6" IL, 9' 2" IW, 10' 6" IH, 3898 cu ft, 50-ton capy. Quantities listed in that issue are 294 and 200, respectively. Have not found info re builder or built date. Dan Sweeney, Jr." The Soo Line equipment diagrams show: 44500-45098 built by Soo Line at Fond du Lac in 1948 45100-45498 built by Soo Line at Fond du Lac in 1950 The first group had wood floors, the second nailable steel floors. Trucks for both lots are either A-3 Ride Control or barber S-2-B with no break-down as to which cars got which trucks, and hand brakes are listed as "various". Both groups were built with tabbed side sills. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
Robert kirkham
Does that include the Hart cars. They are gorgeous . . . .
Rob Kirkham
From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:19 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Naperville RPM 2014 Photos The batch of Canadian cars and electric motors are by Roger Chrysler. He scratchbuilt the Grand River Railway #230 Tim O'Connor I have finally gotten my photos edited and identified from this years Naperville/Lisle RPM meet last weekend.
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Re: SOO line help
Dan Sweeney Jr
Clark, the January 1958 ORER shows SOO 44500-45098 (even numbers) and SOO 45100-45498 (even numbers) with same dimensions: 40' 6" IL, 9' 2" IW, 10' 6" IH, 3898 cu ft, 50-ton capy. Quantities listed in that issue are 294 and 200, respectively. Have not found info re builder or built date.
Dan Sweeney, Jr. Alexandria, VA
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Re: Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
The batch of Canadian cars and electric motors are by Roger Chrysler. He scratchbuilt the Grand River Railway #230 Tim O'Connor
I have finally gotten my photos edited and identified from this years Naperville/Lisle RPM meet last weekend.
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Re: Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
paul.doggett2472@...
I agree with Fenton excellent modeling Paul Doggett UK
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Re: Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
Fantastic models, thanks for sharing.
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Naperville RPM 2014 Photos
dh30973
I have finally gotten my photos edited and identified from this years Naperville/Lisle RPM meet last weekend.
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Re: Post war 12 panel cars
Clark, Southwest Scale and Sylvan make very nice 6 ft doors. Fenton Wells 5 Newberry Lane
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SOO line help
Clark Propst
Last weekend I impulse bought a set of Micro Scale SOO Line box car decals
thinking I’d model a car I photographed in the old Milwaukee yard here some time
back. Returning home I found the photos. They are snapshots of cars in MoW
service numbered one was numbered 858 and another 44 and the other three digits
look like 8s. Like I said, the photos are snap shots so the aren’t the
sharpest...Like the photographer. A third snapshot, car number 45408, is still
in train service paint. That car has a a full length sill between the bolsters,
the other two cars have tabs. All three cars have R/3/4 or 4/3/R ‘rolling pin’
style ends and 6’ Youngstown doors. I took an end shot of one of the cars
because it had a Superior hand wheel.
Lately I’ve crying Wolf only to find the info I needed shortly after
hitting the send key. These cars has me stumped.
Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Post war 12 panel cars
Clark Propst
Like Gene said. Sometimes I worry about me. I never looked at the door
opening, but it is 6’...or at least a 6’ door covers the hole. I have a pair of
Ted’s Youngstown doors with the wide ‘outties’ between panels, but they’re
for a 10’ IH car. Should be a challenge to rework them. If I fail I can use
Superior doors on the RI car...Or make it ATSF, I have decals on hand for
them.
Thanks for pointing out the door opening Dan. I used a C&BT body to
make a CNJ car that did have a 7’ door, so I took a look immediately
: ))
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Ventilated box cars
Bill Welch
No this is one of the 36-ft cars owned by the ACL, I built one of these years ago with many improvements. Recently I put it next to my Sunshine version and it still holds up well IMO. Today the only other improvement I would make is to cut the styrene bars out and use wire. Other RR vents were very different from these. CofG and SAL kits are available as well as Westerfield 40-footer.
Bill Welch
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